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East Blue to Skypiea revisions.

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Stefano4444 said:
Personally, we should simply had the characters at High 7-C by scaling from the Reject Dial.
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Or at the very least Enel and Luffy, since Enel's durability definitely scale to the Reject Dial.

His body was still capable to took the blast without be tear a part and Enel was still somewhat conscious despire having his heart stop.

And Luffy could easily harm him, so he scale too, and Enel's AP as well since he could too harm Luffy with his physical attacks.

Zoro and Sanji would still ended up at High 7-C at Enies Lobby, due of be stronger than Blueno, who scale above Water 7 Luffy.

And that would make Franky High 7-C too since he was able to briefly overpower Blueno.
 
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Can somebody explain the arguments here in an easy to understand manner please?
 
Damage3245 said:
Hey Tempest. Did you finish the sandbox for this?
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Pretty much.

I'm working on a separate sandbox for CP9's ratings though, just to elaborate on their justifications since they have many more feats.

The only issues that might be in this sandbox is the tiers, which can be changed, but the scaling is the main thing.
 
Anyway, have we reach any conclusion here?

8-A for East Blue Saga Tiers and 7-C for Alabasta Saga Tiers have been accepted, the only thing left its with High 7-C for Skypiea Saga Tiers.

For what i can see, we can simply put High 7-C at only Enel and Luffy while everyone get ranked at At least 7-C.

In this way we don't get any contradiction within the scaling, as Zoro and Sanji back in Alabasta were already physically stronger than Pell in anycase.

After that Zoro and Sanji can ended up at At least High 7-C in Enies Lobby, via scaling above Blueno who was a bit stronger than Water Seven Luffy.
 
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Stefano4444 said:
Anyway, have we reach any conclusion here?

8-A for East Blue Saga Tiers and 7-C for Alabasta Saga Tiers have been accepted, the only thing left its with High 7-C for Skypiea Saga Tiers.

For what i can see, we can simply put High 7-C at only Enel and Luffy while everyone its tier at At least 7-C.

In this way we don't get any contradiction within the scaling, as Zoro and Sanji back in Alabasta were already physically stronger than Pell in anycase.

After that Zoro and Sanji can ended up at At least High 7-C in Enies Lobby, via scaling above Blueno who was a bit stronger than Water Seven Luffy.
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That could work.

I'll go through the rest of the sandbox soonish.
 
Stefano4444 said:
For what i can see, we can simply put High 7-C at only Enel and Luffy while everyone its tier at At least 7-C.
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We already have an alternate method, and this is unwise (not coming at you) since Zoro and Wyper can keep up with Enel.

I've already brought another method, Nami with armor was hurt by the Impact Dial yet she blocked hits from Zala. Reject is 10x, making those who scale 235 Kilotons.
  • The lower High 7-C's like Wyper and Skypiea Zoro are scaled to 10x the previous value (235 Kilotons)
  • The higher High 7-C's like Luffy and Enel are scaled to Enel's calc (243 Kilotons)
It's close so Zoro and Wyper don't need to scale to Enel's calc, but it's not too far off from where they get one shotted
 
Kicked away a bolt of Lightning from Deathpiea, which Enel said would produce lightning bolts stronger than what he could muster.
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When did he make that statement?
 
Damage3245 said:
When did he make that statement?
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Ark Maxim lightning clouds that are infused with his energy, and the clouds amp his electricity to do stronger techniques.

Justified by how he charged his Ark Maxim with his 200 mil volt Vari, his strongest Vari
 
Yes, I could buy the total power of his thunder clouds / Deathpiea is stronger than anything Enel could do on his own but I don't see how that makes any individual lightning bolt from Deathpeia to be greater than Enel's own maximum attack potency.
 
I'll definitely spend some more time on this once I've finished some stuff for the Post-Timeskip thread but after a quick glance in the first sandbox, I saw that beginning of series Luffy's durability justification is: "Took hits from Buggy, Kuro and Arlong. Also fought Zoro"

And the justifications for Buggy, Kuro and Arlong's ratings are all "They fought / hurt Luffy".
 
Okay, so focusing on the root of a lot of the scaling for Pre-Timeskip in the sandbox, Usopp's justification:

> Durability: Multi-City Block level (Can withstood an explosion from Mr. 4 at close range, which are this powerful. Withstood a blow from Mr. 4 and remain conscious)

The main issue is that the explosion that is calced is not the explosion that Usopp survived which is this feat here.

The size of the explosions varies drastically from the largest which has been calced at 250 meters across to the one Usopp was actually hit by which is a dozen meters across. There are many others; some in between those two values but mostly on the lower end of the scale and it proves to me at least that the explosive baseballs that Lassoo produces are not all the same.

There is no statement or supporting evidence I can find that the explosions are all supposed to have the same potency despite their obvious variations in size, so it would be too much of a highball to automatically scale Usopp to the biggest explosion seen from Lassoo when the more reasonable alternative is to scale Usopp to the specific explosion that he withstood.

The same issue would apply to Miss Drophy / Miss Merry Christmas who is likewise scaled to the highest end of the explosion when her justification mentions her withstanding a different explosion.

EDIT: Since I don't think we really want to be touching Pre-Timeskip stuff for a while after this thread is done, I'm focusing on the core issues as I see them so we can get them out of the way.

EDIT2: I likely won't be available the rest of today. Coming back to this tomorrow.
 
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The fact that they're all given 1 known height "as heavy as cannonballs", not stated to have a different yield, shown to have the same size baseball, and more pretty much implies that it's the same exact yield.

Plus, that's the only baseball that exploded on the ground, vs all the ones that exploded in the air.
 
Damage3245 said:
Okay, so focusing on the root of a lot of the scaling for Pre-Timeskip in the sandbox, Usopp's justification:

> Durability: Multi-City Block level (Can withstood an explosion from Mr. 4 at close range, which are this powerful. Withstood a blow from Mr. 4 and remain conscious)

The main issue is that the explosion that is calced is not the explosion that Usopp survived which is this feat here.

The size of the explosions varies drastically from the largest which has been calced at 250 meters across to the one Usopp was actually hit by which is a dozen meters across. There are many others; some in between those two values but mostly on the lower end of the scale and it proves to me at least that the explosive baseballs that Lassoo produces are not all the same.

There is no statement or supporting evidence I can find that the explosions are all supposed to have the same potency despite their obvious variations in size, so it would be too much of a highball to automatically scale Usopp to the biggest explosion seen from Lassoo when the more reasonable alternative is to scale Usopp to the specific explosion that he withstood.

The same issue would apply to Miss Drophy / Miss Merry Christmas who is likewise scaled to the highest end of the explosion when her justification mentions her withstanding a different explosion.

EDIT: Since I don't think we really want to be touching Pre-Timeskip stuff for a while after this thread is done, I'm focusing on the core issues as I see them so we can get them out of the way.

EDIT2: I likely won't be available the rest of today. Coming back to this tomorrow.
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Ok no, I'm actually rereading One Piece, and I just read that fight last night conveniently, and there is never a statement about them being different in power
 
DemonGodMitchAubin said:
Ok no, I'm actually rereading One Piece, and I just read that fight last night conveniently, and there is never a statement about them being different in power
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I didn't say there was a statement of being different in power. My point is that there is no supporting evidence of them having the same potency.

We are finding the energy of the explosions from their size, but the numerous explosions we see from Lassoo's explosive baseballs vary in size quite a lot. We can prove this.

It is too much of a highball to say every one of them must be equal to the most power / biggest explosion shown; even if we assumed they all had to be the same it would be reasonable to calculate an average value out of the explosions shown; or better to simply scale Usopp to the specific explosion he survived as that is his actual feat.
 
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