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MCU Phase 4 General Discussion Thread

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TBH I'm unsure whether we should use What If? to scale the Mainline MCU. We clearly see there's different power levels being operated under here for some of the characters, their personalities are fairly distinct and we see that certain issues just aren't there (Wanda seemingly being a glass cannon)
Considering what we saw with the Hank Pym Episode and the zombie one it's very much an option for all these Pym particle users to kill thier enemies from the inside but we're currently debating whether to use what if to scale to mainline profiles
this is fair, personally I think the intent is that these are branches of the mcu so they should scale as long as they dont contradict anything from the movies, however we could make a yellowjacket hank pym profile in the meantime 👀
 
this is fair, personally I think the intent is that these are branches of the mcu so they should scale as long as they dont contradict anything from the movies, however we could make a yellowjacket hank pym profile in the meantime 👀
I can see maybe some of the main feats being considered up until the divergence but not the other way around
We'd need to iron that out tho (Like does What If? Proxima scale to the feats she has not accomplished yet for several years?)
 
This about sums up my reaction reading through the thread this morning.


Considering that version of Spider-Man is going to be in the Into the Spider-Verse sequel, I suspect the chances of getting some sort of remake or other project will go up significantly.
Lol I heard about that
this is fair, personally I think the intent is that these are branches of the mcu so they should scale as long as they dont contradict anything from the movies, however we could make a yellowjacket hank pym profile in the meantime 👀
I feel the same if there aren't any drastic differences because these realities still all branch from our main timeline just infinitely but for some stuff like the zombie episode it's a no go on scaling
 
I can see maybe some of the main feats being considered up until the divergence but not the other way around
We'd need to iron that out tho (Like does What If? Proxima scale to the feats she has not accomplished yet for several years?)
Bruh the proxima stuff was so stupid she suddenly could stab Thanos with her weapon and was suddenly skilled enough to take him on with cull
 
It was but still there's tons of that throughout the series
Trust me I know I feel like anything like that can be discarded unless there is a consensus that something should be applicable to the mainline counterparts and still that's something that should be discussed
 
Bruh the proxima stuff was so stupid she suddenly could stab Thanos with her weapon and was suddenly skilled enough to take him on with cull
Believe it or not, this actually has some evidence (not particularly great evidence mind you) to support it in the form of MCU top trumps. Proxima’s card description says she is the most skilled/powerful (can’t remember the actual wording) member of Thanos’ army ….. which does include Thanos so 🤷‍♂️
 
Believe it or not, this actually has some evidence (not particularly great evidence mind you) to support it in the form of MCU top trumps. Proxima’s card description says she is the most skilled/powerful (can’t remember the actual wording) member of Thanos’ army ….. which does include Thanos so 🤷‍♂️
I’m gonna have to see that description because last time I remember she got her ass kicked by some street tiers
 
Go rewatch the fight. She fended off both Cap and Widow and got hit all of twice. Both by sneak attacks. And not from two of the most skilled people on the planet. She handled their asses just fine. She retreated cuz Corvus was bitch made and got negged instantly by Widow.

Edit: For more proof of Proxima being a badass when it comes to skill, she was bullying Okoye and Widow, Okoye and 2 of the body guard chicks being able to beat Killmonger (> Cap in skill) with pure skill, and Widow instantly slapped Corvus even though Cap could sneak attack him and still get bodied by an unarmed Corvus.
 
Go rewatch the fight. She fended off both Cap and Widow and got hit all of twice. Both by sneak attacks. And not from two of the most skilled people on the planet. She handled their asses just fine. She retreated cuz Corvus was bitch made and got negged instantly by Widow.

Edit: For more proof of Proxima being a badass when it comes to skill, she was bullying Okoye and Widow, Okoye and 2 of the body guard chicks being able to beat Killmonger (> Cap in skill) with pure skill, and Widow instantly slapped Corvus even though Cap could sneak attack him and still get bodied by an unarmed Corvus.
Ok fair enough, she still doesn’t have the feats to back up her showing agianst thanos
 
I mean that could simply be referring to skill; it's certainly weird for her to be above Corvus in might when their opponents give you the exact opposite impression
In all seriousness, it most likely does refer to skill since Cull exists and people would be mad she is stronger/don’t get the impression she is strong. That said, her opponents don’t actually give her much, if any, difficulty. Cap struggles to hold her off when she tries to stab Widow, and Widow and Okoye both just get tossed around and beaten into the ground even when they block her attacks. Corvus only fights an injured Vision who struggles to walk, gets tackled and boxed a bit by Cap with no damage and then bullies him into submission.

Nothing stops her from being > Corvus and given her spear can harm him, she no diffs his ass even worse than Widow and Okoye did.
 
Yeah no she got absolutely flung by Thanos even in the what if's while cull put more of a fight but was overpowered by thanos's superior strength
When did she get flung by Thanos? In the Cull and Proxima fight, he doesn’t do anything to her besides catch her spear once and she goes to pound town on him.

Their only other interaction between them that I recall is when Proxima negs all of the Ravagers with her AOE electrocution and puts them in a cell.
 
When did she get flung by Thanos? In the Cull and Proxima fight, he doesn’t do anything to her besides catch her spear once and she goes to pound town on him.

Their only other interaction between them that I recall is when Proxima negs all of the Ravagers with her AOE electrocution and puts them in a cell.
Okay yeah I needed to watch that back I thought he threw her at some point but still she get's a sneak attack on Thanos with her weapon and then he just gets jumped from both sides so I wouldn't say that it was "just" her that went to pound town on him
 
I was under the impressions that she took on BW and Okoye, and edged out against them, until SW just destroyed her.
 
Edged out

Oh the humanity. Such downplay on my girl Proxima.

She 1v2s them, taking a single kick to the abdomen from Widow in the entire fight, knees Widow in the face, grabs Okoye by the throat and tosses her away, gets her sword disarmed by Widow (who split her bo staff into kali sticks), givers her the hands, is bout to kill her with the arm blade and finally get tossed up by Wanda where she dies to the convenient kaiju beyblade.
Okay yeah I needed to watch that back I thought he threw her at some point but still she get's a sneak attack on Thanos with her weapon and then he just gets jumped from both sides so I wouldn't say that it was "just" her that went to pound town on him
Not just her but she dropped a whole combo on him before he caught the spear plus her kicks were affecting Thanos as much as her spear strikes. Cull’s strikes are weird tbh. Thanos seems to be able to just catch/block them no diff and even when they hit, he is slightly staggered by them while every hit from Proxima seems to stun him for a hot second and cause him considerably more pain. Reason this is weird is Nebula down Proxima with a few shots while Cull just ranks them despite his physical blows (and thus his actual stats) being < Proxima’s.
 
Ngl, this episode was kinda meh imho, decent enough to watch but not exactly out there.
I assume Killmonger will be the one recruited from this timeline?
 
Ngl, this episode was kinda meh imho, decent enough to watch but not exactly out there.
I assume Killmonger will be the one recruited from this timeline?
Either him or Shuri. Maybe being chosen will cause him to developp a more sympathic side of his personnality since he wants to fight against oppressors and an Ultron possessing all the Stones and trying to take over the Multiverse would be...a pretty big oppressor to say the least
 
Just watched the What If episode and gotta say this one was kind of boring all things considered, especially compared to the last two which are the most entertaining imo.

Also Stark literally just assumed Killmonger wouldn't be able to reach the spear/disable the drone and didn't have any backup plan lol
 
I’m talking about her constantly not Portrayed as above thanos lvl(and even getting straight up over powered by him) and probably absorbing energy from the gauntlet
I'd disagree to that notion I remember she was rated like that once before but I didn't agree to that what shows her constantly being portrayed as below thanks she only had the one battle where she traded blows with him and overpowered him other than that she did the same to the Thanos at the beginning of endgame albeit he was heavily injured then
 
I'd disagree to that notion I remember she was rated like that once before but I didn't agree to that what shows her constantly being portrayed as below thanks she only had the one battle where she traded blows with him and overpowered him other than that she did the same to the Thanos at the beginning of endgame albeit he was heavily injured then
She overpowered him near the end after she grabbed the gauntlet(and probably siphoned of some of it’s power) other then that in the fight he tanked her blows and only punched her with the power stone. um no she didn’t, he tanked her blasts and bulrush and was quickly overpowering her with his damaged arm

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