A Little Magi Discussion

[Lormac_CC]

This is more of a discussion. I checked past Magi revision and this scan was never brought up.

Magi Possibly Higher

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[Bernkastelll]

If the translation is correct and all, I agree with it, but not sure if its enough to 1-A tho, maybe Low 1-A

 

[PrinceofPein]

Disagree

 

[Bernkastelll]

Disagree

Give reasonings pls

 

[PrinceofPein]

Give reasonings pls

So out of context, i have read the entire Manga and yes nothing states that they will exist outside the Hierachy later on like literally nothing. and this statement "We will break dimensions, crush the Gods, and see the very end of 'Fate' that spreads out beyond infinite battles!! " is just simply David saying they will reach the top of the Hierachy with the palace and that is where their potential 1-B key comes from

 

[PrinceofPein]

This is more of a discussion. I checked past Magi revision and this scan was never brought up.

Magi Possibly Higher

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And this should be moved to the discusiion thread not content revision

 

[Lormac_CC]

So out of context

I don't see how it is out of context

yes nothing states that they will exist outside the Hierachy later on like literally nothing

Sinbad's destiny was to destroy this destiny which affects the entire High 1-B Structure

is just simply David saying they will reach the top of the Hierachy with the palace and that is where their potential 1-B key comes from

David is saying destiny extends beyond the the Infinite gods and the Hierarchy, destiny also has an end which is beyond the Infinite gods and their hierarchy

 

[PrinceofPein]

I don't see how it is out of context

Sinbad's destiny was to destroy this destiny which affects the entire High 1-B Structure

David is saying destiny extends beyond the the Infinite gods and the Hierarchy, destiny also has an end which is beyond the Infinite gods and their hierarchy

David never said this and again this is taking stuffs out of context and giving meaning to words and statements that dont mean what was said.

In this context it ssimply means trhey will reach the very top of the hierachy when they are in control of the palace

 

[Lormac_CC]

David never said this and again this is taking stuffs out of context and giving meaning to words and statements that dont mean what was said.

In this context it ssimply means trhey will reach the very top of the hierachy when they are in control of the palace

I am not taking things out of context neither am I giving meaning to things, This is what David said "We will break dimensions, crush the Gods, and see the very end of 'Fate' that spreads out beyond infinite battles!!.
Infinite battle = infinite gods/Dimensions
Fate has an end which is beyond the Infinite gods.

Now you are saying it means they would reach the top, but that Hierarchy doesn't have a peak in the first place, which is why gods keep giving destiny to each other

 

[Megaraptor149]

I think David's statement that goes beyond "infinite battle = infinite dimensions" has many context in meaning or it could be some kind of flowery word

 

[Delta333]

Neutral but leaning toward agree with possibly low 1-A

 

[Megaraptor149]

That's still too much vague, you still need many supporting scans not just stick to one scan to prove David's words.

But, given that possibly Low 1-A it's fine

 

[Lormac_CC]

That's still too much vague, you still need many supporting scans not just stick to one scan to prove David's words.

But, given that possibly Low 1-A it's fine

Possibly was what I went for

 

[PrinceofPein]

I am not taking things out of context neither am I giving meaning to things, This is what David said "We will break dimensions, crush the Gods, and see the very end of 'Fate' that spreads out beyond infinite battles!!.
Infinite battle = infinite gods/Dimensions
Fate has an end which is beyond the Infinite gods.

Now you are saying it means they would reach the top, but that Hierarchy doesn't have a peak in the first place, which is why gods keep giving destiny to each other

I am glad you are saying the hierachy does not have a peak so yes it David means they will keep on rising forever for infinity till you know they fight the last god you know their is no last god and they can only swap one place at a time with the palace so yes there is no such thing as possibly this will not even qualify for High 1B but you are reaching for low 1A? lol what a joke and again that is taken out of context and a flowery language and simply David giving a bad motivational speech about how they will use the palace to ascend the hierachy

 

[Lormac_CC]

I am glad you are saying the hierachy does not have a peak so yes it David means they will keep on rising forever for infinity till you know they fight the last god you know their is no last god and they can only swap one place at a time with the palace so yes there is no such thing as possibly this will not even qualify for High 1B but you are reaching for low 1A? lol what a joke and again that is taken out of context and a flowery language and simply David giving a bad motivational speech about how they will use the palace to ascend the hierachy

Seriously, the only thing you have said is that it is out of context. Google translation says beyond the endless battles! There are endless/Infinite gods on the hierarchy we know. Now a statement was made that destiny has an end which is beyond the Hierarchy and you are saying is that it is out of context, I honestly don't see how it is out of context. Bring up a counter rather than saying out of context

 

[PrinceofPein]

Seriously, the only thing you have said is that it is out of context. Google translation says beyond the endless battles! There are endless/Infinite gods on the hierarchy we know. Now a statement was made that destiny has an end which is beyond the Hierarchy and you are saying is that it is out of context, I honestly don't see how it is out of context. Bring up a counter rather than saying out of context

Why dont you send the first three pages before that, why would i ned to counter something that needs no counter.
what chapter is this let everyone go and read it and tell me how that is not taken out of context and simply flowery language, the same David that will mindless follow the said Destiny cause he is the Singularity, the same one that cannot even answer who is making him follow that destiny but somehow you want to take a motivation speech(Flowery language) from him to wank the verse? common

 

[Lormac_CC]

Why dont you send the first three pages before that, why would i ned to counter something that needs no counter.
what chapter is this let everyone go and read it and tell me how that is not taken out of context and simply flowery language, the same David that will mindless follow the said Destiny cause he is the Singularity, the same one that cannot even answer who is making him follow that destiny but somehow you want to take a motivation speech(Flowery language) from him to wank the verse? common

 

[Lormac_CC]

the same David that will mindless follow the said Destiny cause he is the Singularity

Honestly this doesn't disprove my point, it doesn't change the fact that he can see destiny thread and he is chosen

the same one that cannot even answer who is making him follow that destiny

Not a counter

but somehow you want to take a motivation speech(Flowery language) from him to wank the verse? common

Not a counter either

 

[TokiNoOuja]

Seems good to me,i agree

 

[PrinceofPein]

Yeah this is not going to pass anyway, so why do i even bother, it is simply flowery language. "Join hands with me let us see to the end of this planet" - flowery language wont grant a rating of any kind
and again and again a flowery language taken out of context

 

[PrinceofPein]

Honestly this doesn't disprove my point, it doesn't change the fact that he can see destiny thread and he is chosen

This does not disprove the fact that he simply wants sinbads help in reaching the top of the Hierachy

Not a counter

Not a counter

Not a counter either

Not a counter either

 

[Lormac_CC]

Yeah this is not going to pass anyway, so why do i even bother, it is simply flowery language. "Join hands with me let us see to the end of this planet" - flowery language wont grant a rating of any kind
and again and again a flowery language taken out of context

Both are two different things, I explained the relationship between destiny and gods

 

[Lormac_CC]

This does not disprove the fact that he simply wants sinbads help in reaching the top of the Hierachy

I already pointed out that the hierarchy has no peak, destiny ends lies beyond the Hierarchy which is Infinite.

 

[PrinceofPein]

I already pointed out that the hierarchy has no peak, destiny ends lies beyond the Hierarchy which is Infinite.

Prove that there is something beyond the Hierachy? I mean a solid Prove not some motivational speech like dude you got to want to really wank to even think that David trying to persuade Sinbad to team up with him to shatter the dimensions and strike down the gods while seeing how far the limits of destiny can expand means they will be above the High 1-B Hierachy later on then be low 1-A and after that they will become 1A that is a good joke lmao.

There is no said end to the Hierachy and the way the palace work is by swapping you with the person right above you, so that means that is what will keep on going on for infinity the hierachy has no top , and what they will be using is the palace by swapping the person directly above them and since it is infinite they will never reach the top. and also i quote "Let us see the most Distant ends of this destiny" (their Destiny been swapping hierachy eith the person right above them) holds no water and does not mean they will eventually break through the Hierachy i mean the method they are using already debunks this, or you think you can reach infinity by taking 1 step at a time? Cause they are also taking one step at a time and yes they will never reach the top cause there is no top it is infinite

Unless you have other proofs dont even bother, i am going to unsubscribe to this thread now

 

[Lormac_CC]

Will reply later, busy

 

[Megaraptor149]

This interesting

 

[Zencha9]

haven't seen a solid debunk so i'll agree for now

 

[Star_King_Veldanava]

It doesn't seem to matter, but I'm leaning more towards L-1A , I agree

 

[Darksmash]

I see nothing that is low 1-A here. Only potentially High 1-B

 

[Lormac_CC]

I see nothing that is low 1-A here. Only potentially High 1-B

You are better than me when it comes to Dimensions and stuff, so can I get your reason for High 1-B rather than low 1-A, cause the size of the Hierarchy is High 1-B

 

[OriginFox]

Neutral for now-The only issue I see is how their can be a god outside the current existing hierarchy when there wasn't really anything that suggests there exists gods beyond the hierarchy. The statement also seems like some hyperbole rather than actual. I'll agree if anyone can prove that there are gods that exists beyond the hierarchy.

 

[TokiNoOuja]

I agree

 

[Lormac_CC]

Neutral for now-The only issue I see is how their can be a god outside the current existing hierarchy when there wasn't really anything that suggests there exists gods beyond the hierarchy. The statement also seems like some hyperbole rather than actual. I'll agree if anyone can prove that there are gods that exists beyond the hierarchy.

This is why I went for possibily, we where given a side of a coin which is destiny exists beyond the endless Hierarchy and ends there, gods control destiny, the other side we weren't given were gods beyond the hierarchy we know

 

[OriginFox]

This is why I went for possibily, we where given a side of a coin which is destiny exists beyond the endless Hierarchy and ends there, gods control destiny, the other side we weren't given were gods beyond the hierarchy we know

Couldn't that be interpretated as destiny or rukh being a concept that exists beyond the hierarchy of the gods?

 

[Delta333]

Tbh if we assume that there is a god that exists beyond the hierarchy then we should assume that there are ton of gods that transcend it as well,since it's the absolute rule of the verse

 

[Lormac_CC]

Should have moved this thread to discussion, anyways we can continue

 

[Delta333]

Should have moved this thread to discussion, anyways we can continue

yeah you should move it

 

[Rez]

Couldn't that be interpretated as destiny or rukh being a concept that exists beyond the hierarchy of the gods?

A concept that is above an infinite amount of dimensions sounds like a low 1-A concept

 

[KingTempest]

Moved to discussion

 

[Darksmash]

You are better than me when it comes to Dimensions and stuff, so can I get your reason for High 1-B rather than low 1-A, cause the size of the Hierarchy is High 1-B

A never ending heirarchy is just endless 1-B, it's not High 1-B if the "end" doesn't exist. From what I read there all it implied was that they would reach the end of the heirarchy, which would be High 1-B. Low 1-A would require a massive different kind of jump over the complete heirarchy itself