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From what I have read in this thread Destiny is specified as something above the never ending hierarchy not a part of the said hierarchy
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PrinceofPein
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This will be nice and all but David speech is a flowery language and just a motivational speech, and also the way the palace work is by swapping you one step at a time and you will never reach the end of infinity taking one step at a time
Nah then u saw wrong man,
am i the only one who has read the damn manga here?
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Zencha9
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you can have a motivational speech without being flowery
so again prove that it is flowery
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You should read what Darksmash has said,and it is something that I have said overtime before actually
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Dark smash talked about a never ending hierarchy being high 1-B not about how destiny which is above the said hierarchy is not low 1-A
Rez
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Yes and destiny is above that said hierarchy it's not a part of it darksmash never talked about it
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High 1-B | High Hyperverse level: Characters who can universally affect, create and/or destroy structures whose size is equivalent to a countably infinite number of qualitative sizes above a universal model, usually represented in fiction by endless hierarchies of layers of existence, each succeeding one completely trivializing the previous into insignificance, or more generally a space with countably infinite dimensions
From the tiering system
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It's literally written as being beyond infinite
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Rez
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Endless in this context is infinite as David says in the above scan
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Also David literally calls it to be infinite so saying endless here is not infinite is pretty pointless
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That's why I said endless here is valid if infinite=endless in this wiki,although I have found many threads that don't say so
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Does it come from the previous mistranslation?
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The gods aren't high 1-B because none of them truly are "infinite-dimensional beings"
There are infinite dimensions. And there are gods residing in each higher dimension. But there's no god that exists in an "infinite dimensional place". Just gods existing in each higher dimension after the last. The entire Hierarchy is the Infinite-dimensional thing
There are infinite dimensions. And there are gods residing in each higher dimension. But there's no god that exists in an "infinite dimensional place". Just gods existing in each higher dimension after the last. The entire Hierarchy is the Infinite-dimensional thing
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Well I never finished Magi so I don't know the specifics, but that blog quite literally explains how everyone falls under destiny set by a higher god, so where did this additional destiny suddenly come from and why would it be qualitatively superior to the heirarchy?
I mean I don't know the context, I was just explaining how the argument itself doesn't reach low 1-A.
Though about the infinity thing this site is pretty lax with that kind of stuff. The Umineko ladder is considered infinite even if all witches reach the top by climbing one step at a time, same with SCP 3812's shenanigans.
PrinceofPein
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basically Head canon from OP
the context was when David was trying to persuade Sibad to use the palace and start climbing into higher world, but Sinbad refused cause climbing higher means using up the entire rukh in the loweer world and killing humans. It was in that context David said trying to motivate Sinbad "We will break dimensions, crush the Gods, and see the very end of 'Fate' that spreads out beyond infinite battle" So it was basically flowery words and does not hold any weight
I dont know shit about SCP but Umineko has more context and there was a world shown to be above the Hierachy and sea of nothingness and also methods of reaching there is more than just taking steps at a time. compared to one statement of flowery language and you want to upgrade
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This "world above the heirarchy" is still reached by the ladder though, by the exact same algorithm of taking one step at a time.
PrinceofPein
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With more context behind it and age it takes to reach it e.t.c. and also it was shown that there is a world above the ladder that witches can reach
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What context exactly? The world above the ladder is still reached by taking final steps on the ladder
PrinceofPein
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To Tired to type so just this should explain why Umineko has more context, and also you could not be more wrong than you are
first in Umineko the difference between intermediate layers is not one R>F but multiple dimensions. each layer contains non-dualism, an infinite nothingness, all linear time, non-linear time, endless space as well as infinite possibilities and impossibilities. not only is something from a higher dimension superior to something from a lower one, but it is to the point that even something infinite in a lower dimension would be non-existent for those in the higher dimension. Also it is after you stop being human after ypu can no longer feel the ground beneath you after you get erased and born again can you reach the witch domain.
Accordingly, no extensions of the Human Domain would be able to reach there physically, only being represented as a concept in the form of Kakera, and all of its expansion is nothing but a game board (fiction) to the beings in the Witch Domain.
The Human Domain is nothing but a chessboard to beings in the witch domain, with there being no difference to them between the normal human worlds and the supernatural or higher dimensional world, as all of those are just cells on the gameboard.
That is how you get to transcend the hierachy to become 1A not by climbing a ladder, the ladder part comes from the 1A to 1A+, and thats why they are 1A+ not High 1A
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PrinceofPein
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Bring a solid prove that there is a world outside the hierachy
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That was my point though. The ladder is still treated as having infinite steps(for 1-A+). I wasn't talking about qualitative nature of the heirarchy(
That's why I said what was shown here is High 1-B at best
PrinceofPein
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Characters who stand an infinite number of steps above "Baseline" Outerversal realms and structures are to have a + modifier in their.
that is kind of what gives 1A+ and why the witches can be 1a+ but never high 1A and also none of them is High 1A, well except beato and that one is a different case
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I don't know; the statement seems weird since destiny would still be control by a higher god.
Assuming at face value it was valid and hierarchy is High 1-B, a higher god seeing the hierarchy of High 1-B as fiction given the context of Magi would be 1-A or Low 1-A at worst; Low 1-A tier is usually given when the context of transcendence to High 1-B hierarchies is vague like a character just exists outside of High 1-B hierarchy. The next higher god would be 1-A, from seeing Low 1-A or 1-A as fiction; the other gods would go onward of 1-A
Assuming at face value it was valid and hierarchy is High 1-B, a higher god seeing the hierarchy of High 1-B as fiction given the context of Magi would be 1-A or Low 1-A at worst; Low 1-A tier is usually given when the context of transcendence to High 1-B hierarchies is vague like a character just exists outside of High 1-B hierarchy. The next higher god would be 1-A, from seeing Low 1-A or 1-A as fiction; the other gods would go onward of 1-A
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PrinceofPein
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till we have possibly high 1A, and infinitely above baseline High 1A, then possibly Tier 0
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Assuming it was like this valid, High 1-A to Tier 0 wouldn't work the same as above and wouldn't be valid. There would be more contexts needed to prove some higher gods exists completely outside or transcends 1-A hierarchy framework for High 1-A and High 1-A hierarchy framework for Tier 0, like the tiering system elaborates upon.
Tier High 1-A or Tier 0 would be too vague.
Tier High 1-A or Tier 0 would be too vague.
PrinceofPein
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of course the flow of fate does not extend beyond the said Hierarchy so there are really no sides
