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STRONGEST One-Punch Man Discussion Thread!
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I don't get the "butchering his character" idea- the only major change is that the story no longer implies that Orochi might be anywhere near Saitama, which was probably true all along. In the original fight, Orochi was able to dodge Saitama's blow but had a far less impressive feat. Orochi isn't necessarily slower in this redraw, Saitama was probably just trying harder. Plus Orochi might be tier 5 now, so I think that more than makes up for it.
I would have liked to have the "so this is terror" and the line about ancient weapons and final bosses from Saitama, but I prefer the current version for the lore and powerscaling.
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3+ years ago Murata in a live stream said Anime Boros can destroy the planet. And to leave further doubts he said he could destroy the whole thing, not just the surface. Are they implying Anime Boros > Manga Boros?
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A valid alternate translation for scorch in the context is "Scatter Away (via a explosion)"
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Link? Also Anime Boros' CSRC being planetary while Manga Boros' CSRC being High 6-A kinda obviously shows who's stronger :\
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@Qawsedf234 Could you explain this?
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He just feels less dignified in this version. The original fight had him not go down that quickly, and Saitama taking a bath while naked. Current Orochi may be stronger, but he's portrayed more like a joke
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For Psykos it was because the KE figure didn't align with the art. The plate would be moving at escape velocity speeds and wouldn't have slammed back as soon as it did. Shoots right after also contradicted the spread space shot in terms of how high it was lifted.
If the art around the plate was more internally consistent KE would have been used
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Scan? It probably doesn't mean move away the surface literally tbh.
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Would the LS thing actually fly by Vs wiki standards?
Because Saitama never really overpowered this form of orochi physically, though he was able to outdo his blast by squirting magma at it (wich is an obvious sign that he's stronger, but idk if that qualifies)
Neuron Psykos uses goop orochi's energy projection, but her absorption is more flesh based(even if she did say she would eventually assimilate the earth), and never does the same thing as this version. Plus she's hollow inside and not that great physically.
Tatsumaki depends on if Neuron Psykos get it or not.
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I mean, he should be stronger than Orochi physically?
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I don't think that stream is available anymore i don't think it's possible to find it. Take a look here it's mostly blank.
What remains is the remnants of this specific stream that sparked up a thread of people finally excited Boros couldn't be downplayed anymore.
Some translator said Murata was pretty specific about Manga and Anime Boros and that Boros in the anime had a ''power-up'' compared to the manga.
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Yeah, but i've seen LS scaling get nitpicked to the point a character needed to pretty much wrestle with another for it to be accepted
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So Orochi did a tier 5 feat...
This may be one of the biggest examples of manga creators making a character far more powerful than the feat was intended to be that I've seen. This messes so much with narrative scaling. It puts Orochi's max AP above Boros' which ONE and Murata definitely did not intend.
Anyways, not many characters would scale to this outside of Saitama. Speaking of, Saitama canceled out an apparent tier 5 attack by squirting some liquid (magma or water, it doesn't matter here honestly) out of his hands. That's...I mean, I don't think I can really describe how ridiculous that is.
Also, would it be possible to scale God above this, or at least give him some sort of rating about it? Basically, Orochi believed he was literally destined to be a god, when in reality he was actually fodder used to satiate a far higher entity. The narrative implications alone suggest God is far superior to Orochi, so it might be worth mentioning. The only other character's that I could think of an argument for are Psyrochi, Boros, and Blast. But all of those are also based on narrative implications rather than feats.
This may be one of the biggest examples of manga creators making a character far more powerful than the feat was intended to be that I've seen. This messes so much with narrative scaling. It puts Orochi's max AP above Boros' which ONE and Murata definitely did not intend.
Anyways, not many characters would scale to this outside of Saitama. Speaking of, Saitama canceled out an apparent tier 5 attack by squirting some liquid (magma or water, it doesn't matter here honestly) out of his hands. That's...I mean, I don't think I can really describe how ridiculous that is.
Also, would it be possible to scale God above this, or at least give him some sort of rating about it? Basically, Orochi believed he was literally destined to be a god, when in reality he was actually fodder used to satiate a far higher entity. The narrative implications alone suggest God is far superior to Orochi, so it might be worth mentioning. The only other character's that I could think of an argument for are Psyrochi, Boros, and Blast. But all of those are also based on narrative implications rather than feats.
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That's what I'm saying. They gave Orochi a more powerful feat at the cost of making him look like a joke.
Imagine if Boros just decided to skip the fighting and go CSRC immediately after seeing Saitama, but this time CSRC is star level. But Saitama decides to defeat it by yawning a bit too loud.
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Saitama would become an Arale level gag character
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Pls no
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I don’t really see how this would make Psykorochi scale without having the amp
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I've noticed that the redraws are giving him a lot of comedic moments unnecessarily. Making him feel like a genuinely slow person (slow in terms of mental capacity I mean), when he's more so just seemed to have average intelligence with some moments of surprising density. Giving him unnecessary and random feats like forcefully breaking into a mental space, or now where we have him canceling out an absurdly strong beam from one of the most powerful Monster's in the series by squirting some water out of his hands and treating Orochi like a complete joke, even though in the original version he treated Orochi somewhat seriously.
Speaking of, I actually hate what they did with Orochi. He doesn't even feel special, he doesn't feel like the "King of Monster's". His new design was ass, and he wasn't taken remotely seriously. He felt like some random Dragon level Monster if anything.
A lot of the redraw was good, primarily the God stuff, but otherwise I disliked it.
Btw, has anyone mentioned that we have more evidence for Saitama being able to output an aura that scares people?
Speaking of, I actually hate what they did with Orochi. He doesn't even feel special, he doesn't feel like the "King of Monster's". His new design was ass, and he wasn't taken remotely seriously. He felt like some random Dragon level Monster if anything.
A lot of the redraw was good, primarily the God stuff, but otherwise I disliked it.
Btw, has anyone mentioned that we have more evidence for Saitama being able to output an aura that scares people?
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I believe that using the method for recognizing Outliers that I mention here Orochi's feat could be an Outlier.
- 1) Is it a big jump or drop in power? | Yes.
- 2) Is it a unique or exceptional incident? | Yes.
- 3) Is the event unexplained and unjustified? | Yes?
- 4) Does the event break the previously established power-scaling? | Yes.
- 5) Does the event break with the narrative of the work? | ?
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Except Orochi was amped. So none of this really applies.
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It doesn't break anything. No one other than the Saitama, the god tier, scales to this attack, not even Orochi's physicals. Nothing contradicts it by far
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What contradictions in particular would arise by Gaia Cannon being that strong?
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I mean, it definitely doesn't make sense narratively for Orochi to be capable of outputting that much power, even if he doesn't physically scale to it, but just because it doesn't make much sense narratively doesn't necessarily make it a guaranteed outlier, either.
Not to mention that this is a redraw. Old Orochi's strength doesn't apply to the new version.
Not to mention that this is a redraw. Old Orochi's strength doesn't apply to the new version.
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Absolutely agreed here. Someone pls turn back time so this chapter never existed. Tho at least Saitama destroying the mental space doesn't ruin any of the narrative writing. Unlike what was done with orochi.
I don't think so. I think it can be added imo.
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How is it an outlier when it's a move that's not derived from himself. It's from the earth. That's like saying it would be an outlier if Psykorochi eventually became the earth because it boosts her way too high.
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Orochi is literally taking power from somewhere shooting it. Orochi isn't outputting the beam.
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Isn't Orochi's durability still an issue? He wouldn't have been amped anymore when Saitama used squirt on him.
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It's actually possible reasons to why Orochi's LS might not scale to Psykorochi
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Ah, k
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Taking that much energy in from the core of the Earth at the speed he does it is what I'm saying. And it still feels wrong for him to be remotely capable of shooting a blast that can effortlessly overpower CSRC, regardless of the method.
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Honestly I'm starting to wish CSRC really was planet level.
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Why are we assuming he actually siphoned off part of the core itself and not just geothermal energy (or whatever Vaccine Man, who also draws energy from the Earth, and HE use)?
Orochi says he'll pull energy from the core.
There's no mass visibly taken away from it, and the path is only left displaced.
The supposed core portion isn't shown rising from the Earth to him, despite the fact that the radius alone would be astronomically than the entire Monster Asociation base if it was a physical mass.
The sphere itself is shown in Orochi's chest as energy.
This isn't a bad thing, though, as the displacement itself may get even higher results.
Orochi says he'll pull energy from the core.
There's no mass visibly taken away from it, and the path is only left displaced.
The supposed core portion isn't shown rising from the Earth to him, despite the fact that the radius alone would be astronomically than the entire Monster Asociation base if it was a physical mass.
The sphere itself is shown in Orochi's chest as energy.
This isn't a bad thing, though, as the displacement itself may get even higher results.
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Murata 3 years said Anime Boros could destroy the whole planet and not just the surface but the stream is no longer available so take it as you will.
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Is Boros narratively supposed to be the pinnacle of strength (besides Saitama)? Why is some Monster surpassing him years later so hard to believe?
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Why was it chosen to be High 6-A smh
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You can't say regardless of the method because the reason it is accepted as not an outlier is because of the reason. Orochi isn't doing this by himself. He is taking energy from somewhere. It's just as good as "God" giving Psykorochi power. Of course base Psykos won't scale to it because it's not her power.
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Because most people think AG will surpass Orochi and Psykos and naturally Boros ¨scales¨ to him because of statements from One
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