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STRONGEST One-Punch Man Discussion Thread!

I was always under the interpretation that (like everyone else in the verse) Boros is less an ant to Saitama and he could’ve atomized with a flick, but he humored him with a stimulating fight due to sympathizing with his plight.

Also Boros still handily beats Orochi, no? Thousands of times faster and one shots without CSRC because Gaia Cannon doesn’t scale to Orochi’s durability
 
Ourosboros said:
The way I look at it, Saitama was only ever humoring Boros. At the end of the battle Boros accused Saitama of lying about the closeness of the fight, I think that holds true for everything else Saitama said as well.

Boros was certainly the most impressive thing Saitama had seen and Saitama is very good at judging power levels when he needs to (one punching Snek and Rover non-fatally while casually demolishing Orochi), so it wasn't a lie for Saitama to call Boros "strong" unless we assume strong to mean comparable in power to Saitama. I don't think he was- he could have treated CSRC like a total joke if he wanted to.
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Why would he lie about Boros being impressive when Boros can't even hear him? He said it in space and to Genos. He was lying about it being a close fight and Saitama himself having a good time, not about Boros being a genuinely powerful opponent.

Saitama says directly that he can't tell how strong most people are due to the gap between them. Like how he has no idea how strong Gouketsu was, because to Saitama, Gouketsu was fodder. Saitama generally only calls people strong when they can impressive. Another main example is with Awakened Garou. After Garou attacks him, Saitama specifically says that he can tell Garou is strong, immediately noting that Garou isn't like most other opponents. With Orochi, Saitama never addressed his strength even remotely. Hell, in the original version it was somewhat similar, he didn't treat Orochi like a joke, but Saitama said that he doesn't care about Orochi's title nor how strong Orochi thinks he is, and in the end he still kills him effortlessly without regarding Orochi as a strong opponent. I doubt Saitama could've used the same old Normal Punch to cancel out CSRC. I'm not saying the Serious Punch was his full power or even necessarily close to it, but Saitama did not view Boros as another random opponent, that much is undeniable.
 
Maverick_Zero_X said:
I was always under the interpretation that (like everyone else in the verse) Boros is less an ant to Saitama that he could’ve atomized with a flick, but he humored him with a stimulating fight due to sympathizing with his plight.

Also Boros still handily beats Orochi, no? Thousands of times faster and one shots without CSRC because Gaia Cannon doesn’t scale to Orochi’s durability
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We interpreted it the same way. Plus if Saitama was using say, 1% of his power against Boros, then he's conceivably out of his league against God who we can expect to be hundreds or thousands of times stronger than the earth cutter or Orochi's attack just now.

If Saitama scales a little above Boros and matches God, that implies that Boros is only a tier below cosmic entities and whatnot, despite all the ludicrous feats that are being committed with tiny fractions of "God"'s power.

Worse still is if God is an outerdimensional entity with crazy cosmic powers and then Saitama beats him handily. If Boros downscales from Saitama, that makes Boros far superior to "God"... despite the fact that God will have feats leagues above CSRC.

Basically Saitama scaling to Boros puts a hard cap on how strong God can be and if God goes over that cap, then it's circular scaling.

But as for Orochi, he did absorb all that energy through his tail and release it through his mouth. If we don't scale Orochi's durability to the feat, can we at least scale him above the meteor as a bona-fide above dragon?
 
Ourosboros said:
We interpreted it the same way. Plus if Saitama was using say, 1% of his power against Boros, then he's conceivably out of his league against God who we can expect to be hundreds or thousands of times stronger than the earth cutter or Orochi's attack just now.

If Saitama scales a little above Boros and matches God, that implies that Boros is only a tier below cosmic entities and whatnot, despite all the ludicrous feats that are being committed with tiny fractions of "God"'s power.

Worse still is if God is an outerdimensional entity with crazy cosmic powers and then Saitama beats him handily. If Boros downscales from Saitama, that makes Boros far superior to "God"... despite the fact that God will have feats leagues above CSRC.

Basically Saitama scaling to Boros puts a hard cap on how strong God can be and if God goes over that cap, then it's circular scaling.

But as for Orochi, he did absorb all that energy through his tail and release it through his mouth. If we don't scale Orochi's durability to the feat, can we at least scale him above the meteor as a bona-fide above dragon?
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Diving into talk about God is reaching into high speculative territory, and again, I'm not saying Boros is Saitama's rival, I'm saying he's not just another random opponent whose strength is irrelevant to Saitama.
 
Tetsucabrah said:
At this point we're doing some serious mental gymnastics to keep Boros weaker than he actually is narratively. We need to revise his scaling.
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Well, we can't. Having the CSRC, a clearly High 6-A atttack, higher than High 6-A is bonkers.

But on the bright side, Low 5-B scales to only one attack. And the fact final form Orochi is still weaker and slower than MB Boros physically means Boros would still slap Orochi.
 
Tetsucabrah said:
Wait how does it not scale to his durability?
He sucked up the energy himself and funneled it through his body.

If he was way weaker than that the KE would destroy him.
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I mean by that logic we'd be scaling CSRC to Boros, and we don't
 
Out of curiosity what would happen if ONE said Boros would stop the Gaia cannon with a punch?
We're arbitrarily gimping Boros because "he can't be stronger" than the likely lowballed values we're giving his ultimate attack.
 
Tetsucabrah said:
Honestly Saitama did still treat Orochi like a joke in the original.
He even didn't even contemplate that he could've been the monster king he was looking for later on in the arc.
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I mean in the sense of Orochi not even being treated as a Monster.

Saitama barely acknowledges his presence or intent to harm him, treats Orochi like some kind of poorly behaved home-owner, and cancels out his strongest attack (which is calced to apparently be the strongest shown attack in the series) by literally squirting some water or magma towards it. At least in the original Saitama barely talks and can understand that Orochi is a full fledged Monster that he needs to kill, and there's none of that ridiculous bath tub nonsense.
 
Tetsucabrah said:
Out of curiosity what would happen if ONE said Boros would stop the Gaia cannon with a punch?
We're arbitrarily gimping Boros because "he can't be stronger" than the likely lowballed values we're giving his ultimate attack.
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Then I guess take his word for it.
 
Tetsucabrah said:
Out of curiosity what would happen if ONE said Boros would stop the Gaia cannon with a punch?
We're arbitrarily gimping Boros because "he can't be stronger" than the likely lowballed values we're giving his ultimate attack.
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Word of God (Especially when applied to a top tier whose strength was largely undemonstrated)>>>This feat and previously determined scaling.
 
RinneItachi said:
Why would he lie about Boros being impressive when Boros can't even hear him? He said it in space and to Genos. He was lying about it being a close fight and Saitama himself having a good time, not about Boros being a genuinely powerful opponent.

Saitama says directly that he can't tell how strong most people are due to the gap between them. Like how he has no idea how strong Gouketsu was, because to Saitama, Gouketsu was fodder. Saitama generally only calls people strong when they can impressive. Another main example is with Awakened Garou. After Garou attacks him, Saitama specifically says that he can tell Garou is strong, immediately noting that Garou isn't like most other opponents. With Orochi, Saitama never addressed his strength even remotely. Hell, in the original version it was somewhat similar, he didn't treat Orochi like a joke, but Saitama said that he doesn't care about Orochi's title nor how strong Orochi thinks he is, and in the end he still kills him effortlessly without regarding Orochi as a strong opponent. I doubt Saitama could've used the same old Normal Punch to cancel out CSRC. I'm not saying the Serious Punch was his full power or even necessarily close to it, but Saitama did not view Boros as another random opponent, that much is undeniable.
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What would you say the minimum percentage of Saitama's full power Boros would scale to, 1% or 0.1%?

What if God gives a say, 3-C feat and Saitama beats him handily? If Boros is 0.1% of Saitama's full strength, he'll be either 3-C or very high end 4-A. It's all high speculation but my perspective on Boros's importance is entirely speculative- I judge him based upon where he falls in the grand scheme of things in OPM, and though we don't know everything we do know that God should be tiers above the earth cutter and therefore probably tiers above CSRC.

If Saitama was able to tell how strong Boros was but couldn't with Gouketsu that means that Boros was somewhat in his league and Gouketsu wasn't. Boros being in Saitama's league puts a cap on Saitama's possible strength that Boros himself would argue is illegitimate.

Alternatively, we can say that Boros's strength far surpassed any opponent Saitama had seen up until that point and Saitama was able to note the difference. Saitama isn't a complete idiot so he doesn't necessarily need to be comparable in strength to make that judgment. Likewise he can still admire Boros's strength relative to others and convey that to Genos as a token of respect to an opponent who worked hard to get where he was and really became one of the strongest.
 
I'm tired of arguments like we shouldn't just wait for non-existent hypotheticals like "what if the author says so". They haven't, and it's also possible that they don't mention it or outright deny such possibilities.

That being said, Garou is probably going to surpass Orochi.
 
Let's say Awakened Garou happens to scale above Orochi's Gaia whatever, would that mean Boros can't scale since his physicals would scale above an attack stronger than his CSRC which is meant to be much stronger than himself lol?
 
SemiRaedi said:
Let's say Awakened Garou happens to scale above Orochi's Gaia whatever, would that mean Boros can't scale since his physicals would scale above an attack stronger than his CSRC which is meant to be much stronger than himself lol?
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No
 
SemiRaedi said:
Let's say Awakened Garou happens to scale above Orochi's Gaia whatever, would that mean Boros can't scale since his physicals would scale above an attack stronger than his CSRC which is meant to be much stronger than himself lol?
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The current CSRC calcs are a little lowballed, so it's not necessarily a contradiction.

The problem I have with default scaling Boros above this is that we need to agree that Boros is definitely above Orochi for narrative reasons and not solely on the old AG Boros statement. That statement was made years ago, back when most of these feats had not been thought up by Murata or ONE. Hell, this new feat probably wasn't even planned until sometime last year when ONE decided to start the redraws, so the scaling chain definitely didn't exist when the statement was made.
 
Tetsucabrah said:
If we're just going to be hesitant to scale Boros to new feats that's fine.
I just don't like the logic in artificially capping Boros at a certain value and saying "he can never scale to anything above this"
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Agreed.

What I would like is a new statement about Garou and Boros. If we get that statement, I'm all for low 5-B Boros.
 
Tetsucabrah said:
Out of curiosity what would happen if ONE said Boros would stop the Gaia cannon with a punch?
We're arbitrarily gimping Boros because "he can't be stronger" than the likely lowballed values we're giving his ultimate attack.
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Pretty sure it would be called death of author
 
Ourosboros said:
The current CSRC calcs are a little lowballed, so it's not necessarily a contradiction.

The problem I have with default scaling Boros above this is that we need to agree that Boros is definitely above Orochi for narrative reasons and not solely on the old AG Boros statement. That statement was made years ago, back when most of these feats had not been thought up by Murata or ONE. Hell, this new feat probably wasn't even planned until sometime last year when ONE decided to start the redraws, so the scaling chain definitely didn't exist when the statement was made.
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Yeah, personally I don't really like using the older statements from Murata considering the fact that he was probably stating them from the pov that the manga is done similar to the webcomic which obviously isn't the case.

I know for sure that people on the Reddit will scale Golden Sperm to Orochi's Gaia to make Golden Sperm stronger than Psykorochi
 
Ourosboros said:
What would you say the minimum percentage of Saitama's full power Boros would scale to, 1% or 0.1%?

What if God gives a say, 3-C feat and Saitama beats him handily? If Boros is 0.1% of Saitama's full strength, he'll be either 3-C or very high end 4-A. It's all high speculation but my perspective on Boros's importance is entirely speculative- I judge him based upon where he falls in the grand scheme of things in OPM, and though we don't know everything we do know that God should be tiers above the earth cutter and therefore probably tiers above CSRC.

If Saitama was able to tell how strong Boros was but couldn't with Gouketsu that means that Boros was somewhat in his league and Gouketsu wasn't. Boros being in Saitama's league puts a cap on Saitama's possible strength that Boros himself would argue is illegitimate.

Alternatively, we can say that Boros's strength far surpassed any opponent Saitama had seen up until that point and Saitama was able to note the difference. Saitama isn't a complete idiot so he doesn't necessarily need to be comparable in strength to make that judgment. Likewise he can still admire Boros's strength relative to others and convey that to Genos as a token of respect to an opponent who worked hard to get where he was and really became one of the strongest.
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Minimum as in the least amount I think he would've used? Cause idk. I'm not trying to apply specific numbers to the gap between them. There is still a huge gap, but what I doubt is saying Saitama could deflect CSRC into space by breathing too hard.

This is all reaching deep into speculation and doesn't really effect the actual narrative implications that Boros was someone Saitama considered impressive. And again, Saitama considered Boros a powerful foe whereas he didn't ever comment on Orochi's strength, not even when it comes to the Gaia Cannon, that alone suggests Boros is still meant to be stronger than Orochi even with his most powerful attack.

Just because it puts a cap on his strength doesn't mean it isn't true. Yeah, he could show feats massively above High 6-A or even massively above planet level, but we literally don't know. Boros only said that Saitama was still holding back and that it wasn't a real fight, that doesn't mean he thinks Saitama was a million times stronger than him. Even a 10x difference can create a one-sided mismatch.

Yet Boros genuinely surprised Saitama on multiple occasions (I'd even say "shocked" with Meteoric Burst) and was regarded to be almost a real fight. Whereas in every other instance of Saitama encountering someone in the entire series, including Orochi himself, he doesn't once say that they're strong, apart from Garou of course. In fact, that brings me to the next point. Boros and Garou are still narratively meant to be the 2 strongest villains thus far (apart from God most likely), and likewise, they're the only villains to make Saitama note that they're strong and different from the rest (also likewise, they're the only ones to last after or even counter his attacks). It seems to be a theme that these near but not confirmed God level foes are the ones that make Saitama impressed. The fact that Orochi isn't one of them means he's still below Boros and Garou.
 
SemiRaedi said:
Yeah, personally I don't really like using the older statements from Murata considering the fact that he was probably stating them from the pov that the manga is done similar to the webcomic which obviously isn't the case.

I know for sure that people on the Reddit will scale Golden Sperm to Orochi's Gaia to make Golden Sperm stronger than Psykorochi
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Will Tatsumaki and Gyoro Gyoro/Psykos need a redraw too since Psykos getting absorbed by Orochi will be different? I'm a fan of the esper characters getting new additions, maybe Tatsumaki will show off new hax against Psykos since she definitely won't do any big feats inside the MA base.

If Psykos can shoot eye beams and control gravity then surely a superior esper can do other cool stuff too
 
What if Psykorochi absorbed the entire core of the Earth and fired it at Tatsumaki, who proceeds to no diff the attack and instantly fix the planet with a flick of her wrist.
 
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