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If there's no contradictions like I said then they should scale. We're talking about cartoon most things will sound illogical and dumb. We're talking about the same show where piccolo went to like solar system lvl to universal doing push ups.Zamasu Chan also gave some arguments for Inmensurable speed DBS, however, It also got rejected by many staff members, I already said how the infinite speed is a inconsistency, many characters would have to scale no matter what, and exceptions between characters can't be made, every Z fighter will have to scale no matter what, as they were able to keep with the fight between UI Goku and Jiren, you can't deny how dumb this sounds, but is how It is, that's why this all is ilogical nonesense.
So you guys should just stop pushing for a infinite speed Goku, no matter how sad, angry or frustrated you guys feel, you will have to accept Stuff decision and move on, you can't just try to push them for a infinite speed rating, Ignoring the incredibly amount of plotholes, PIS, and Antifeats on the show.
Just accept reality and recognize that things are not always going to turn out as you want.
It's being discussed if it's immeasurable speed feat or not. Vados mentions that Hit isn't stopping but actually skipping. Multiple character counter the time skip, such as Goku, Dyspo, Jiren, etc. Meaning they traveled forward in time, due to hit doing that with his ability. Since Multiple characters have done it, it can't be an outlier.I have only read the first post of this thread, but it seems to make sense to me to re-add time stop resistance.
What are the conclusions so far here, and what do the staff members who have replied think?
There is no contradictions but it sounds insanely dumb, can you imagine Krilin with Inmensurable speed??, no....., This would literally shit on all the scaling, It would create a chaos, people like Master Roshi will have infinite speed, lol, almost every fighter will have it.... Sorry, but as much I would like this to work, this won't be accepted.If there's no contradictions like I said then they should scale. We're talking about cartoon most things will sound illogical and dumb. We're talking about the same show where piccolo went to like solar system lvl to universal doing push ups.
Even you admitted there is no contradiction. If the staff deny this for sounding dumb, then that's very irrational. I would hope they would have more integrity than that.There is no contradictions but it sounds insanely dumb, can you imagine Krilin with Inmensurable speed??, no....., This would literally shit on all the scaling, It would create a chaos, people like Master Roshi will have infinite speed, lol, almost every fighter will have it.... Sorry, but as much I would like this to work, this won't be accepted.
I have only read the first post of this thread, but it seems to make sense to me to re-add time stop resistance.
What are the conclusions so far here, and what do the staff members who have replied think?
So let’s just make this simple either
A.
Give Goku Precognition, Possible Info Analysis, and Resistance to Time Stop
for Rez’s reasons
Or
B.
Give Goku Immeasurable Speed/Limited Time Travel and everyone above U6 arc SSJBKKx10 Goku would scale (3-As/ Low 2-Cs/ 2-Cs from the Black Arc - ToP)
for Armbill’s reasons
If Goku gets neither of these then it’s blatant ignorance from Staff’s part but both of these have supporting feats and validity even consistency within the show
I choose this one, the most logical and rational for meA.
Give Goku Precognition, Possible Info Analysis, and Resistance to Time Stop
for Rez’s reasons
Becouse this is like giving every fighter on the show Inmensurable speed, of course It sounds ilogical and fills the show with plotholes and PIS.Even you admitted there is no contradiction. If the staff deny this for sounding dumb, then that's very irrational. I would hope they would
At this point I would rather us get somewhere than to avoid the sea of death note derailmentI choose this one, the most logical and rational for me
True, to avoid a chaos in speed scaling I would rather choose the first option, and is consistant with the show and is more clearAt this point I would rather us get somewhere than to avoid the sea of death note derailment
Saying theres a plothole implies a contradiction though. Unless you're just meaning like an asspull then, yeah it is. But super has plenty of those.Becouse this is like giving every fighter on the show Inmensurable speed, of course It sounds ilogical and fills the show with plotholes and PIS.
Plenty of those that literally strawmean the speed a considerable number of times.Unless you're just meaning like an asspull then, yeah it is. But super has plenty of those.
Ok after rewatching the fight here's what I understood
At the beginning of the fight Goku was just predicting where Hit will time skip himself this is a pretty amazing feat for Precog upgrade
But later Hit kinds of alters his time stop as now he isn't just simply moving into the future but he is actually attacking Goku with in the time skip this is more like time stop than skip
Later on after Goku goes kaioken X10 he is capable of moving in Hit's time skip too so a resistance to time stop should be fine and you don't need immeasurable to move in stopped time infinte is good enough but I consider that too to be an outliner
Ok after rewatching the fight here's what I understood
At the beginning of the fight Goku was just predicting where Hit will time skip himself this is a pretty amazing feat for Precog upgrade
But later Hit kinds of alters his time stop as now he isn't just simply moving into the future but he is actually attacking Goku with in the time skip this is more like time stop than skip
Later on after Goku goes kaioken X10 he is capable of moving in Hit's time skip too so a resistance to time stop should be fine and you don't need immeasurable to move in stopped time infinte is good enough but I consider that too to be an outliner
Do you mean strawman? Can I get further elaborationPlenty of those that literally strawmean the speed a considerable number of times.
What else do you need that would fit this, can you delinate your point in more detail? We have 4 different people countering the time skip. People surpassing and reacting to infinte Zamasu who can move his essence through time, goku had the reaction time to hang onto a time machine while it was Mid flight. Jiren was stated to trancend time as well.I am only going to accept resistance to time stop, not immeasurable speed, as we need considerably more consistent reliable evidence for such an extreme ability, and it would also not make any sense with the displayed scale or coherence of the setting. We did not give Natsu of Fairy Tail immeasurable speed either, for example.
What would be the reasons for information analysis and precognition?
Yeah, and the rest of the fighters including Low tiers like Roshi that should also scale.What else do you need that would fit this, can you delinate your point in more detail? We have 4 different people countering the time skip. People surpassing and reacting to infinte Zamasu, goku had the reaction time to hang onto a time machine while it was Mid flight. Jiren was stated to trancend time as well
He already has analytical predictionLimited battle precognition seems to make sense to me in that case, but it does not seem to fit with information analysis.
Saying that since they get it that it shouldn't be applied is pedantic. In a certain point if view he did trancend time, since there's multiple layers that classify it. It's is supporting evidence however.Yeah, and the rest of the other fighters includong Low tiers like Roshi that should also scale.
Not to mention that the "Jiren transcends time thing" it's been debunked trillions of times, and this wouldn't give Jiren resistance to all types of time manip, unless you apply NLF
Oh God, No no, are you saying that Jiren's has resistance to all types of time manipulation??In a certain point if view he did trancend time, since there's multiple layers that classify it. It's is supporting evidence however.
Why limited 1.Limited battle precognition seems to make sense to me in that case, but it does not seem to fit with information analysis.
And almost every Z fighter, and It would shit on the recent scaling. DBS is just a mush up of inconsintencies like thisWait so let me get this straight. The argument against Immeasurable speed is that Roshi was able to react to MUI Goku vs Jiren, yes?
True, I also think It should be complete precognition.Why limited 1
Like everything with Immensurable speed chatacterBecouse this is like giving every fighter on the show speed, of course It sounds ilogical and fills the show with plotholes and PIS.
I'm not NLF it. I'm saying he trancends it to a certain extent. Akin to people transcending infinty but not multiple infinties.Oh God, No no, are you saying that Jiren's has resistance to all types of time manipulation??
TbfAnd almost every Z fighter, and It would shit on the recent scaling. DBS is just a mush up of inconsintencies like this
Anyway, I am going to bed now. Please do not spam hundreds of posts that won't lead anywhere anyway while I am gone.
No we should just stop spamming and wait for any more Staff imput, this won't lead us to anywhere soon if we still with this bloody whatOk can everyone who is against Immeasurable detail or show an example of true immeasurable.
and then
those who are for Immeasurable can you show feats that CONSISTENTLY fit those descriptions and examples
this is the only way we can get to some level of agreement here