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Sword Art Online CRT: More Additions To The Entire Verse

Why not Absorption+Existence erasure?
The void tries to absorb Kirito and in process of absorbing,it consumes his existence which sounds like EE to me
 
Yeah,it would have been nominal fallacy if we just assumed its related to void due to the attack's name but the description supports it being a void but dont know if its void as in empty space or void as in nothingness
 
Aye... let's take a closer look at this scan:
The void filling the inside of the enemy was like a black hole, but
my own body was also swirling with a gargantuan, gleaming
galaxy created with the prayers of each and every human being.
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We have Kirito describing his own body which should make him 3-C.
 
Still iffy with void stuff, but whatever. EE still a no, one line of consume my existance hardly mean EE, you exaggerated it to EE. Absorption come from the line where he absorb uhhhh.......the beast???? to his arm???.
Oblivion_Of_The_Endless said:
Going to note that this is not really how it works. Etheldrea has Unconventional resistance to soul and concept manip due to her soul being made of her concept. Her body is still made of normal matter, its not conceptual (her soul is) but we still give them resistance to concept manip. Same case here.
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Why she resist Concept, i could understand if she have resistance to soul manip cause her soul is not "conventional" soul, but also resist concept, what is the reason behind it, sound like falacy to me
 
Vietthai96 said:
Why she resist Concept, i could understand if she have resistance to soul manip cause her soul is not "conventional" soul, but also resist concept, what is the reason behind it, sound like falacy to me
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Because:

1.Her soul is her concept. You cant affect a concept with just soul manip, so you gonna need concept manip for that too.
2. If her soul is affected, that means her concept is being affected as well. And seeing how she can endure soul attacks, she is granted resistance to concept manip by extension.
 
Oblivion_Of_The_Endless said:
2. If her soul is affected, that means her concept is being affected as well. And seeing how she can endure soul attacks, she is granted resistance to concept manip by extension.
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Now that a falacy here, she resist soul manip, yes because her soul is made of concept, soul. And now she resist a soul attack and she being granted concept resistance without a feat of resisting concept attack
 
Vietthai96 said:
Now that a falacy here, she resist soul manip, yes because her soul is made of concept, soul. And now she resist a soul attack and she being granted concept resistance without a feat of resisting concept attack
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There is no fallacy.

Soul=Concept

So soul attacks = concept attacks

Its not that hard to grasp. If you disagree you are going against how it works on this site. Not to mention that this was accepted by staff in CRTs
 
Vietthai96 said:
And because her soul is concept then every attack being automatically assumed as concept attack???????
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The Nameless

Little is known of the enigmatic Messenger known as The Nameless. He first appeared during the Third War in the Shadows siding with humanity against Baal. Although his appearance is human, anyone that can feel auras know immediately that he is not a mere mortal, but a being with a forsaken power...
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Void Knight

The Void Knights are necromantic warriors of great power that differ from other undead because they still have some fragments of their souls left, but those remnants are as corrupt and withered as those of the most terrible specters. In a sense, it is almost as if a necromancer's spirit was...
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"Soul Manipulation, Conceptual Manipulation (Type 2) (Those he kills have their souls immediately wiped from existence"

"Soul Manipulation, Conceptual Manipulation (Type 2), Regeneration Negation (Up to Mid-Godly) (Capable of damaging and even destroying souls, with this damage being so thorough as to be impossible to fully heal even through magic "

You tell me.
 
If you don't accept that as some form of void manip then it's straight up denial
Because the things starking presented qualify for void manip no point in arguing about someone's opinion
 
Again, is there any other evidences for EE, i'm neutral with void stuff and not asking anymore or people thing i'm trying to hinder and downplay the CRT
 
Star_King_Demon_Lord said:
Characters in the Underworld gets Unconventional Resistance to Soul Manipulation and Matter Manipulation due to the Minds/Souls being described as Quantum Fields:
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... I mean like, it's still a soul. If they can interact with a soul (especially under verse equalization as is standard on this wiki) I don't see why they wouldn't be able to interact with a fluctlight like this. And if you want to argue that quantum stuff makes it fundamentally distinct from a normal soul, then wouldn't the verse's soul manipulation in turn become inapplicable on everyone?
Star_King_Demon_Lord said:
Human Realm Arc Kirito gets Supernatural Willpower due to Kirito still having the strength to fight Quinella even after losing blood and being severely injured
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That doesn't grant any real supernatural ability, that's just a high degree of stamina. It's not Supernatural Willpower. Incarnation would be by definition, though.
Star_King_Demon_Lord said:
(Shouldn't be inferior to the other super accounts)
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... Okay but like, why shouldn't they be? You should have reasons for assumptions like these.

Star_King_Demon_Lord said:
addition to Invulnerability and Intangibility (Can't be damaged)
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I don't remember there being much of a reason for the invunerabily to not be just them being incredibly durable. I think you could make the argument considering the mechanics, but like, they're definitely not intangible.
 
DMUA said:
... I mean like, it's still a soul. If they can interact with a soul (especially under verse equalization as is standard on this wiki) I don't see why they wouldn't be able to interact with a fluctlight like this. And if you want to argue that quantum stuff makes it fundamentally distinct from a normal soul, then wouldn't the verse's soul manipulation in turn become inapplicable on everyone?
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This will probably be only applied to the people using the STLs and Alice since we know she also has a fluctlight (If she has one, then everybody else in the Underworld should have one too). Everything else was pretty much taken care of.
 
I honestly think the NEP should be possibly NEP. Question, do you know what a black hole is? They're dying stars that had all their mass crushed into an infinitesimal speck called a singularity, and the singularity forms an Event Horizon. The thing is, the Black part, or the event horizon, isn't even the black hole, it's the singularity. And black holes even evaporate over time through hawking radiation. Hawking Radiation works by the black hole losing it's particles over 1000s upon 1000s upon 1000s of years. The nonexistence/void part could warrent a possible nep type 1, but the Black Hole part is a no in my book.

Fine with the rest of the stuff though, kinda agree with DMUA on the soul part though. And EE is just void manip. That's just my few cents though
 
Problemexe said:
This will probably be only applied to the people using the STLs and Alice since we know she also has a fluctlight (If she has one, then everybody else in the Underworld should have one too).
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That doesn't answer anything I just said.
 
DMUA said:
That doesn't answer anything I just said.
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Oblivion_Of_The_Endless said:
Being a void of nothing is textbook Type 1 NEP going by how the site treats it, so yeah

Going to note that this is not really how it works. Etheldrea has Unconventional resistance to soul and concept manip due to her soul being made of her concept. Her body is still made of normal matter, its not conceptual (her soul is) but we still give them resistance to concept manip. Same case here.
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Souls in Anima are just concepts and she resists it because she resists attacks to her soul. I think only Kirito has ever taken damage to the Fluctlight, and he very barely didn't die, and proceeded to go into a vegetative state for 6 months until he was healed by

... Like, probably incarnation? I legit don't remember how he came back but I doubt there's a complete lack of explaination. Long and short is that nearly dying is no more resistance than nearly dying to a car crash is 9-B durability.

I guess you could argue their soul is matter though, and thus they'd at least resist soul manipulation, probably.
 
DMUA said:
Souls in Anima are just concepts and she resists it because she resists attacks to her soul. I think only Kirito has ever taken damage to the Fluctlight, and he very barely didn't die, and proceeded to go into a vegetative state for 6 months until he was healed by

... Like, probably incarnation? I legit don't remember how he came back but I doubt there's a complete lack of explaination. Long and short is that nearly dying is no more resistance than nearly dying to a car crash is 9-B durability.

I guess you could argue their soul is matter though, and thus they'd at least resist soul manipulation, probably.
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High-Godly Regen for SAO or I'm just dumb
 
This type of thing is why Gabriel loves ending human lives

To give a more legit answer, Fluctlights aren't concepts, Anima is an entirely different thing that was inordinately utilized as an example, and Kirito couldn't bring himself back from the dead, a bunch of people had to come together for it

And at that his Fluctlight wasn't even completely destroyed to begin with just fried to the point of vegetation so
 
Oh also

Star_King_Demon_Lord said:
and possibly 5-A AP due to shaking every stars in the universe:
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Alice isn't any stronger at the end of alictzation than she is in the war, she had absolutely no time to gain power and you'd have to be out of your mind to suggest she's that strong in the war as opposed to this just being Flowery language (especially considering the anime showed no such thing)
Star_King_Demon_Lord said:
(He is merged with Kirito)
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... So like, how is he supposed to fight on his own then? In fact if he's just a part of Kirito at that point then I don't really see how he'd even have these statistic as his own self.
 
DMUA said:
Oh also


Alice isn't any stronger at the end of alictzation than she is in the war, she had absolutely no time to gain power and you'd have to be out of your mind to suggest she's that strong in the war as opposed to this just being Flowery language (especially considering the anime showed no such thing)

... So like, how is he supposed to fight on his own then? In fact if he's just a part of Kirito at that point then I don't really see how he'd even have these statistic as his own self.
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Hai Hai. We already covered that they won’t get these stuff.
 
So i think until now:
  • most people agree with Void manip, i'm the only one neutral
  • Ionliosite and me both disagree with EE
  • DMUA disagree with Unconventional Resistance
  • Ned the outer god think NEP should be a Possibly rather than a full-blow/solid NEP
  • Alice and Eugen stuff is KO
So what is your opinion Problemexe
 
Vietthai96 said:
So i think until now:
  • most people agree with Void manip, i'm the only one neutral
  • Ionliosite and me both disagree with EE
  • DMUA disagree with Unconventional Resistance
  • Ned the outer god think NEP should be a Possibly rather than a full-blow/solid NEP
  • Alice and Eugen stuff is KO
So what is your opinion Problemexe
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  • Void Manipulation seems like it’s accepted
  • E.E. seems rejected
  • Pretty sure we worked it out saying that their souls are matter
  • NEP should be solid
  • Alice and Eugeo stuff are KO’d instead of upgrading Alice’s Range
 
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