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Well, Genos allowing him do that shouldn't nuke the feat, unless he can make parts of his body less durable, which I don't remember being the case
Garou should scale to Genos
Garou should scale to Genos
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This was also while Garou was practically on his deathbed.
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That should probably warrant either an at least or likely higher but I dunno
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Why we scale Genos physicals to the JDA again ?
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Because JDA is a physical attack and that Geno's should have comparable to Dura to it, as he is generally comparable to his attacks, and the only time he's a glass cannon is in the MA raid arc
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Isn't it better to fix things about speed after we move on to that? The speed thing just needs approval from a mod as far as I know
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I guess ask Qawsed back here. Pretty much everyone agrees with speed so far
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@Qawsedf234 Come friend
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Why exactly?
I think this is far more objetctive. Don't get me wrong, I want Garou to be stronger, but it doesn't seem too accurate.
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His striking strength should scale to his physical AP
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I think Genos can separate limbs from his body willingly. Every option is headcanon tbh, but didn't seem like it broke, like against Elder Centipede, as he was able to reatatch it later on.
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You don't have a way to prove that. For all we know, JDA or SIC could be leagues above his physical strength.
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His leg was able to withstand the force of the attack, his durability should scale to it and a lot of his attacks are comparable to his durability. Dr Genus states discomfort when Geno's asked for all his MA raid body to be all offense and less defense, implying he balances both aspects in previous upgrades
His leg was able to withstand the force of the attack, his durability should scale to it and a lot of his attacks are comparable to his durability. Dr Genus states discomfort when Geno's asked for all his MA raid body to be all offense and less defense, implying he balances both aspects in previous upgrades
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That could be because the difference was MASSIVE in that form. I don't think High 7-C to Low 7-B is such a gap to be called unbalanced.
I was rereading the Garou and Genos fight and I noticed that when Garou rips his arm off, we can see small pieces of metal, so maybe he broke it after all.
You may be right, and as Lord Tracer said before, SIC could be way stronger than the calc, as narratively speaking it should be above JDA.
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Copying this post from an earlier thread.
Even if Genos were only Large Town level+ in terms of physical ability, a peak Garou would vastly upscale from that, leading into Small City level.
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Going with this too.
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Why? Genos is physically comparable to Tanktop Master according to Garou himself. And Tanktop Master is very likely physically stronger than Human Garou due to him being beaten because he was outmatched in terms of martial art skills rather than being overpowered with raw strength.
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the quote post explains why.
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Well he can withstand it, sure, but I don't see him with physical Striking Strength at that level
Unless he can harm people that can tank his TDA, or close enough to that
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I edited my post.
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That's like stamina and willpower feats rather than AP feats.
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The Garou at the time of fighting Genos was capable of keeping up with him, even clashing with him, halting his attacks, even the rocket-propelled ones, kicking him into the wall, and ripping off his arm, despite being virtually near-death as a result of poison, intense blood loss, stab wounds and bullet holes in his body, exhaustion, sickness (the fever mentioned earlier), his dwindling stamina resulting from his non-stop combat, and his broken physical condition, struggling to see, think, or even stand properly, and his rapidly diminishing strength. A broken, tattered, and physically inept Garou could keep up and put up a good fight against Genos, and because of that, a Garou in peak condition would significantly upscale, which makes sense in conjunction with my next points.
Garou did not beat Tanktop Master solely because he outclassed him in combat ability. Garou was able to withstand a Tanktop Tackle and land on his feet, and survived an essentially bloodlusted punch to the face from Tanktop Master before using Water Stream Rock Smashing Fist and pummeling him into a wall. Hell, after Tanktop Master got back up from his beating and attempted to protect his posse, Garou knocked him out with a casual strike to the face, without using the WSRSF. The Water Stream Rock Smashing Fist does not increase the user's strength, so yes, Garou did overpower Tanktop Master, with relative ease at that.
And, remember, Garou vs. Tanktop Master was at the beginning of his hero hunt. Garou has since grown much stronger as a result of his rapid growth and evolution over the course of the hero hunt. It only does not appear that way because, in his last few fights, he was already exhausted and sickly before being poisoned, stabbed, shot, and exhausted, leaving him far from his full strength.
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I disagree with this, it is not safe to assume that he is that much stronger than Genos to be upscaled to Low 7-B even he is at his peak, I believe that was more like stamina and willpower feats. Garou needed to use multiple strikes to take down Tanktop Master, not to mention, he targeted his vital spots. Tanktop Master mentioned his issue with Garou to Saitama is that Garou is stronger than him because of his combat ability, not physical strength, it is likely the case.
I don't disagree with this, but the issue is Human Garou only has one key. So if we upgrade him to Low 7-B physically for being able to hold his own very well against stronger opponents despite being in a very weakened state. That makes Tanktop Master, Genos be Low 7-B physicals as well.
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High 7-C to Low 7-B?
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Human Garou’s key should definitely be Varies like his Half-Monster key, it’s honestly surprising that we haven’t done that yet
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That is my headcanon as well. After all, Genos did just bury himself to lure Garou in, so it would be in character for Genos to set a trap that boosts Garou's confidence and allows him to take him by surprise.
What I've been saying is that there's a big difference between the machine gun blows Garou took and Jet Drive Arrow, it's a difference of effort. Jet Drive Arrow doesn't boost Genos's AP, it's just Genos giving his 100% with a drop kick. If he wanted to, he could have used Jet Drive Arrow or moves like Jet Drive Straight (Jet Nice Guy literally uses this against Rhino Wrestler, Genos should be capable of it) against Garou. In fact, he could have hit Garou with ultra spiral incineration cannon when he was tied to the tree. But he just used a one-handed incineration cannon. That was because Genos did not respect Garou enough to use his 100% to kill him.
Genos was trying to kill Garou but he wasn't using all his energy to do so. To use a dramatic comparison, if I was trying to kill a rat, I wouldn't put my full energy into it since I wouldn't need it. I would try and stomp on it instead of using flying knees, full body tackles and hammerfists (which would be the most energetic moves I could pull off).
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I have problems with this notion because literally nothing in their fight implies that. To assume Genos wasn’t going all-out would be headcanon, especially when all the information we’re given is that he wants to kill Garou.
And despite this, a horribly fatigued and weakened Garou is able to clash with Genos, tank numerous hits (hits that we have tiered at Low 7-B) from him and rip his arm off. If you want to say horribly fatigued forest Garou downscales, whatever, but a full strength human Garou absolutely scales, if not upscales.
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Why didn't he use JDA and spiral incineration cannon attacks against him from the get-go, if he needed his full power to kill Garou?
Garou detached a detachable arm that Genos probably let him detach.
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Garou was not holding back PHYSICALLY, but if he wanted he could have used JDA or SIC. He probably thought it was hard to charge the attacks and decided for an exchange.
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This is exactly what I'm thinking, Garou can deflect more powerful attacks but he has a hard time keeping up with spammed attacks from multiple angles. Genos could attack Garou with more powerful attacks, but if weaker attacks can do the job, are less energy intensive and are harder to block, it only makes sense to spam machine gun blows and incinerates to soften Garou up.
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He didn’t have the time to charge them, for one. And we have Genos’ basic punches at Low 7-B, basic punches that Garou took, so again, unless you say Genos’ normal punches are lower than Low 7-B, Garou has to scale.
Genos letting him do it is not actually stated in the manga, so that can’t be used as evidence.
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A supporting evidence is that we actually see Genos' pieces being broken when Garou rips his arm off.
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Right, he wouldn't have the time per se. I'm saying Genos's punches are probably High 7-C+, downscaling from JDA since they aren't charged attacks. Basically, I would rate Genos's durability, striking strength (with charged attacks) and AP (with charged attacks, ultra spiral incineration cannon and possibly other moves) Low 7-B.
If we must assume Garou tore Genos's arm off without any assistance, then yes Garou will have to be Low 7-B, since he would need to hit harder than JDA to tear that arm off.
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If Genos’ normal attacks downscale, then that needs to be noted on the profile instead of just saying he’s Low 7-B all the way. But if his dura scales, then Garou has to scale for ripping his arm off.
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From what you've said right now, it would be more consistent in my mind to upscale Garou to low 7-B to JDA. I suppose everyone else now has to upscale to Low 7-B, which is want I wanted to avoid because I've held EC genos a cut above nearly all high demons (exceptions being Hundred Eyes Octopus, Bug God).
If we upscale Garou, then Royal Ripper, Bug God, Watchdog Man and Tanktop Master should also upscale to Low 7-B. This also raises Pumped Up Metal Bat higher into Low 7-B
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