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Am I just misrembering something? Because I can't remember them stating they could destroy Marineford island with a single earthquake.
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I don't remember any such statement myself, but I could be forgetting something.Am I just misrembering something? Because I can't remember them stating they could destroy Marineford island with a single earthquake.
I thought that it wasn't that the strength of the Devil Fruit would get more powerful over time, but that the user will be able to learn new things to do with it and be creative with the power.On the matter of Blackbeard not destroying the island in one fell swoop being an anti-feat, just want to point out that the longer a user has a fruit the more powerful it becomes, because they learn how to use it to it's fullest potential. Blackbeard no matter how strong he is isn't gonna compare right away to a dude who's been holding for like, what, 40 years at the very least by now?
Yes, that's what "learning to use the fruit to it's fullest potential" was meant to be. Sorry for the misunderstanding.I thought that it wasn't that the strength of the Devil Fruit would get more powerful over time, but that the user will be able to learn new things to do with it and be creative with the power.
I just remember it being mentioned somewhere along the thread as a reason against 6-B. I'm neutral on it personally, just would like to point that out.Am I just misrembering something? Because I can't remember them stating they could destroy Marineford island with a single earthquake.
I disagree, the Gura Gura no Mi is one of the easiest DFs to use in the series, it is simple in concept and effect. But, just like every other akuma no mi, i think it is better to say that it scales to the user, even if this one scales above. Basically, i am saying i don't agree with the thought of Teach being unable to use 100% of the fruit, but there is no reason to think his 100% is as strong as Newgate's 100%.On the matter of Blackbeard not destroying the island in one fell swoop being an anti-feat, just want to point out that the longer a user has a fruit the more powerful it becomes, because they learn how to use it to it's fullest potential. Blackbeard no matter how strong he is isn't gonna compare right away to a dude who's been holding for like, what, 40 years at the very least by now?
You're not wrong.Technically speaking I don't think this example counts because Whitebeard is directing the force of his attack upwards, towards Aokiji, and there is nothing else in the sky for him to damage.
But anyway - you've done a good breakdown of Whitebeard's showing of AP feats and Area of Effect feats, but I still don't think it makes sense to scale the rest of the God Tiers to Whitebeard's strongest showing of his Devil Fruit power (a showing that wasn't used for AP against any individual, but just to create tsunamis), given that the rest of his showings with are consistently much lower.
For characters like Kaido and Big Mom at least, it makes more sense to scale them off of their actual feats instead of relying on the hype they get as being part of the Yonkou.
Regarding Whitebeard's / Blackbeard's tier, I would be okay with them being rated as "6-C, possibly 6-B" until we get more clarification as to their exact level of strength. I don't doubt that we'll get some more genuine feats from Blackbeard in the future using Whitebeard's Devil Fruit.
These characters like the Yonkou are "God Tiers", but they're not so unreachably high above the rest of the verse that their ratings should be as high as 6-B, compared to everybody else who are multiple tiers below them. I know not everyone has the same standards on what counts as an outlier or not, but this is my view on it.
Agree with thisTechnically speaking I don't think this example counts because Whitebeard is directing the force of his attack upwards, towards Aokiji, and there is nothing else in the sky for him to damage.
But anyway - you've done a good breakdown of Whitebeard's showing of AP feats and Area of Effect feats, but I still don't think it makes sense to scale the rest of the God Tiers to Whitebeard's strongest showing of his Devil Fruit power (a showing that wasn't used for AP against any individual, but just to create tsunamis), given that the rest of his showings with are consistently much lower.
For characters like Kaido and Big Mom at least, it makes more sense to scale them off of their actual feats instead of relying on the hype they get as being part of the Yonkou.
Regarding Whitebeard's / Blackbeard's tier, I would be okay with them being rated as "6-C, possibly 6-B" until we get more clarification as to their exact level of strength. I don't doubt that we'll get some more genuine feats from Blackbeard in the future using Whitebeard's Devil Fruit.
These characters like the Yonkou are "God Tiers", but they're not so unreachably high above the rest of the verse that their ratings should be as high as 6-B, compared to everybody else who are multiple tiers below them. I know not everyone has the same standards on what counts as an outlier or not, but this is my view on it.
Disagree with this.Okay, it seems like the consensus is we put Whitebeard and Blackbeard as "6-C, possibly 6-B", and for the time being the rest of the God Tier characters will be baseline 6-C.
To be honest, I was going to suggest holding off on including the Kaido feat in revisions until either the official release came out, or the next chapter came out to see if we'd get any more context for the feat or Kaido's abilities.
I don't want to dismiss the feat entirely, but I think we should probably hold off on it and upgrading Kaido until the current fight is resolved.
in what you disagree?Disagree with this.
Okay, it seems like the consensus is we put Whitebeard and Blackbeard as "6-C, possibly 6-B", and for the time being the rest of the God Tier characters will be baseline 6-C.
@Damage3245So one thing ill say about the WB and BB is that I think their rating should maybe look something like “6-C physically. At least 6-C, possibly 6-B via Gura Gura no Mi” or something like that.
but the problem is that WB uses his DV all the time, like, almost every punch that WB throws he uses his DV too@Damage3245
I think this suggestion might be worth considering as well.
Yeah, ok, i don't have much to say about itYes but its been shown the power of the Gura Gura can be vary varied with the weaker attacks being basically equal to his physical attacks just with better AoE and then the strongest attack is obviously 6-B.
HereKaido and the other Yonko (EXCEPT BLACKBEARD) should be "6-C+". But we also need a calculation for Kaido's most recent feat of lifting Onigashima, if that hasn't been done already.
Oh, thanks. That's a great supporting feat then, but we'll probably have to wait and see a better perspective of the island since the height is slightly inaccurate to the angled view.
I like the second option better in that case, but shouldn't only Whitebeard and Blackbeard have the 6-B ED rating?@Antvasima; this is the conclusion so far. Though rating them as "6-C, 6-B via environmental destruction" could also work.
The opinion of the Admirals being > Doflamingo has yet to be cemented in canon material, thus any suggestion that they should solidly be above Doflamingo is invalid.“Aokiji, Akainu, and Kizaru will all scale equal or above Doflamingo” I completely disagree with any notion of Doffy being on par with the OG Admirals, the two new ones I agree with but not the OG Trio.
Imo the OG Admirals should be “At least High 7-A, likely 6-C”
Shanks lost an arm and became a Yonko.Yes, WB wasn't at his best (obviously), but I don't see a real reason why he'd drop tiers in strength because of his injuries. This has never been the case in OP, and characters always fight at near full capacity even with debilitating injuries.
Exactly, and to add to my earlier points, WB's attack that landed on Akainu's head and torso should also have a degree of durability negation to it due to the nature of the Gura Gura no Mi, making the attacks that he withstood even more devastating.Shanks lost an arm and became a Yonko.
Kaido got an old wound reopened, bled all around, then bodied a bunch of swordsmen and casually did a 6-C feat.
Luffy got hammered all day then 2 shot Katakuri.
Luffy went gear 2nd and 3rd, tired as hell, then bodied Lucci.
I agree with this point 1,000,000%.
Yes, but Haki circumvents Logia intangibility AFAIK.Yeah, i agree, but Akainu has regen, no?
Marco has the best regen in the show and was still bruised by GarpYeah, i agree, but Akainu has regen, no?