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GarrixianXD
You need to go outside and touch some fresh air.
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Free cuz of winter vacation 👀, also I am already at my grandmother house in countryside rn, so getting fresh air everyday.
Pedonar
About this thread, Can you give your opinion on this?

One of the mods agreed with what you said, but Franz thinks that Worlds should be higher

GarrixianXD said:
Hmmm... if I recall correctly, the principle of an overarching timeline comes when... eh, let me make an analogy:

Timeline A encompasses Timeline B, and Timeline A is been said to have its own time axis separate from Timeline B. Timeline A, as depicted as being a superior structure, contains Timeline A, and since Timeline B acts like a subset of Timeline A, manipulating the time and time travelling in Timeline A will also affect Timeline B as a byproduct. However, if manipulating the time in Timeline B and time travelling only in Timeline B, Timeline A won't be remotely affected at all. Hence, Timeline A is a hyper-timeline / overarching timeline and, therefore has a second time axis orthogonal to the main time axis that is inter-governed and parallelly aligned with Timeline B.
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This is pretty correct except that an overarching timeline does not have two time axes, but only one, the latter being orthogonal to the time axes of the dimensions it contains and acting as you described.

To quote Profectus' post:
Also, since I don’t believe anyone’s asked you this directly, I might as well pose the question now. Say we have a multiverse encompassed by an overarching timeline. Obviously, this isn’t inherently Low 1-C since the overarching timeline can be a single time dimension servicing all of space-time. Let’s say however, that the lesser timelines are confirmed to harbor their own time dimensions. Would you then consider the overarching timeline to be a higher time dimension, and would you consider it an additional direction? If not, is supporting evidence like the examples you gave needed for specific ratings, or is it merely an alternative form of evidence?
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DT's answer:
Depends on what exactly dimension means in this context. Like, if it's very strictly mathematical to the point that we can conclude that they don't point in the same direction, then it would be fine. However, per default and I suspect in most cases we would find, I would instead assume it means they each have their own flow of time which may change independently of each other.

Good evidence can come in many forms and would need case-by-case evaluation. My examples are just about the only cases I could come up with that would be sufficient.
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The second time axis already falls into the case of a hypertimeline and the thing with time travel is generally used to show that the second axis is orthogonal and has a time-like development. The principle of the hypertimeline is that during time travel, new timelines of the Multiverse are created on the second time axis.
GarrixianXD said:
^^Is your case something like this?
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Overall I would say yes, the aspect of the stories and the fact that each dimension has its time axis would guarantee the fact that affecting the time axis of a microcosm will not affect that of the macrocosm but on the contrary the time of the macrocosm can affect that of the microcosms (proven with time travel on the World-lines). And yes it's the same as what you mentioned when considering World-lines and the Universe, where time travel didn't affect the Universe but just a World-line and so by extension all dimensions will have a similar characteristic.
ShakeResounding
Hello, Elizhaa!

Long and short of it is that Metal Sonic used the Chaos Emeralds to transform into Super, granting him a "potentially 1-C" rating. When you get a chance, here's the thread.

Thank you, and stay safe!
Jamesthetaker
Hi Ovens, could you please tag some staff members in this Hibiki revision? Thanks in advance
Jamesthetaker
Jamesthetaker
Heya, sorry for bothering you again, but could you please tag some staff in the Hibiki thread?
Jamesthetaker
Jamesthetaker
Hey, Ovens, do you want to comment on the Hibiki thread? Two staff members have already expressed their opinions, so I need one more to complete the thread.
SweetDao
Hello Dereck, I have a question.

If in a verse, the magic system is stated to be the "manipulation of probabilities" again and again, going in-depth as to explain, for example, that to make a wind attack you manipulate the probabilities of the surrounding air molecules and such, that should give anyone using magic probability manipulation, correct?

However, since ultimately, all the spells that are derived from that "manipulation of probabilities" are just consequences of that manipulation, would that mean we'll still index them as something different? Like wind manipulation, fire manipulation, ...
Dereck03
Dereck03
Honestly, the most reasonable thing to do here would be to index it as Wind Manip (via Prob. Mani. <Insert explanation here>, since you are not actually manipulating these elements as such, but the probabilities to use them.

It honestly seems like a burden to deal with such feats, so I can only wish you luck.
SweetDao
Hello Bambu, I have a question.

If in a verse, the magic system is stated to be the "manipulation of probabilities" again and again, going in-depth as to explain, for example, that to make a wind attack you manipulate the probabilities of the surrounding air molecules and such, that should give anyone using magic probability manipulation, correct?

However, since ultimately, all the spells that are derived from that "manipulation of probabilities" are just consequences of that manipulation, would that mean we'll still index them as something different? Like wind manipulation, fire manipulation,...
Mr. Bambu
Mr. Bambu
Weird call. I'd say you index them as probability and the thing affected (wind, fire, what have you), but I'd like to ask: is it still based on spells/specialties/etc? So, a character might be better at manipulating fire compared to wind? If that's the case, I'd be more confident saying that it ought to be listed as both, as it indicates some inclination towards the abilities outside of the broad manipulation of probabilities.
SweetDao
SweetDao
Well, for example, a character could only be able to use low-level spells (wind blade, fireball, ...) while others could do stuff a bit more extreme like cutting space or rewinding time.

Technically, "everyone" would be able to do what others do, the problem is the magical power of individual and controlling the mana itself. Let me show you a paragraph so you can understand:
"I just manipulated the movement of the air around my finger. I synchronized the random movement of the molecules that make up the air in one direction. As I said, this is a manipulation of probability, and this phenomenon can occur naturally. Of course, it is only possible probabilistically, so in reality, this kind of phenomenon will never occur naturally. Magic is basically like this, so it cannot cause something that is absolutely impossible to happen."
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"Hmm... I'll cut it short then. That was called causal magic. This is just a manipulation of probability, so it cannot change the properties of matter. For example, for water, the melting point at one atmosphere is 10 degrees, the boiling point is 100 degrees, and the density at 4 degrees is 1.00g/cm3, but this itself cannot be changed. When you use magic to boil water, you don't lower the boiling point to the air temperature, but raise the temperature of the water to 100 degrees."
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Mr. Bambu
Mr. Bambu
Hesitantly say that they would get the abilities displayed by the applications of their probability manipulation, then.
Richard5128pm
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According to Ant, Ultima is busy with their irl studies, so even if I reply to Catzflame and everyone else, there is no point in dragging this for so long when the VIP, aka Ultima, is missing.

I think it would be better to wait until Ultima is free.
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Richard5128pm
Agreed
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