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Da3ggman
Hey Chariot, totally out of the blue random, but would you happen to know if we use 20km average for the horizon? Or do we calculate it using the horizon calculator? Figured I’d ask you since you’re like, one of the best guy I’ve seen when it comes to calcing stuff.
Chariot190
Chariot190
20km is generally what we use for ground lv stuff. If you're super high af tho you should calc it (If you're way below the horizon line like in a hole or some shit idk, calc it then too).

Like you could calc it either way if you want to, but 20km is like the default placeholder that nobody will get on your ass for if it's around ground lv.
Da3ggman
Da3ggman
Thanks bro, appreciate it!
Random-Helper323
Hi, I felt like I was clogging the versus thread, so I thought I'd message you here.

This is the revision thread for Senran Kagura.

As described in the OP, Jasmine is beaten twice.

Feat 1: First is a one on one between Yumi and a fairly sick Jasmine, which happens right after Yumi gets a power boost which has the other girls in awe. Rusty is arguing that it's irrelevant due to Jasmine being sick. Technically the blood coughing is a sickness she already has as Sayuri (probably from smoking like a human chimney). This interpretation seemed questionable to me, since Jasmine is literally tiered as being more than 10 million times stronger than Yumi, at 7 Gigatons versus 550 tons.

Feat 2: Rusty basically disregarded everything I said by bringing up the DLC where Sayuri fights all 23 students. He chose not to engage with anything else. Ironically it turned out to support the earlier fight, since in the one where you fight as the students Sayuri turns into Jasmine (and she's fresh this time) and still loses, with the cutscene subsequently showing Yumi as the one standing right in front of her afterwards.

It seems to me that one of two scenarios has to be true here: either end-game Yumi compares in some way to Jasmine, or 550 tons X 23 somehow won against 7 gigatons, and Jasmine became more than 10 million times weaker due to her coughing, notably weaker even than her old lady form which also has that same sickness.
Viott
Can this be calculated as LS?
TheRustyOne
TheRustyOne
I don't see any images here.
Viott
Viott
Sakamoto jumps and lands on a plane and tilts it hard enough to propel a man on the other side into the air
Dragongod224
Hello, can you please give your input on this thread? It's been months since this thread was created, and only one staff member has given their input. So, if you could give your input, it would be appreciated. Thanks."
Phoenks
Phoenks
Nah, I have given up on DxD after I saw how far it'd been wanked in my absence lmfao. Completely nonsensical stuff over there.
Dragongod224
Hello, can you please give your input on this thread? It's been months since this thread was created, and only one staff member has given their input. So, if you could give your input, it would be appreciated. Thanks."
Dragongod224
Hello, can you please give your input on this dxd ability thread? It's been months since this thread was created, and only one staff member has given their input. Since you also help with other dxd threads, it would be appreciated, if you could give your input, Thanks."
Unoriginal777
Hello Astral,

You probably recognize me as the random guy from the Infinite Multiversal Space Container thread, but I wanted to take a moment out to say that I really liked your take on the issue in your own comment and found it to be a well thought out and informed addition to the conversation. Now that being said I am curious about your thoughts as to my take on the issue found in my aforementioned first comment.

In any case, thank you in advance for hearing me out.

Sincerely,
Unoriginal777
Astral_Trinity439
Astral_Trinity439
Glad you liked it!
Now, moving on to your post:
Now that being said, after carefully reviewing the wiki standards I have what I think to be a slight criticism of the current tier 2 standards. Namely when those standards move beyond the basic Low 2-C reference point. So say someone is trying to push for 2-A which is represented by characters who can “significantly affect, create and/or destroy a countably infinite number of separate space-time continuums." Now I think we would all agree that the space/void which fits these timelines would itself be 2-A at least (given what it fits). However, say you have a verse that has the void and the statement of being infinitely greater than the notion of space-time continuums. Well to my shock, what typically happens is people take the following view.
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Well, strictly speaking, a Void is something that lacks space and time, per the Void Manipulation page, and things like Empty spaces that exist in-between universes are not classified as voids in the literal sense, they are just called that out of convenience.

Now, regarding your statement itself, if we assume a Void as lacking Spatio-temporal characteristics, then a void that is such and yet also infinitely bigger is bound to be 1-A instead, per our BDE2 definitions, provided there are no anti-feats, of course.

However, looking at the CRT you linked, the only proof I see is of said Demon World being infinite in size, it does not suggest anything like it containing the human world or another separate space-time, just some pocket dimensions that are never confirmed to be different space-times all in all.
As such, even if the verse in question logically could/should be eligible to fit those infinite space-times in the container, because the container itself doesn’t specify a multiverse, it is then rejected and placed subjectively into 2-C as being "vaguely" above Low 2-C. This notion is one which has always struck me as strangely peculiar seeing as the logic when applied to other tiers that deal in similarly infinite spaces/pocket dimensions doesn’t hold up. For example, at the High-3A tier it is not required that a specified infinite content is demonstrated/shown as much as the fact that the cosmological structure/space itself stretches on infinitely regardless of its demonstrated contents.
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This is pretty much staff opinion, and all in all, it does not go against the standards, strictly speaking, as there are no set standards for Infinite spaces outside Space-times. However, technically speaking, per what I think, if Space exists outside a Space-Time that contains that Space-Time and is bigger than it, then it is bound to be 2-A by mathematics. And in case it is also infinite, that is naturally low 1-C.
For example, from what I’ve heard from hearsay (even in this thread) the typical reasoning why simply being “infinite” in comparison to a confirmed 2-C space is “not enough” for tier 2-A is the fact that because the distance between tier 2 constructs is technically infinite (seeing as tier 2 constructs are themselves infinite due to their 4D status for lack of better term) a claim to being infinitely larger then a space-time continuum should then be ignored as follows.
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And I disagree with that, too, for the same reason as what I described in the CRT itself.
A line is, for example, infinite, and the space between two non-overlapping lines in a 2-A plane, despite being finite and insignificant in 2-D perspective, is enough to fit a countably infinite amount of such lines.
Extending that to 4D space-times embedded inside 5D Space, a 5D insignificant space that contains multiple space-times should also be 2-A.
Nevertheless, I think there’s a problem with this line of reasoning as well in that it fails from a perspectival sense. Think of it this way, we all acknowledge that time-spaces are infinite given their 4D constitution with the addition of a temporal axis. However, the fact we can count said universes which are infinite constructs in blatantly finite terms in all tier 2 standards (as seen in tiers, Low 2-C, 2-C, 2-B, and 2-A) means that it shouldn’t have to be a blurry topic when we have a confirmed Low 2-C space and a space containing it which is infinitely larger then it as by acknowledging the notion of a space-time continuum at all an author is technically taking a God’s eye view from a 4D perspective which trivializes the 4D construct to a finite object to count. This is a very similar concept to how one counts higher infinities and differentiates them from say the infinite amount of decimals between 1 and 2 and the infinite amount of decimals between 1 and infinity; a cornerstone of VSBW as a whole given what we know of Set Theory.

So for the sake of consistency I believe the best path forward would be to alter the tier 2-C, 2-B, and 2-A standards with the add-on that a verse may also qualify for these rankings should they prove capable of affecting spaces/pocket dimensions that can imitate a multiverse containing 2 to 1000 universes, 1001 to any higher finite amount, and especially spaces that can contain infinite universes despite not showing direct evidence of containing said amount of universes in their expanse because size is the be all, end all of the issue when scaling a dimension of sorts. Not the inside contents or else we'd need to turn that level of scrutiny towards standards for scaling similarly infinite spaces like those in the High 3-A classification.
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Same as what I said at the start, so we share nearly the same sentiment in this.
Tho, note that, for the highlighted 3 words, I would like to assume that you meant 4D Space-times there, which I agree to. Though, Spaces outside the Universe that are shown to be literally infinite should straight up be low 1-C.
Lort15
Ddm made his respond sir ovens liked my miraculous post is this enough for my crt to get accepted?
TWILIGHT-OP
TWILIGHT-OP
Liking isn't enough, need his approval in crt.
Lort15
Lort15
Ah damn, then we have to wait
KaydeeX
hey considering the way you index tiers
7-B | At least 6-C, possibly Low 6-B, at least 6-C, possibly Low 6-B with Byakugō
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won’t it be better as
7-B | At least 6-C, possibly Low 6-B, higher with Byakugō
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since it gets rid of unnecessary spaces (it’s the same tier only a bit higher)
I noticed this in tsunade, hashirama and minato (could be more)
MinatoSparkle
MinatoSparkle
It's kinda important cause different values are listed, but ig I could only do that for the AP section and not the tiers idk. I'll bring it up and see what others think in the thread later.
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Dereck03
If you asked me for input in a thread and I haven't answered these days, sorry, I'm working and the internet is also garbage (less than a MBps). I have seen a lot of bumps and threads already finished, so you better post your request again on my wall. I will try to check it as soon as possible.

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