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Garou vs Natsu Dragneel

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This time it's a Garou vs Natsu.


Versions for both of them - Note (Natsu's 7-A version is the second one)

Garou - Peak Human Garou

Natsu - Post Second Timeskip


Speed is now equalize

Location : Marineford


Garou - 9 (10) (Knightofannihilation666, Theglassman12, LordAizenSama, Yomi Schwarz, Zensum, Unite My Rice, Bepo4151, KuuIchigo, Fllflourine, Gargoyle One (I think))

Natsu - 1 (WilliamShadow)
 
Ok how far is Natsu on the mountain level scale?


I think I'll have to give this to Garou via superior skill, precog ( Albeit very limited.) , reactive evolution , attack reflection and possibly higher AP and Durability.


Actually idk about the speed thing here. I don't think Irene's meteor feat was a thing at this point meaning Natsu wouldn't be mach 7000 or whatever it is. ( Please fell free to correct me.)
 
I don't really know how far Natsu is on the mountain level scale. Perhaps BFF, William or Scarlet knows. I also don't know about the meteor feat.

I'll take your reasonings as a vote

Garou - 1 (Knightofannihilation666)

Natsu - 0
 
Erza's speed feat is legit, but her AP not cause it contradicts rest of the series.

Anyway, Garou i think could be at max 4K if he is around equal tornado while Natsu is at least 6,9k scailing from a weakened Erza. So you need to equalise.

Natsu is around mid and Garou is around high-mid scale so he would have some AP advantage, thou I would give this to Natsu as Garou can't do anything against Natsu's range attacks and his attack reflection is limited on physical punches while Natsu's fire would still hit him(which is the important part) and also because Natsu already dealt with a person that controlled his flames so he knows what to do in this cases.

In general Natsu only has to keep a meter or two of distance and he wins without too much trouble also because human Garou can't go any further with his AP as this version of him reached his peak and Garou's precognition is just reading muscles movements which won't be from help against someone who has range advantage and can just spam range attacks until Garou goes down.
 
Lol that's true. In that case Garou would blitz so you need to equalise anyway.

This Natsu is from battle with Jacob only.
 
Since speed is now equalized

@Knight and William , you guys still voting for Garou and Natsu?

@Magaruradyne Mind providing a reasoning?
 
Erza's speed from that meteor calc shouldn't even be accepted for the same reason the ap is not. It's an outlier. All her freaking bones were broken so how she could even move is obvious (cough PIS cough).

Anyways, Garou via superior skill and reactive evolution.
 
Wow.

Anyway, time to debate.

Garou's AP and Natsu's AP are around the same, but Natsu is a BRAWLER, and while I know this is a fictional matchup, that is the exact opposite of Garou's fighting style who's more defensive considering his training came from Bang and his fight against Batter.

Reactive Evolution takes care of any Magic flames he encounters, and he'll ultimately win in a battle of attrition.
 
@Kul

1. Her right arm was perfectly fine and it was an obvious hyperbole as Erza was able to walk minutes after that.

2. She used an armor on her hand to boost herself and gain speed and not simply her own strength.

3. It's a verse where people were outpacing lightning in chapter 30 and the feat happens more than 500 chapters later so I don't see a single reason why they couldn't get that fast.
 
Burning Full Fingers said:
Indeed. Don't see how it's an outlier for a verse where they've been Mach 1000+ since early on.
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Mach 1000+ and mach 6000+ is a pretty big jump. And that's not the issue. The issue is how the feat happened and the amount of PIS in it.
 
It's actually 1200+ and no it's not a big jump if you consider the series starts at 1,2k and ends 500 chapters later on 6k. And those feats were done by people that are weaker than Erza or at least were back then and by a good amount.

than there is also the sub-relativistic attack and the fact the AP could be revisited as the fact Erza used a piercing attack so her AP should of been lower than the AP of the meteor.

Why is it PIS thou? Erza using an armor to gain additional speed doesn't seem pis at all.

Saying everything in the battle is PIS just because Irene was nerfed is too much.
 
Using an armor whenever your opponents beats you to the point where your bones are broken and can barely move seems like PIS to me. As I see it, the whole meteor thing to me seems like an outlier and it seems other agree with that.


But let's not continue this. This is definitely derailing and has nothing to do with the original thread. After this I will not continue this subject.
 
Knightofannihilation666 said:
Using an armor whenever your opponents beats you to the point where your bones are broken and can barely move seems like PIS to me. As I see it, the whole meteor thing to me seems like an outlier and it seems other agree with that.


But let's not continue this. This is definitely derailing and has nothing to do with the original thread. After this I will not continue this subject.
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That sentence has 0 sense. Also, sure the thread is over anyway.
 
She was healed by Wendy, and even after getting healed she could barely walk.

The armor she used did nothing to affect her speed. It's the armor where she gets rid of defence for maximum attack.

This is irrelevant. It's a PIS outlier in how she even moved.
 
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