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The Boss/Saints Row Verse stats Revision

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AP, Durability, Striking Strength

First off, I'm not buying for a second that this tiny nuke is town level (profile).

Even the game says "devastate entire sections of the city"

Average human height (took the average of both genders, Boss can be made as either)

= 1.683m

Calculating for Boss

Using his dimensions to find the building area

Using the dimensions of that same building in the actual feat to determine the blast radius

84.4m = 276.9029ft

Using Nukemap (my personal preference, also Stardestroyer doesn't give values of blasts smaller than 280m) we get approximately 2.426e+11.

"When you get the result of said explosion, you multiply the value by 0.5. This is because only 40 to 50 percent of the total energy of the explosion is actually from the blast."

source

2.426e+11(0.5)= 1.21e+11, almost 3x City Block

If accepted, this would essentially remove any town level from his profile, as would change his profile from at least 8-B to 8-B.

Speed

While his speed is skeptical, the justification for it is lacking.

Supersonic+ (Can outrun speeding cars, Capable of creating a vortex that can pick up tanks and garbage trucks when they run)
1. The tornado that he leaves in his trail is more hax than speed based IMO. Based on the fact that the level you get your final speed upgrade comes way before the tornado is unlocked, which doesn't increase any speed as far as the game goes.

2. Using a subsonic feat as part of why he's supersonic+ doesn't make sense to me. The game however, states on the final speed upgrade, that the player is "practically faster than a speeding bullet" , and the power descriptions never lie as far as I can remember. Practically, meaning nearly or almost, which would put him at Supersonic. For reference, when you first unlock the power, you are faster than cars. Also worth mentioning, an infosheet made by the producers does say "break the sound barrier on foot", so that's up to whether or not we only accept the game descriptions of the powers. According to Mythbusters, the average bullet travels 2500ft/s or 762m/s, which is Mach 2.22, still not supersonic+(Mach 2.5).

Abilities


Ice manipulation -> likely Absolute Zero, although there are multiple enemies in the game who don't die after you attempt to shatterkill them (such is the case with these enemies and some of the other powers), such as Wardens(who doesn't freeze at all, just makes an animation error), Mauraders, Murderbots, it only affects people and vehicles (you can't even destroy the latter with a single blow), and possibly Super Homies (Gat, Kinzie, etc.)

If accepted, these would affect The Boss as well most of the verse.

Also, the profiles need to be cleaned up. I assume someone copied and pasted the Boss's abilites on to everyone's profile with the same powers, since Kinzie's power descriptions reference her as a male.

And Zinyak being city level for having complete control over the simulation I'm not too sure about because I don't know it completely, though I do know the simulation has been hacked multiple times. In addition, Boss beat the brakes off of Zinyak in the beginning of their fight (Zinyak was dazed before he needed to get in his giant robot to still lose, and have his head and spine ripped out )

Also, Shaundi is linked on the verse page but doesn't actually have a profile.

Also, should weapons like Laser Razor, Disintegrator, and Inflato-Ray have limited effects since they're inconsistent? Ex. you can disintegrate a door of the car, but not the entire car, etc.
 
Guess you're right, that explosion seems pretty small (unless is in-frame shot), but your scaling seems kinda weird.

Mach 2.22 is almost supersonic+, and is supposed to be faster. If any, it should be changed to at least supersonic.

Don't known about the last part.
 
Is just that the pic that you choise seems kinda off, but I'm not going to be strict with the scaling. Assuming 84.4 m radius as a close aprox.and using surface radius, result would be 48.32 tnt tons (without multiply per 0.5, not sure if do that).
 
What gave you 48.32 tons?

That would be 2.02x10^11 (4.3x city block level)

or after the 0.5

1.01x10^11 (2.39x city block level)
 
Equation for 20 psi shockwave in surface is W = 80.3686*10^(-6)*R^3, the nukemap that you used use the same formula, but is less exact.
 
Link to the formula?

And yeah, I think it only rounds to the nearest tens place, which is why it gave me 280ft instead of the 276 that I actually got. Also, adding more info to the OP shortly.
 
The nuke thing does seem off, so yeah, that should be revised.

Speed looks good as well.

Absolute Zero seems good as well, should give a few characters a nice Hax/Hax Resistance

Not sure about the simulation thing.
 
Mmm... not sure where those number appeared, and I'm familiarized with that method, sorry.
 
AP

Plugging .619 tons per m^2 yields, surprise surprise, Town level results

Speed

Ive explained it to you before and i'll explain it again, creating a tornado by running fast is by no means hax. Technically it would be Hypersonic speed according to this

Abilities

Not sure how i missed the Absolute Zero part but that looks alright

Simulation Zinyak =/= irl Zinyak, who is much weaker. Also thanks for pointing out the spine ripping thing, that's actually a Class K Lifting Strength feat that was somehow missed.
 
1. Where are you getting .619 tons from? Matter of fact just explain that whole line please.

2. I would say it is hax, especially when the game literally lays out everything an ability does. Also every comment in that link has a statement about how skeptical the information is.

3. Class K based on the mortal combat video with the 1m newtons? That was with one-hand iirc. Boss uses two and clearly applies leg/full body strength as well. Regardless, he's Class K with telekinesis so it doesn't really matter.
 
I would like too where the 0.619 tons/m^2 value is comming, the twon level result as well; it can't be possible that a persone would have town level durability for tanking a city block level explosion.
 
There's no way that's a 619 ton nuke. I've done the math the same way every other person calcs nukes and I got 58 tons, as shown. A 619 ton bomb would have 2.2x the distance that I've found via scaling, it's not possible, even by looking at it you can tell.
 
@Unite If youre gonna atempt to calc the explosion at least use a clear feat like Kinzie's, which is in an open area where you can see the full explosion
 
Unite My Rice said:
2. I would say it is hax, especially when the game literally lays out everything an ability does. Also every comment in that link has a statement about how skeptical the information is.

3. Class K based on the mortal combat video with the 1m newtons? That was with one-hand iirc. Boss uses two and clearly applies leg/full body strength as well. Regardless, he's Class K with telekinesis so it doesn't really matter.

Creating a tornado is not now nor will it ever be hax.

That's still Class K physical strength with the Iron Saint Armor
 
I'm going based off the videos I've gone through on Youtube, that said I haven't seen one with Kinzie. Based on the ones I categorized as not being surrounded by giant skyscrapers, or next to a giant tower, as well as having lighting not too bright to block out the color of the shockwave and HD quality, the video I used was the best one I found. It allowed me to get as much of the shockwave as possible on-screen.
 
Alright I'll look into that, and I guess we'll just have to agree to disagree on the tornado thing.

As far as the lifting thing goes, 1m newtons is 224808.9431 pounds force, which is 112.4 tons force, which converts to 1.01x10^5kg-f.

Dividing that by 2, since that was the specifications for a one armed feat, we get 56.2 tons force, which is 5.09x10^4kg-f, and likely much lower since he used his legs in the feat. So it would be Class 100, likely lower.
 
As for the nuke feat for Kinzie, we'll find the radius by scaling via the helipad. The FATO area of a helipad is 1.5x the length of the helicopter. The Eagle spawns at that base, which resembles a UH-60 Blackhawk . 64'10" in length, or 19.76m. Multiply that by 1.5 and we get 29.64m. Now the safety area (white border outline) is 1/3rd of the rotor diameter, but not less than 6m. 16.3576m(1/3) = 5.4m, so we'll make it 6m.

So 6m+ 29.64m = 35.64m total diameter of the helipad.

Scaling this in-game

Scaling the blast

Result is 3.93kt , small town level.

But it's not DFA, and only applies to Kinzie unless everyone else has a similar nuke feat.
 
DFA is jumping into the sky, and slamming into the round, causing a nuke effect. Kinzie just stands there and explodes and makes a visibly larger explosion than DFA.

Also it seems baseless that the Boss would automatically be stronger, especially since he doesn't have the feats to match Kinzie's.
 
Same attack, different method of using it

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oV9rLcABYRw&t=266s

https://youtu.be/tDb4gwhltR4?t=56

The explosions are exactly the same

And really? The guy who fights literally everything in the game doesnt have better feats than the girl who sits back behind the computer and gathers intel, barely seeing any combat at all? Youre pretty much just grasping at straws at this point...
 
So, I lost now, there is another feat besides the explosion from OP?
 
I see, welp, it seems bigger than the one in OP, but doesn't seems to yield town level result. A calculation is needed to justify any stat, I could take a look when I get into "my" PC.
 
1. That's clearly not DFA. Similar outcome, different techniques.

Also that's an association fallacy. Piccolo in DBS has been involved with the main cast in most of their fights and still can't challenge Goku, but 17 (who Piccolo was superior to in the android arc) apparently trains by himself and fights off poachers and he can fight SSB Goku no problem.

Clearly he doesn't have better feats, since Kinzie's explosion is way bigger than the Boss's.
 
Another note, but I'm pretty sure that whatever comes out of this calc would scale to the general stats of the Boss, not just with Death from Above.
 
@Antonio Look at the two clips i provided a few replies ago, theyre literally the same size

@Unite It is very, very clearly DFA. At this point youre very clearly downplaying...
 
Let's say for example he was town level with DFA. How would it scale all of his stats, when that's the only time he displays such power?
 
@Saikou Not all of his stats, but it would scale to his general durability and his SS when he's using DFA
 
"It's very, very clearly DFA"

Do you not see Kinzie standing on the ground blowing herself up, compared to the next video you linked which clearly shows Boss in the air before he dives at the ground like a projectile?
 
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