The Boss/Saints Row Verse stats Revision

[WeeklyBattles]

Yes i do, do you not see that its very clearly the same exact attack just used differently?

 

[Golden_Void]

It's called death from above not death from the concrete. They both produce nukes but they are not the same attack.

 

[WeeklyBattles]

Same effect, same appearance, same type of explosion, but just because she didnt fall from the sky you think it's not the same attack? No, that's not how it works. Its the same exact attack.

 

[Saikou_The_Lewd_King]

Weekly, the Boss trades blows with people capable of damaging him. Makes no sense that he wouldn't scale to them.

 

[The_Everlasting]

It's called death from above not death from the concrete. They both produce nukes but they are not the same attack.

The attacks look exactly the same and even if they looked different it doesn't imply that one is vastly stronger than the other.

 

[WeeklyBattles]

...He did defeat Jyunichi, who originally had DFA, without having it himself didnt he?

 

[Saikou_The_Lewd_King]

And he can damage normally people who can survive the DFA, etc. etc.

 

[Golden_Void]

@Everlasting the nukes look similar to each other, but the method to producing the nukes are different. Also, the fact that Kinzie's nuke radius is much larger than Boss's makes it much stronger, but that was a rush calc which I'll probably revisit.

 

[WeeklyBattles]

Method of producing does not matter. If you drop a bomb from a plane and then detonate the same bomb on the ground does that make the explosion different? No, it doesnt.

 

[Golden_Void]

Regardless, Boss's version is called death from above, and Kinzie's version does not meet the description of death from above.

"It allows the player to hang in the air and hit the ground, similar to Stomp, although unlike Stomp, the higher the player, the more damage Death From Above causes. It has the only "Nuke" upgrade, which allows to create a nuclear explosion, if the player is very high in the air."

Kinzie's attack makes a nuke, but it does none of the above.

 

[WeeklyBattles]

It matches every qualification except the part about falling from the sky which you are so hung up on even though it does not matter in any way, shape, or form. Needing to fall from the sky is game mechanics at best.

 

[Golden_Void]

If we're just gonna disregard descriptions of attacks then I guess the freeze buff and freeze blast are the same thing.

 

[Golden_Void]

It does matter, DFA only makes a nuke if you're high enough, otherwise it's just a glorified smash attack. Kinzie blows herself up.

 

[The_Everlasting]

You're arguing the most meaningless semantics right now.

 

[WeeklyBattles]

As i said before, same attack, different application. The method through which the attack is produced doesnt matter as its the same exact attack.

 

[Golden_Void]

To avoid this circular argument, Kinzie's attack doesn't meet the description of DFA, so it's not DFA. Like I said, if that was the case, freeze buff and freeze blast are the same attacks. Other than that, I'll check my calc again when I get home.


Are loyalty quests even canon to the actual storyline? I beat the main campaign but I still have a boatload of quests that I didn't do..

 

[WeeklyBattles]

Youre grasping at straws again in an attempt to dismiss a viable feat. They are the same attack, there is no questioning it.

 

[Golden_Void]

I'm not grasping at straws, the game very clearly defines what DFA is and looks like, and Kinzie's attack is nothing like what is described. I'm not trying to dismiss a viable feat, you're trying to use that to scale other characters, and make it more powerful coming from the Boss since he gets all the action.

 

[WeeklyBattles]

>Not grasping at straws

>Ignoring the fact that the attacks are identical in every aspect except the Boss falls when using DFA

Yes, yes you are grasping.

 

[Antoniofer]

Ehh, I though that the thread was about giving a value to a feat, isn't like the attacks seems that different from the other (unless I'm missing something). Don't known about the scaling, but if there no feat that place someone at Town level they should be changed to 8-B, tho, a calculation is still needed for that one explosion that Weekly posted.

 

[Golden_Void]

>except Boss falls when using DFA

.....as is the concept of the attack. You're in the air and hit the ground, and if you're high enough, you make a nuke. The only thing identical to either of their attacks is the nuke it produces.

 

[WeeklyBattles]

@Antonio It is, Unite did a quick calc of the explosion earlier in the thread and got Low 7-C as a result,consistent with the descriptions of the attack stating that it can devistate a city and create a nuclear blast. He's just trying to make it seem like it doesnt scale to anyone when it does.

 

[Golden_Void]

I did calc it, but I'll have to recheck it again.

 

[WeeklyBattles]

How many times am i going to have to explain this to you before you understand? IT DOES NOT MATTER HOW IT IS DONE. Dropping a bomb from a plane doesnt make the explosion different from detonating the same bomb on the ground.

 

[Antoniofer]

Ok, so post it in a blog in order to be evaluated. To reach tier 7, it need a radius superior to 230 m.

 

[WeeklyBattles]

The result of his calc was 440 m

 

[Golden_Void]

Alright, so are freeze blast and freeze buff the same ability because they both freeze people, even though the game clearly has them categorized as two different abilities?

Also you completely ignored that for the normal gameplay DFA, I got an 8-B result, for the low 7-C result. Which is why I need to recheck the calcs.

 

[The_Everlasting]

Even then, for what reason would Kinzie, the girl who mostly just sits around gathering data, be so much stronger than the Boss, the guy who does all the actual fighting?

 

[Golden_Void]

Beats me, the only other reason I can think of is that she did hack the simulation and allow the Boss and everyone to have powers in the first place. I don't think there's an established power list either.

 

[The_Everlasting]

Translation: Event with this ridiculous distinguishment you're suggesting, there's no reason it would only affect Kinzie. If she were so much stronger she'd do the fighting.

 

[Golden_Void]

I never said it wouldn't scale to anyone, but like I said earlier, the regular DFA feat used by Boss only gave 8-B results, and like everyone else said, it seems improbable that Kinzie would be stronger than him, which is why I questioned the canonicity of the loyalty quests, to see if we can disregard the feat.

 

[WeeklyBattles]

...Why would the loyalty quests be non-canon?

 

[Golden_Void]

I'm home, now I can actually focus here and check things.

 

[LordGriffin1000]

They should be canon, you need to do them so they can get their powers.

 

[Golden_Void]

They should be canon, you need to do them so they can get their powers.

Yeah I was like wtf, why did I type that?

 

[Golden_Void]

Alright, to be more thorough.

Since a military base is government/private, it is considered a PPR helipad/port.

Given that the Eagle has shorter rotors than a UH-60 Blackhawk, we can calculate the missing dimensions given the Blackhawk's parameters.

3.61m-1.33m = length of UH-60 rotor length past the body - Eagle's rotor length past the body = 2.28m. Accounting for both sides of the rotors, we do 2.28m(2) = 4.56m total subtracted from the rotor diameter.

So 16.35 - 4.56 = 11.79m rotor diameter.

It also has a different tail rotor.

19.76 - 1.981 = 17.779m

Add the length of the other tail rotor

17.779m + 2.697m = 20.476m = total helicopter length


So now we can more accurately scale the helipad.

Final approach and takeoff area (FATO)

Design the FATO so its minimum width, length, or diameter is 1› times the overall length (D) of the design helicopter

20.476m(1.5) = 30.714m.

In-game helipad

Final nuke result

0.0025Mt or 2500 tons of tnt, still Low 7-C. Now what to do with a 8-B feat from The Boss and a Low 7-C feat from Kinzie..

 

[WeeklyBattles]

What to do is scale Boss to Kinzie as he is at the very least comparable to her if not stronger by a decent amount...

 

[Golden_Void]

See, my thing is I'd be all for that but then we're just ignoring the fact that Boss's nuke is significantly smaller than hers, then scaling him to her on a premise that might be true which would ignore his feats..

 

[Kaltias]

I don't really see the problem about scaling the Boss from someone who is logically weaker than him.

 

[LordGriffin1000]

Well Kinze if I'm not mistaken was vary pissed when she did that and that's not the same attack as the death from above the boss has.

The Bosses nuke is him coming down with enough force he creates that nuke but Kinze just went crazy and exploded in place.