[STAFF NEEDED] Saint Seiya: Gold Saint Downgrade and Profile Split

[AerrowStorm1]

So question?

We're treating the Spectre-Golds and Normal golds (and Shiryu) surviving the double Athena Excamation, Shaka surviving the AE, and Shaka/Shijima's feat as outliers, yeah?

 

[AerrowStorm1]

ok

Saint Seiya: Galaxian Explosion AP

topstrongest.fandom.com

Saw this so thought 4-A was more safe.

That calc is very old, doesn't take stars into account and ignores that some of the planets which the GE is shown destroying have rings, which only gas giants have

 

[Hasty12345]

That calc is very old, doesn't take stars into account and ignores that some of the planets which the GE is shown destroying have rings, which only gas giants have

That calc isn’t in the OP, it’s not being used to give an exact value for Saga’s AP.

Other feats aren’t being considered as of now. The OP says a more in-depth revision will come at a later date.

The focus is to remove the G material from the gold Saint profiles to be more in line with the canon blog.

 

[AerrowStorm1]

That calc isn’t in the OP, it’s not being used to give an exact value for Saga’s AP.

Other feats aren’t being considered as of now. The OP says a more in-depth revision will come at a later date.

The focus is to remove the G material from the gold Saint profiles to be more in line with the canon blog.

OK, understood.

 

[Kaiou1991]

bump

 

[LordGriffin1000]

I'm fine with removing the stuff that doesn't apply to classic Gold Saints from the canon split. I'm also fine with the AP change as well.

 

[Kaiou1991]

I'm fine with removing the stuff that doesn't apply to classic Gold Saints from the canon split. I'm also fine with the AP change as well.

Thank you

Because this is a minor CRT, is 1 agree enough for it to pass?

 

[Matthew_Schroeder]

I have very little input in the Saint Seiya revisions going on now.

 

[Kaiou1991]

I have very little input in the Saint Seiya revisions going on now.

Does that mean you can't comment on the validity of the removal of G scaling justifications from Classic profiles and the replacement ratings suggested in the OP?

 

[Matthew_Schroeder]

Does that mean you can't comment on the validity of the removal of G scaling justifications from Classic profiles and the replacement ratings suggested in the OP?

I thought the agreement was that cross-universe scaling was only fine for 8th Sense and above? The Base Gold Saints from Classic are indeed much weaker than their G Counterpart. Galaxy level scaling from the Galaxian Explosion makes sense to me.

 

[Huesito88]

Galaxy level scaling from the Galaxian Explosion makes sense to me.

Yeah me too, but we're only putting 4-A as a temporary place holder until a proper calc is made.

 

[Planck69]

The removal of any cross-scaled stats seems fine to me. As are the new AP values.

 

[TheUnshakableOne]

So question?

We're treating the Spectre-Golds and Normal golds (and Shiryu) surviving the double Athena Excamation, Shaka surviving the AE, and Shaka/Shijima's feat as outliers, yeah?

Shaka vs shijama has special context around it, and technically Shaka didn't really survive the AE. It's complicated but involves invoking the 8th sense.

Now the double AE that should definitely be an outlier.

 

[Matthew_Schroeder]

What's planned to do regarding 8th Sense and higher? Is Cross-Scaling allowed there?

 

[Hasty12345]

What's planned to do regarding 8th Sense and higher? Is Cross-Scaling allowed there?

The current canon blog treats the senses and cosmo as being the same across the multiverse as Shura and GA basically prove this to be true. So if we take each work as coexisting in a multiverse, cosmo is the same, the senses are the same.

What we are no longer allowing as cross scalable are statements pertaining to the power of specific Saints and abilities only demonstrated by individuals.

Abilities that are attributed to be properties of cosmo or the senses are cross scalable (like extrasensory perception and atomic destruction etc) but Classic Shaka having Agyo is not evidence G Shaka has Agyo.

Saga’s Galaxian explosion in G is not taken as evidence Sagas Galaxian explosion in Classic is galaxy level for example.

 

[Kaiou1991]

With 2 admin agrees, and being well beyond the grace period, I'm going to start applying the sandboxes

 

[Hasty12345]

With 2 admin agrees, and being well beyond the grace period, I'm going to start applying the sandboxes

Dw about it, I got.

 

[Kaiou1991]

Dw about it, I got.

Only if you insist..?

 

[Hasty12345]

I've done the 12 Gold Saints and Seiya.

I'll get around to the other 4 bronzes, Shion and Kanon, the Judges and Mariners tomorrow or the day after.

 

[Matthew_Schroeder]

What we are no longer allowing as cross scalable are statements pertaining to the power of specific Saints and abilities only demonstrated by individuals.

This makes sense. You just have to ask who the strongest Gold Saint is to see a fight.

In Episode G it's unambiguously Aiolos, while in Classic Saga is meant to be stronger.

 

[Theglassman12]

The proposals look fine to me