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Marvel Street Characters Upgrade To 8-A/7-C (13 CONSISTENT FEATS)

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Electro calc. Credit goes to ultraguy.

Electro sometimes drains power from New York's power grid.

All of Manhattan https://***************.to/Comic/New-Avengers-2005/Issue-1?id=3097 Much of new york https://***************.to/Comic/The-Amazing-Spider-Man-1963/Issue-614?id=4828 A neiborhood https://***************.to/Comic/Marvel-Holiday-Special/Issue-1992?id=83503 Most of the city (specified as downtown manhattan) https://***************.to/Comic/Spider-Man-1990/Issue-39-Light-The-Night-Part-2-of-3?id=50442 https://***************.to/Comic/The-Marvel-Encyclopedia/TPB?id=95518 All of new york

https://www.traditionaloven.com/tutorials/power/convert-mega-watt-mw-to-joule-j-per-s.html New york uses11, 000 Megawatt-hours per day /24=458.333333333 megawats to power new york

Lets just do some highballs and say he can completely drain all the power New York can receive over various numbers of time. http://www.unitconversion.org/power/megawatts-to-joules-per-second-conversion.html

Low end 1 hour=458,333,333.333 joules/per second X 60 x 60=1.65e+12 joules 394.3594646271511 tons of tnt

Mid end 5 hours=458333333.333 joules/per second X 60 x 300 8.25e+12 joules=1.971797323135755 kilotons

High end 13 hours( around the time of Sunset to sunrise,which is 6:22pm-7:13am)=458333333.333 joules/per second X 60 x 780=2.145e+13 joules=5.12 kilotons

Rift explosion:

1 story floor=4px=3m 1px=0.75m Cylinder diameter=80.28px=60.21 m radius=30.105 m Cylinder height= 39.41px= 29.5575 m

https://www.omnicalculator.com/math/cylinder-volume

84,157,889,165 cc X 69=673263113320 joules=160.913746013384 tons of tnt
 
Did you even bother checking these feats?

1. Basilisk is a 4-B level threat, might as well argue 4-B Spider-Man

2. Literally a rejected calc

3. Sentry punched him. Sentry. Hell no we aren't using this

4. Already being used to scale Luke Cage, who A) Is far superior to the rest of the cast in blunt durability and B) Almost died doing this

5. The scan literally says Cap didn't tank it alone, he had the shield AND the forcefield

6 and 7. Wolvie has 4-B durability

8. Deadpool is inconsistent as ****, no way we're scaling off hundreds of characters off of him

9. ....Significance of this?

I'll respond to MonsterKing's calcs in a few minutes
 
You say that it was rejected, but it was for bad reasons. Also, you can't just say that Deadpool is inconsistent in the face of insurmountable evidence. Also, the tiers in the Marvel page are all over the place. What do you have for Marvel? Why do you agree that Captain America is small building level? Why do you think that? It's ridiculous.
 
Now onto MonsterKing's stuff:

1. The nuclear thing is a remnant of previous stats alongside being a stupid thing to mention considering they are literal nuclear testing equipment hence they must have some resistance to minimize the effect of nuclear explosions. Also Christ dude, we both know how damn consistent Spider-Man crushing Ock's arms is.

2. Literally showing why using Deadpool to scale is fkin stupid, he is getting wrecked by a character in one scene, and then tanks something said character didn't in the other.

3. Did he even tank this?

4. I mean, Electro absorbing it is hax
 
IIrc, Sentry held back to the point where the explosion was around multi-city block level to town level, as you can see from how destructive it is. Don't focus on his full power, focus on what the power he used to create that explosion. He obviously held back because if he didn't, the entire planet would have been destroyed.
 
That's a strawman that you just made. Also, why scale to Luke Cage and can you give me a scan of how he almost died from it?
 
@Madotsuki

Rejecting a feat because it is literally such a poor and unthought-out feat that it is borderline uncalcable without being stupid, isn't bad reasoning.

I can give more than enough unsurmountable evidence of Deadpool being 9-A via scaling from Daredevil and Moon Knight, also see above.

We based our 9-A calcs around the fact that most Daredevil level characters do tend to have 9-A feats at their absolute peak, and High 8-C for Spider-Man is wayyyyy more consistent than you'd think considering how many Spider-Man threats do pull off building feats. Captain America's tier is admittedly poor, he should be around 8-C, but we don't have a calc for him yet.

Also Madot? 80 years of history. If these aren't "all-over the place" they'll all be 1-A, no joke, I can legit provide 5 feats for Hulk on almost any tier. Using a brain cell while scalong helps in the long run
 
Okay, I read Luke Cage's page and now I know what you just said about him almost dying. But the reason for why his AP is small town level is because it says that his AP should not be that much lower than his durability, which I don't get how they decided to go with that, given that it's a massive assumption that has nothing that supports him having that AP and there is absolutely no AP feats backed up with it.
 
Even if it can withstand the whole nuclear aspect of it, that doesn't mean anything about the, you know, force of the blast. That specific Basilisk at that point in time was not 4-B to my knowledge. As Madotsuki said, Sentry probably wasn't using his full power. Like we aren't scaling Carnage to Sentry, we are just using that specific feat. Saying that DPs mcb feats are inadmissable because he's been hurt by weaker things isn't a strong argument. You can also use that logic against someone like say Lobo. It's not a reason to dismiss his higher end feats. Admittedly, that electrical explosion has yet to be calced, but it is worth noting as it very likely contains such ranges of power (I'd suggest asking someone to calculate this). It is Electro's abilities, yes. So?
 
It's still a poor practice to scale off of Sentry, also if I recall Carnage was considerably stronger than his usual potrayal in that series. Also considering Carnage has regen... it falls apart tbh.
 
Zark2099 said:
Now onto MonsterKing's stuff:
1. The nuclear thing is a remnant of previous stats alongside being a stupid thing to mention considering they are literal nuclear testing equipment hence they must have some resistance to minimize the effect of nuclear explosions. Also Christ dude, we both know how damn consistent Spider-Man crushing Ock's arms is.

2. Literally showing why using Deadpool to scale is fkin stupid, he is getting wrecked by a character in one scene, and then tanks something said character didn't in the other.

3. Did he even tank this?

4. I mean, Electro absorbing it is hax
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Stop being so stubborn and rude, it obviously shows that you have a lot against Marvel because of not accepting that there are obviously a lot of consistent 8-A to 7-C feats for Spiderman, Venom, Carnage, Wolverine and Deadpool, yet you seem to agree on 9-A for them, which no one would agree with and for good reasons. If you're just going to be aggressive and ruin the thread, then stay out of it and go somewhere else, because there is zero tolerance for that.
 
We don't really see Carnage actually regenerate that much from it. Like, he's not blown to chunks, nor is he completely flattened by it. I think it's fine to use it as a durability feat imo
 
I will still not buy Spider-Man just crushing the arms as consistent, there are more than enough instances of it having a far higher durability. Also I mean you're assuming it to just absorb the entire damn explosion, which is very far fetched assumption, and no, the force will still be considerably reduced as well.

I mean, by that logic Boomerang was a 4-B threat, this argument is super weak, Basilisk didn't go through an amp or something.

I will 100% say the same thing about Lobo, who has an equal amount of massively higher showcase than the rest of the cast for humour's sake.

It is Electro's ability, but can you prove he can convert all of that to electric output in a single attack?
 
Madot I can call you stubborn too, and guess-guess? It is literally my job to be here, so stop getting angry over minor expletives and focus on the task at hand.

I legitimately think these are super poor feats for scaling purposes, and not usable at all, and I really want this to remain objective and not turn into a shouting match because you're being unreasonable right now. So calm down.
 
Zark2099 said:
Madot I can call you stubborn too, and guess-guess? It is literally my job to be here, so stop getting angry over minor expletives and focus on the task at hand.
I legitimately think these are super poor feats for scaling purposes, and not usable at all, and I really want this to remain objective and not turn into a shouting match because you're being unreasonable right now. So calm down.
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So you admitted to being stubborn? Good. Oh, so you can be an abusive staff member all you want as long as it's your job to be here? What logic, I'm amazed! In all seriousness, the authoritarian complex you have is insane, that's a horrible thing you can have being a mod. This is why you should have stepped down as mod, you have been agressive towards people multiple times and people have even called you out for nuking threads, I am disappointed in you.
 
1. You mean when Ock is restraining Spider-Man? He usually doesn't have that much of a problem when he is shown to be extremely angry, or at his peak

2. The problem is that Basilisk's volcano feat was literally in the event that other non 4B heroes could fight him just fine. Basing him off future installments and invalidating those entire issues from basically ever existing isn't very genuine

3. The rest of the... DC cast? Um, no? That's just blatantly false. It's also besides the point

4. He did cause that explosion in the rift which I believe was mcb. Along with these other arguments I've mentioned, it shouldn't be too big of a stretch
 
Even if I'm stubborn as well, that doesn't mean that you being stubborn makes it okay. Two wrongs don't make a right.
 
Are you being serious right now? Really?

So me accepting your ridiculous wank and ruining my own made 50 pages is stubborn?

Did I ever insult either of you? I am being patient enough to even bother explaining you why these feats aren't accounted for, I really am completely justified to just close this thread because these calcs were brought up 50 times during the downgrade threads and dismissed each and every time

And FYI, the thread I "nuked" was a thread being used to swap lolicon pictures, so please research better before coming up and "calling me out"
 
I feel like this is devolving into a bad place. Madotsuki, please restrain from saying these kinds of things to mods. However, I don't like how often Zark has been using certain terms like "stupid" and general condescendance. I just wanted to explain our stance as to why we believe that they should be put at a higher tier in power that they are.
 
@MonsterKing

1. "At his peak/Angery" Spider-Man can pull off far higher feats like stomping Morlun, and isn't scaleable in the slightest. So like, kinda unusable, you can argue for a "7-C at peak" key, but even then it has a risk of being inconsistent.

2. I mean, that still isn't very good reasoning to scale 2 tiers up, right?

3. You brought it up, so.

4. Again, stretches don't happen when you're scaling 2 tiers up
 
I mean mate, if something isn't sensible, I'm not gonna pretend it is. Not calling either of you specifically stupid here. Just the logic that resulted in THAT is a ridiculous one.
 
But there's nothing wrong with lolicon...


Anyway, can you give us some more consistent High 8-C feats for the characters, since you say that High 8-C is more consistent?
 
Yeah but you can't honestly say that overpowering Ock's arms would be as unreasonable for his peak. If such a key is what is needed, fine. But I do believe he has more consistent feats on this level, and I don't believe that along with DP's mcb stuff should just be ignored.

I'm not thinking like "scaling two tiers up", I'm thinking like just scaling them in general. Among other arguments listed earlier (like the Carnage and DP thing), I think that it is consistent enough, and too much evidence to ignore.

I do agree that the venom thing needs a better calc, and that the electric explosion needs some sort of calc at all, though
 
I understand this is your job and all, and that you've probably discussed things similar to this a bunch of times before. I just wanted to explain my argument in a civil manner here
 
Spider-Man lifting the Daily Bugle, Mister Negative chucking Spider-Man across a skyscrapers, multiple instances infact, of Spider-Man balancing huge buildings on him and Jesica Jones tanking 8-C+ 'splosions. Hell even Rhino and Sandman can level entire buildings.

They're verrrry consistent at 8-C range, and High 8-C was a kind of a reasonable peak for Spoodr Man, so there's that.

I can't really bother finding scans if you'd excuse me, I am in college rn, so... but iirc they're all on the wiki itself
 
Guys.

Time to chill out. Going off of the past, I know that this thread will turn out awfully in the direction it's going. Let's stop going that way before that happens.
 
It's not really scaleable IMO, an enraged Spider-Man has consistently been shown to stomp out his regular cast with considerable ease, so...personally I can support you for a 7-C peak Spider-Man though.

You kinda gotta think "scaling two tiers up" here if you want to make any significant changes ngl. Marvel scaling has a far higher standard than most other verses, so...

I personally do really believe in the High 8-C tier as being more consistent than the few tier 7 feats you bring up with quite alot of questionability.
 
You guys really gonna make me moderate this thread eh

Alright, I'm here, everyone play nice. Includes you too, daughter of mine.
 
I guess a peak Spidey being 7C is fine, though I personally do still believe that several other Marvel Street levelers should at least be 8A. Deadpool's mcb stuff shouldn't be that unreasonable if you accept Spider-Man being small town level, even if it is at his peak, but it's whatever.
 
Madotsuki24 said:
"daughter of mine"? What does that mean?
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Its a family thing, you wouldn't understand. Continue the thread, keep in mind that I'm keeping an eye on it.
 
I suggest contacting the other knowledgable Marvel users and alerting them of this thread.
 
I'm not really sure where to go to from here, so I'll just recap my main arguments

The Carnage calc should be fine in my opinion. Sentry most definitely was not using his full power against him, and nothing indicates that Carnage survived it by regenerating. We don't see any of that sort of damage take place there

I also think mcb deadpool stuff is fine too. Yes, he has been hurt by weaker stuff before, but so have a ton of characters that are a lot stronger than their weaker instances show. I think that you should look at their best instances as long as they are not ridiculously inconsistent or unreasonable, and evidently, it isn't.

At worst, you could think of Basilisk and Electro's town level stuff as supporting evidence. At that comic where Basilisk did the volcano feat, he obviously wasn't 4B, and other characters who obviously aren't 4B had no trouble fighting him. I don't think it's fair to base future instances to invalidate that comic.

The Venom feat was rejected, but I don't think that the reasons given should completely wipe it from discussion. It still happened. There is also an alternate calc from someone that exists of this feat, and I will return to discuss that (some smart people should probably figure out who it is from)

There is an uncalced feat for Spider-Man in Avengers vs X-Men #9, where he survives a massive explosion. I'd recommend finding someone who can calculate that, I feel it might be important.

This has already been discussed, but at his peak Spider-Man should be capable of crushing Ock's robotic arms, which survived a nuclear blast and yadda yadda etc etc... You can do with that part what you want. I'd be fine with giving him a seperate key as suggested, if you are really skeptical on 7A Marvel Street level stuff

I understand that editing so many profiles is tedious, and that you people have had a lot of discussions about this before. It's fine if you disagree, I just wanted to state my arguments.
 
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