That it's producing a lot of energy, not exploding? Nuclear reactors
glow in real life without exploding.
They also dont light up the whole room like a flashbang unless shit is
super wrong.
That, isn't just glowing.
Also, the onomotepia in that panel as it's blatantly detonating. If, I'm not wrong, we're looking at "gogogogo" and "don", the former represents a heavy rumbling sound (or a foreboding but given the actual shaking, it's the former). Don typically represents a loud sound, often used for something like a heavy impact (think like a heavy weight or meteor), or an
explosive force. So... Well really not much left to say (And cherry on top, the
actual explosion uses the same sfx).
And, why would it do that if it's producing energy? It was already doing that? It's a nuclear reactor, it only does that because bro set it to explode, and, well it does, that's what it's doing. Doesn't help the next panel is the blast.
No, it doesn't. As I've explained numerous times here,
Your explanations aren't sufficient.
her being at the center of the explosion does not mean that she was at the center of the explosion at the same time that the explosion went off.
It does unless she magically 180'd back there. You're arguing Diesel, in a fraction of a second, smashed through the mantle and core (assumption and honestly would be like tier 6 anyway too) or flew through the maze-like lab that's ludicrously big (yet he apparently barely got in there time yet had all this extra time to escape), all for them to 180 back into the center in order for the statement in the following seconds to be true.
The statement enforces where they where when it exploded.
I don't care if that isn't your argument, that's what your argument
entails, like, it isn't what you're directly saying, but for what you're saying to have merit or be true, that must
also be true, yet if that's wrong, then by association...
The "center of the explosion" is nothing more than the point in space where the explosion went off at some point in time.
Correct, and where they're emerging from as well, the point in time mind you, is then and there.
Like the explosion doesn't even finish, we don't even see the full of it because it changes focus to her as she emerges from the blast.
You can be at the center of the explosion before the explosion even happens.
Indeed, they were, the key factor here though, is they were at the center even after it went off, aka, they didn't move.
No, "from" only indicates that the object started moving at the center of the explosion,
Incorrect.
In the phrase "rising
from the center of the explosion," "from" indicates the point of origin where the object begins its upward movement, indeed, yet, it specifies that the object is emerging from the central point of the explosion, highlighting where it is at that very instant.
You're arguing beforehand, but that'd be linguistically wrong, as under your premise, there was no explosion when they began moving, not withstanding the dude who says this line wouldn't know that, the specification it's from the explosion, tells us, well, that's where she is.
"?! THERE'S AN OBJECT RISING FROM THE CENTER OF THE EXPLOSION!" - Dude #69.
Let's actually break it down.
1. The two secret Unowns.
- Bro leads with "?!". This indicates both surprise and disbelief, suggesting that he is shocked by what they're witnessing, something he simply didn't account for, think would happen, and is stunned.
- The exclamation mark at the end of the sentence further emphasizes he's alrmed or panicked.
2. words fr this time
- "THERE'S": This contraction of "there is" is used to indicate the presence or existence of something.
- "AN OBJECT": The term "object" is intentionally vague, reflecting the uncertainty or lack of information about what exactly they seeing. It's something tangible, but its nature is unclear to him, which is to say, he doesn't know it's Samus, so why would he be saying "Oh Samus WAS at the center, but now she isn't", he doesn't know WHAT it is, it could be one of the billion aliens for all he knows, a weapon, who knows, just something is there and coming.
- "RISING": This verb indicates upward movement. The choice of the word "rising" suggests that the object is not just moving, but specifically moving upwards from a lower position, in this case, from the center of an explosion. This is also present tense, indicating the sentence isn't talking about the past, but what is happening now. If it was different tense, say past, it'd be "rose" or something.
- "FROM THE CENTER OF THE EXPLOSION": This phrase provides the context and location of the object’s emergence. It situates the event within the center of the blast. This is worded present tense as well, compounded by the fact in that very scene, the explosion is ongoing, to rise from the center, means they're in the center, as the rising only began after the blast was underway, as that's when he was made aware of it. It's followed by Samus emerging from the blast as well.
3. structure ig
- The sentence follows a straightforward Subject-Verb-Object (SVO) structure. The subject is "an object," the verb is "rising," and the prepositional phrase "from the center of the explosion" modifies the verb, telling us where the action is taking place.
- The structure is clear and direct, matching the urgency of the situation. There are no extraneous words, which helps maintain the focus on the key event: the unexpected emergence of an object (Samus) from an explosion's center.
4. yap
- The combination of punctuation and vague word choice indicates that blud is caught off guard. They were not expecting anything to come from the explosion, let alone something rising from its center, if so, how would he ever be referring to "the center" as where Samus was? Why would he? He doesn't know what it is, why callback to Samus' locale?
- Given we know what's happening, that a large nuke went off, and we know the object is Samus, we can ascertain that the scientist is talking about, even if he isn't initially aware of it, of Samus, coming up from the center of the blast. This tells us where she is, what she's doing, and from what she's emerging from.
In summary, nuh uh, if you're gonna play the linguistics game, you're actively wrong on this front, if they wanted to say what you're talking about, they would use completely different wording.
not that they're there "at the very moment." The object could've started moving in the past. If I'm "flying from Italy", that doesn't mean I'm currently at Italy.
If I said "yo holy shit, he's flying up from the center of italy", and we're over italy, and you're flying up from the center of italy. You would be in Italy yeah.
That doesn't prove anything. What are you even claiming happened in the first place? You said that "Joey obviously didn't take the full explosion either way, given he's not tier 6 (or tier ANYTHING- even if they were kilometers away from the explosion his ass would die from the sheer AP AND the heat), he just got grazed somehow because the mangaka wanted to imply he just barely avoided death." Was he inside the ship when the explosion hit or not? Was the door partially open? Some of what you said seems to imply that he managed to get in the ship but got hit by a small portion of the energy (only a small portion since the ship shielded him), causing him to be "a little burnt." On the other hand, unless I'm misunderstanding, this argument you're putting out seems to imply that he wasn't actually inside the ship, otherwise he would've stayed unburnt like Diesel.
You're literally taking the haha funny gag and using it as an argument.
This doesn't even tackle any points he said. Joey was burnt because he was outside, doesn't matter how much, he was burnt because he was exposed, how little or much, doesn't matter for that point. Diesel isn't because he was always in the ship.
You said Samus just hopped out in the middle of the nuke, if this was the case (which I feel is a critical element they'd show or state and the fact they don't....), even as a gag, Diesel would be burnt a lil too, he isn't, so ignoring how what you said is effectively fabricated, whether on purpose or not, and not sourced from the actual material, but it blatantly makes your hypothetical of Samus going in, then exiting, simply not true, the ship's insides would have been washed, and Diesel too. That didn't happen.
If she did, he'd have been too.
Whether Joey being exposed to it makes sense, doesn't matter, it can be deemed an outlier for him, even tho in his case it's played off as tongue and cheek and a cute lil gag. This doesn't change what actually transpired though. For an example, Batman folding Martian Manhunter. Did it happen? Yeah. Does Batman scale to him? No. Does him not scaling mean he didn't actually do that? No he did, that's what happened, straight up punched him out. But, it's dumb and inconsistent so we don't use that. Here it's even worse tho because it's just a lil gag and not meant be taken at face value to begin with.
Think; do you really think we're going to take this as factual or likely? This is simply assumptions that can be proven false just by looking over what actually happened.
Yeah she got hit, the issue is that the page where Diesel said he got there "in the nick of time" implies that Diesel got there at the last moment and saved them.
No, it implies he got there in time, and saved Joey, whom is in the ship with him. That's kind of it really.
Samus never entered it, we know they didn't exit the epicenter. You're making extra assumptions that lead to ridiculous situations like them going back to the epicenter after the fact.
You'd be right if they like, didn't say where the ship was coming from, had a larger timeframe to do anything, Samus actually got in, and they didn't emerge from the very blast's center with a whole panning.
What is said, doesn't actually indicate what you're claiming. It implies it, in a situation we didn't get all this extra info.
Additionally, Joey being a little burnt kinda implies that he wasn't near the center considering the fact that without using his gadgets (which don't seem to cover his whole body from the back, which the explosion would hit),
Well, you're just kinda of wrong, like think about it.
We already know it was mid-exploding, yet you're arguing that he got far enough away in that microscopic gap to only get "a lil burnt".
How? It couldn't be due tothe ship, unless you're arguing Diesel swung in, they hopped on the ship (as in Joey himself straight up clung to it as the ship zipped through a maze-like lab at mach 500 or something, piloted by a dude who def isn't that fast) and got so far away that the heat only burnt him a lil, but, what? No? That makes even less sense, if he had time to hop on and grab it why wouldn't he just go in? But we know that's impossible as they never exit the blast aka he'd have had to of went in while they were engulfed in the blast from a far distance, but we already established that's impossible as it'd wash out the ship and burn Diesel too but he's fine. This situation you're describing, is impossible to have occured with what we know to actually be true.
he seems to have normal human durability.
Man, you realize he could've been 1000km away from the blast, and got caught at the very edge, which we know straight up didn't happen as we see it explode and then expand like a thousand km, would make him blatantly superhuman right?
Also no he's got the dog in him, kid is mach speed in reactions and well into superhuman levels, I wouldn't scale him to this, evidently, but he's got megajoule durability feats at least, might have a few better ones but they're annoying.
This is something that Armor pointed out. He would've had to have been far away from the center of the explosion.
And yet, we know he wasn't, and also not what he actually claimed. Which cycles back to your argument unironically being that Diesel who barely showed up as it is, managed to escape through the lab, all while Joey clinged to the ship, just so he could get a lil burnt, then enter it while miracalously the interior and Diesel didn't get so much as touched despite the ship being engulfed, and then, for them to 180 back, go back to where they were, and then fly up. Along with numerous other contrivences.
Also, I decided to add something to this conversation that I hadn't before: I realized that arguing the semantics of the fantranslation is pointless, so I put the
original Japanese text ("僕心点より上昇してくる物体があります") through a couple different translators. All of them except for DeepL translated it along the lines of "There is an object that rises above the center point." This does not indicate that she was at the center of the explosion when it happened.
Nice try.
"
!? 爆心点より上昇してくる物体があります"
- 爆心点 (ばくしんてん, epicenter, critical point)
- より (from, above)
- 上昇 (じょうしょう, rising, ascending)
- してくる (to come, to approach, this one is in reference from bro's POV btw, aka it's coming toward him)
- 物体 (ぶったい, object, mass)
- が (subject marker, aka, the former part of sentence
- あります (there is, exists)
"!? There is an object rising from the epicenter!", though the original japanese sentence structure is still follows a Subject-Object-Verb (SOV) order, opening with ("爆心点より" – "from the epicenter"), followed by the action ("上昇してくる" – "rising"), and then the subject ("物体" – "object") with the existence verb ("あります" – "there is") because japanese is weird like that and usually the main point comes first with additional details coming after the fact (aka the focal point here, is the fact whatever "it" is, is located in the epicenter).
Can't really add "coming/approaching" into it from into that sentene without adding extra words like "the", but just know it specifies exactly where that object is coming from. As an aside, yes, "from" not "above" here, it's denoting from where the object is coming approaching and rising from.
But that's just the individual kanji.
To be extra anal, let's actually break down how they flow together in a sentence.
- 爆心点より(ばくしんてんより)
- 爆心点 (ばくしんてん): This means "epicenter" as established and "より" is a particle meaning "from".
This conveys and means "From the epicenter" (idk how to fix the bullet points and whenever i backspace or enter it like copies it but i wanted to make it a diff one, plz send hlp Edit: Nvm i fixed it....)
- 上昇してくる(じょうしょうしてくる)
- 上昇する (じょうしょうする): This verb means "to rise" or "to ascend." which, well yeah duh, andしてくる is a compound form combining して (the -te form of する, which here connects actions) and くる (meaning "to come"). Together, してくる suggests the action of rising is coming toward the the dude yapping, which, we see happen so yeah. This conveys and means "rising up while coming/approaching"
- 物体(ぶったい)
- This noun means "object" or "mass" (or body, tbh it just means a physical thing). This conveys that uh, "An object"
- が(subject marker)
- Actaully important because we don't have stuff like this in ENG. が is a subject marker, indicating that 物体 ("object") is the subject of the sentence. In this context, が emphasizes this, with the preceeding info in the sentence being directly in regards to said thing being emphasized, aka, being about "the object", aka, your whole semantic argument actually doesn't apply, this directly confrms the ship, at that very moment, is coming from the very epicenter.
- あります(あります)
- あります is a verb meaning "there is" or "exists," typically used for non-living things, which uh, idk I don't feel like I need to elaborate.
Which is actually MORE explicit than the ENG one.