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Thor and Odin scaling to Captain Marvel?

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Suigetsuhyugs said:
Btw i put this on the power abilities thread to have na help knowing what exacly this classify as but i got no response yet and since this thread its already about her i think there is no problem

During her run she ended up doing this avatar i already put on her profile as in Life Manipulation but im not sure.
And also would like to know if the abilities of this avatar should be added to Carol Danvers profile, I mean this new avatar is energy based and so its intagible and can pass through walls, but Carol Danvers she cant do that she is made of flesh and blood so im not sure how to make this work

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bump this i would like an help.
 
Suigetsuhyugs said:
During her run she ended up doing this avatar i already put on her profile as in Life Manipulation but im not sure.
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I mean, probably? It doesn't fit the Avatar Creation stuff, so I guess Life Manipulation is the next best one?
Suigetsuhyugs said:
And also would like to know if the abilities of this avatar should be added to Carol Danvers profile, I mean this new avatar is energy based and so its intagible and can pass through walls, but Carol Danvers she cant do that she is made of flesh and blood so im not sure how to make this work
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You've answered your question: no
 
MARVEL_Future_Fight_Gamer said:
I mean, probably? It doesn't fit the Avatar Creation stuff, so I guess Life Manipulation is the next best one?
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Could be multiplication too i think
MARVEL_Future_Fight_Gamer said:
You've answered your question: no
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Im not sure how the it works because if a mage summons a creature that can control earth doesnt he technically control earth? Or when some mages use spirits magic to control elements isnt that their powers? And take for example Emilia from Re zero she can summon Puck so she got an extra key for all the abilities that puck can use, should we do that?
 
MARVEL_Future_Fight_Gamer said:
Nah, doesn't seem like it
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As far as the comic said she released her energy and shapped it into her shape its not very different from shadow clone jutsu from Naruto. Im asking this because this ability seems quite impressive considering that Binary somehow managed to absord Mar vell's DNA and a part of the energy of the phoenix into herself making her permanently stronger maybe even stronger than Carol is now. And this "avatar" doesnt change anything in this thread all feats shown were made by the real Carol.
 
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Vasco said:
That's not Reactive Evolution but Accelerated Development.
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So to sum it up i will put all the agreed changes here to make it easier for whoever is gonna apply the changes
Suigetsuhyugs said:
Just letting clear what I'm proposing here:
  • A new key or note so that her current power doesn't scale for anyone prior to the current version of captain marvel
  • The change in tiers a "Varies up to 4-C, possibly 3-C" and MFTL+ combat speed travel speed and reaction speed
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Adding a key on Powers and abilties for life creation
All previous abilities and Biological Manipulation (absorbed the genes of Mar-vell), Intangibility (a body made of energy that can go through solid objrects), Accelerated Development (by absorbing DNA or energy can become stronger), Inorganic Physiology (it was energy shapped to look like Carol but has conscious independent of Carol) and Shapeshifting (changed into Carol and back).
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Vasco said:
Let @Antvasima agree to it first to be added.
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Btw i think i have a way to get a better range for her speed using Starbrand contractions
We see this happening right before we start seeing the fight between Firelord and Captain Marvel
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We are told that when a contraction happen her power goes crazy and Silver Surfer agrees here then we see the fight between Captain Marvel and Firelord with the word "meanwhile" we can assume that its happening at the ssame time so they were fighting a few lightyears away when the contraction happened.
During their fight they reach close to the planet and we see this
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Either its the same contraction or another one going by google we got this
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Considering she was very close to laber we could assume a 6 hours for low end 5 minutes as a mid end or the 60 seconds as a high end, while using at least 2 lightyears as distance.
Giving about
35040c for low end
210240c for mid end
1051200c for high end
I think the mid and high end should be closer considering she was already in contractions and she got there before the baby was even born
 
Suigetsuhyugs said:
Btw i think i have a way to get a better range for her speed using Starbrand contractions
We see this happening right before we start seeing the fight between Firelord and Captain Marvel
image.png

We are told that when a contraction happen her power goes crazy and Silver Surfer agrees here then we see the fight between Captain Marvel and Firelord with the word "meanwhile" we can assume that its happening at the ssame time so they were fighting a few lightyears away when the contraction happened.
During their fight they reach close to the planet and we see this
image.png

Either its the same contraction or another one going by google we got this
image.png

Considering she was very close to laber we could assume a 6 hours for low end 5 minutes as a mid end or the 60 seconds as a high end, while using at least 2 lightyears as distance.
Giving about
35040c for low end
210240c for mid end
1051200c for high end
I think the mid and high end should be closer considering she was already in contractions and she got there before the baby was even born
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I haven't really read the range page yet but you can ask @Eficiente or any member who's knowledgeable on that.
 
The new statistics should be fine, but I see no good reliable evidence for biological manipulation, intangibility, accelerated development, inorganic physiology, or shapeshifting.
 
I clicked on the scans that you linked to for those abilities, and they did not seem convincing at all in terms of being reliable and self-evident.
 
Antvasima said:
I clicked on the scans that you linked to for those abilities, and they did not seem convincing at all in terms of being reliable and self-evident.
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What exacly do you mean? I could understand that biological manipulation might be hard because its more a guess about her than a conviction but the rest is all there, Carol is stuck in a box so she copied Monica's ability to become light so that she can be set free there is even the immaterial part of intangibility that clearly mentions beings made of energy which is clearly the case.
I will add more scans maybe this can help
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This last one is to prove they are connected so her saying that it has the DNA of MAr-vell and Phoenix energy didnt come out of nowhere
 
Suigetsuhyugs said:
A new key for her Binary "avatar"
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Antvasima said:
The new statistics should be fine, but I see no good reliable evidence for biological manipulation, intangibility, accelerated development, inorganic physiology, or shapeshifting.
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The biological manipulation should be changed to absorption, since it falls under biological absorption under absorption.

@Suigetsuhyugs do you have scans where it's stated she "absorbed" the genes of mar-vell, if she just somehow have the genes I'd have to disagree.

Intangibility: kinda seems fine by me, first scan said she someone "phased" through the vox costume prison and the next scan we see her move through solid object or she simply jumped from it since there wasn't any trail before it (it could be possibly intangibility).

Accelerated Development: it's stated she became "maybe" more powerful and feels its probably because of the planet seeded with mar-vell's DNA and Phoenix energies (possibly Accelerated Development?). I can't really just deny it since it's stated she's "maybe" more powerful and the energy is different from how it initially was.

Inorganic physiology is fine since she's a being made of "energy".

Shapeshifting looks very limited, she only transformed into Carol probably cause they had a connection, no legit proof she can transform into other beings.
 
Vasco said:
The biological manipulation should be changed to absorption, since it falls under biological absorption under absorption.

@Suigetsuhyugs do you have scans where it's stated she "absorbed" the genes of mar-vell, if she just somehow have the genes I'd have to disagree.
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In one of the scans I sent you can see captain marvel saying she was different from when she was created, the first time she made it in space, the second time she made her in a lab on the planet where mar vell died because of the phoenix. Anyways it's not directly stated that she absorbed it but she evolved because of it.

Vasco said:
Intangibility: kinda seems fine by me, first scan said she someone "phased" through the vox costume prison and the next scan we see her move through solid object or she simply jumped from it since there wasn't any trail before it (it could be possibly intangibility).
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In the bis scan with a lot of frames i put here she is using the words phasing again because she is creating the "avatar" again
Vasco said:
Accelerated Development: it's stated she became "maybe" more powerful and feels its probably because of the planet seeded with mar-vell's DNA and Phoenix energies (possibly Accelerated Development?). I can't really just deny it since it's stated she's "maybe" more powerful and the energy is different from how it initially was.

Inorganic physiology is fine since she's a being made of "energy".

Shapeshifting looks very limited, she only transformed into Carol probably cause they had a connection, no legit proof she can transform into other beings.
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Don't think so she turned into Carol because the news though she was Carol, this is kinda hard to explain but she developed her own conscious but she is like a baby aside talking she is basically a clean slate, when she started to help people of earth they confused her with Carol Danvers so she kinda shape shifted into her. As far as the comic goes it was never stated she is limited to Carol if something it implies she can do for anything, she has the same powers of Carol Danvers so she can control energy so since she is energy she is just controlling her shape and form into looking like other people, we actually had a scene right after she become conscious that she sees Hala star and she creates clothes out of her own energy shape since que wasn't even wearing anything.
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Antvasima said:
The new statistics should be fine, but I see no good reliable evidence for biological manipulation, intangibility, accelerated development, inorganic physiology, or shapeshifting.
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Suigetsuhyugs said:
What exactly do you mean?
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I meant that I do not see Carol herself explicitly freely changing the biological makeup of other lifeforms, turning intangible, permanently growing stronger every time she fights, or being able to freely change her physical form. The version of Binary that was separate from Carol also likely has inorganic physiology, but I see no proof for Carol herself.
 
Antvasima said:
I meant that I do not see Carol herself explicitly freely changing the biological makeup of other lifeforms, turning intangible, permanently growing stronger every time she fights, or being able to freely change her physical form. The version of Binary that was separate from Carol also likely has inorganic physiology, but I see no proof for Carol herself.
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She isnt she created a life form that has her own conscious, she can absorb her anytime and she can make another if she has enough energy but i wanted another key because Carol cant actually do those things only her "avatar" can.
 
Even if your interpretation is correct, which I haven't seen explicit evidence for yet, that does still not seem to fit with biological manipulation.
 
Antvasima said:
Even if your interpretation is correct, which I haven't seen explicit evidence for yet, that does still not seem to fit with biological manipulation.
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Yes i know aparently it can be absortion that has biological absortion as a possibility which i didnt knew existed, but if you can agree with the rest it could work right?
 
What do you want me to agree with exactly?
 
Why do you want to scale Carol from a separate character? Also, I already stated that I do not agree at all based on the scans that you linked to in your second to last post here.
Suigetsuhyugs said:
Also a comment about the calc i made for her speed would be great too
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Please link to it here. I am not authorised to evaluate calculations in blog posts though.
 
Antvasima said:
Why do you want to scale Carol from a separate character? Also, I already stated that I do not agree at all based on the scans that you linked to in your second to last post here.
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Well its like a summoning from a mage for example if that mage can summon a earth golem that his 10 times stronger why not add it to the profile? I think this situation is pretty similar. If her profile were to be used in a fight she could possibly make a "avatar" that might have powers similar to her opponent because of the DNA absortion. I thought you didnt agreed because you thought it was Carol's ability which i explained its not exacly her abilities.
Antvasima said:
Please link to it here. I am not authorised to evaluate calculations in blog posts though.
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Its not a blog yet i was thinking of hearing some opinions and its not a really big calc my question is about the method i used to calc the time frame
Suigetsuhyugs said:
Btw i think i have a way to get a better range for her speed using Starbrand contractions
We see this happening right before we start seeing the fight between Firelord and Captain Marvel
image.png

We are told that when a contraction happen her power goes crazy and Silver Surfer agrees here then we see the fight between Captain Marvel and Firelord with the word "meanwhile" we can assume that its happening at the ssame time so they were fighting a few lightyears away when the contraction happened.
During their fight they reach close to the planet and we see this
image.png

Either its the same contraction or another one going by google we got this
image.png

Considering she was very close to laber we could assume a 6 hours for low end 5 minutes as a mid end or the 60 seconds as a high end, while using at least 2 lightyears as distance.
Giving about
35040c for low end
210240c for mid end
1051200c for high end
I think the mid and high end should be closer considering she was already in contractions and she got there before the baby was even born
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Well, I am afraid that your suggestions for new powers above do not seem reliable, so they are not going to be applied, and you need to post any calculations in blog posts in our wiki, and then ask for calc group evaluations. My apologies.

Is there anything else left to do here, or can I close this thread?
 
I guess you can close, but her "avatar" should have better explainations in the next months so i might try to bring this up again
 
Antvasima said:
Well, I am afraid that your suggestions for new powers above do not seem reliable, so they are not going to be applied, and you need to post any calculations in blog posts in our wiki, and then ask for calc group evaluations. My apologies.

Is there anything else left to do here, or can I close this thread?
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Since you havent closed it yet i had time for the blog
vsbattles.fandom.com

Carol MFTL+ Danvers

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Have you asked for an evaluation?
 
Okay. Please tell us here if there are any developments in this regard.
 
Done so, may not be pleased with the result though.
 
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