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Hello there. Here we go again. I am here honestly to not only debunk the notion now that Re:Mind has been out for several days that 'Guardians' / 'Seekers' in the Base Game don't scale somewhat to Post Power of Waking Sora / Xehanort, but to describe things that maybe can help keep the upgrade the Guardians/Seekers previously got, and even upgrade existing keys prior to KH3. Also spoiler warning in the title. Due to (most) of these being relatively simple I won't be providing scans unless asked. Okay, here we go:
2-C Upgrade (End of KH3 - Re:Mind only scales to this)
All those who scale to or above KH1 Maleficent's level (She didn't gain power since KH1 as she has currently shown when in Union X. She put up more of a fight than Sora's Heartless against Data-Sora in Castle Oblivion alongside Pete. She tanked Sora's Heartless' direct attack alongside Pete with no damage and only went there to calm it down and wasn't attempting to fight the Heartless . Only scale to First Form Sora's Heartless)
Who scales to Re:Mind ? (2-C)
Those who were essentially active in the Keyblade Graveyard. Technically Namine scales via empowering/creating the Lingering Will but via hax only that usually most enemies wouldn't allow her to do mid fight... So likely not combat applicable.
2-C Upgrade (End of KH3 - Re:Mind only scales to this)
- Scales only to KH3 Keyblade Graveyard level adversaries as no prior levels were capable of affecting this level.
- Xehanort's Goal was to rewrite the concepts of Light & Darkness and remake the world. It wasn't just remaking the material world, but resetting Light and Darkness to make them equal, which due to the absurdity of this would requiring affecting both realms, which in prior threads was referred to as 2-C prior. Especially since he refers to both realms & Xehanort refers to world when referring to it being remade as being the Greater World and far more than merely the material world but all the Realms [Light, Darkness, Between] : "At present, the lanes and corridors that run between the worlds may only be traversed by us Keyblade wielders, and those who have given themselves over to darkness. As the former, our duty is to cross the chasms between worlds and guard against the latter, whose darkness corrupts and contaminates, so that no world need ever be lost again.Few Keyblade wielders remain now; I have heard of but a handful of others outside my circle. But the World is vast, and more of our kind may be out there.Now, in addition to the realm of light in which we reside, there is also a realm of darkness, and the realm between which connects the two. The realm of darkness is most forbidden; I am told none who set foot there have ever returned."
- Both Re:Mind and Base KH3 refers to Light & Darkness being impossible to live without the other . In other words if her were to remake the Realm of Light , it would have to remake the Realm of Darkness as well, in other words a jointed feat of 2-C.
- Realm Between connects both Realm of Light & Realm of Darkness.
- Re:Mind has several characters holding their own against "Post-Xehanort Sora"
- Re:Mind has Sora canonically utilize the datascape to take on data versions of every single entity after the events of Re:MInd's story, including Data
- Every single Guardian [sans Kairi, but she scales now directly for other reasons] was capable of taking on Xehanort Clones in Re:Mind , in which these Xehanort clones were the same ones that gave Sora trouble even before taking on the X-Blade. Even Mickey was doing surprisingly well against multiple of them while tired and worn out.
- All the Guardians can minimally affect Kingdom Hearts via the light from their keyblades, which while none of them are fully capable of stopping it, proves they somewhat scale.
- Datascape was considered to be equivalent to the Real World / Realm of Light
- Datascape was consistently called a Universe.
- Data Sora's Heartless was going to destroy the Datascape which would require him in this particular case to not only destroy the data equivalent of 'all worlds', but the data 'Realm of Light' , which would qualify as at least 3-A. This was done in a far weaker version which Data Sora fodderized, who was intended to only rival Sora from the original KH1 title, and King Mickey [Post-KH2 but not much stronger than he was back in BBS] assisted Data-Sora and stomped the final version of Sora's Heartless, who is the posterboy scaling point for most of Kingdom Heart's higher end keybearers and high level entities.
- We now have multiple points Data can be utilized to this end , such as in Union X where it can create alternate worldlines, and even in Re:Mind where now canonically Data can be used to preserve 3-As such as Kingdom Hearts and X-Blade. So 3-A for the Datascape isn't impossible even by the verse's standards for using data.
- 3-A supports how through training the otherwise Tier 4s ended up crossing into 3-A in the short end of maybe a year.
- It supports how High 4-C is literally for those scaling to severely weakened and heavily worn down keybearers. In-fact, even Pete scales above the Tier 4s of Zeus to such an extent he thought Sora was weak enough after fighting the Titans that he could stomp him into the ground.
- The Structure of the Worlds is noted to be the following by Nomura's word, which included the Realms of Light & Darkness if specific worlds such as Oblivion and Twilight Town : "As for the structure of the worlds, first, the so-to-speak normal worlds—the ones that Sora, the Disney characters and we live on—are situated in the Realm of Light. If you picture those worlds as existing on the same level on top of a giant plane, then on a separate level, in other words on the reverse side, exists the Realm of Darkness.Regarding the Realm Between, four worlds have appeared so far: (A) Castle Oblivion, (B) Twilight Town, (C) Yen Sid's Tower, and (D) The World That Never Was. You can think of them as arranged like a stairway extending between the two Realm layers, something like Light < C < B > A > D > Darkness
- Meaning if A,B,C,D exist in the Worlds within the Datascape , 9/10 the Realms associated with them would be such as well within the Datascape since they are directly associated with it due to being staircases between the Realms, which would increase the destruction caused by Sora's Heartless.
- Not only do they state countless times that every world is within the Datascape, it was intended to be an equal counterpart to it.
- If we go this route, it would mean the destruction of the Datascape would include these realms, and since the Datascape encompasses this cosmology it would explicitly wipe out both the Worlds & Realms within the Datascape, giving it at bare minimum a 3-A feat, if not potentially 2-C due to the Realm of Light and Darkness feat .
- Destroying the Realms =/= Rewritting the Realm's Concepts such as the X-Blade did, So, scaling to their destruction doesn't make any of them comparable to the X-Blade at all.
All those who scale to or above KH1 Maleficent's level (She didn't gain power since KH1 as she has currently shown when in Union X. She put up more of a fight than Sora's Heartless against Data-Sora in Castle Oblivion alongside Pete. She tanked Sora's Heartless' direct attack alongside Pete with no damage and only went there to calm it down and wasn't attempting to fight the Heartless . Only scale to First Form Sora's Heartless)
Who scales to Re:Mind ? (2-C)
Those who were essentially active in the Keyblade Graveyard. Technically Namine scales via empowering/creating the Lingering Will but via hax only that usually most enemies wouldn't allow her to do mid fight... So likely not combat applicable.