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Bleach Soul Potency

Zaratthustra

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After making a match with a character from Bleach, I've seen that no one knows for sure, most coming with different scaling. As the Soul Potency it's a really important power in Bleach, be it for resistance or attacking.

Every time a match it's made there it's thrown around "Soul Crush / Spiritual Pressure" with a different "potency" aka number. It's annoying to see every time different scaling, not only for me but also for other people that want or will decide to debate a fight. I don't want this to be a "civil war" thread but one where we can talk hopefully without bitting someone's head off.

I have as a goal that from this thread to result in a blog for Bleach where we would have scaling for the Soul Potency for its different characters and not what we have now "guessing the game (numbers)".

Scaling from what I've seen: Scaling from Tatsuki, Chad, and Inoue that resisted to Yammy absorption which could Soul Rip hundreds of souls. -- This can be seen in episode 113. The problem being that Gonzui (Soul Ripper) that Yammy used it's shown to not be able to absorb if "the target has a bit of spiritual power" (Tatsuki being the case) but it can also be a "lucky strike" like Yammy stated afterwords. This case's more likely that as long as you have "spiritual power", your soul gets resistance but then Ulquiorra stated that just being near Yammy, Tatsuki's soul it's on the verge of breaking.

Above non-existent spiritual power of Tatsuki are the hollows that are sure resistant to Soul Attacks but their potency it's not known. The problem, we don't know if Yammy could replicate the same things for them as he did with humans. The effect is most people think that if Tatsuki "got lucky" and resisted then they scale above Yammy's Gonzui.

Then are the Gillians that are agglomerations of dozens if not hundreds of these hollows. Above them are Adjuchas that have consumed an unknown number of those Gillians and other normal hollows. The problem, it can't be for sure know n if Adjuchas have only consumed just Gillians or if they even consumed one. It can be only a high number of normal hollows.

Then another problem it's that people use Stark to scale to other characters when we don't know for sure if he was stronger or weaker than the other characters at the moment when he passively crushed all those normal hollows or Adjuchas. Another cause it's that we don't know the "time" it took for Stark to kill all of them, all those hundreds to thousands could have just been killed in batches not all at once and over time the "mountains" of bodies appeared as they got killed once the other party entered in his range of spiritual pressure. Effect - people assume all Espada or characters that are comparable to the lower number Espada scales which its wrong as we can't just assume all of them can do the same. We just know that Aizen, Gin, and Tosen resisted to Stark but then we don't know if they could replicate the feat (excluding Aizen, he's the Übermensch). There are more characters that can more than sure replicate it but I only talk about those three.

Then we have the making of Oken which needed the entire population of Karakura Town which it's based on Western Tokyo (Which has a total population of 4,233,493 from 26 Cities, 3 Town, and 1 Village). I don't remember correctly but I'm sure that Aizen killed everyone that entered his range of Soul Crush. He needed the population to create the Key so more than sure he didn't kill all those people. I await more inputs here.

Then we have the problems of Multiplier which I find totally wrong as it's gone from Tatsuki (hundreds resistance - lucky as it was stated by Ulquiorra) to a 33 Billio for Base Stark because this would result in resistance to people on the league of Orihime and Chad or even lower.

One it's being to passively use it and one it's to actively use it where the characters effort themselves.

It's more than sure clear that Tatsuki it's weaker than Hollows which are weaker than Espadas and other characters.

It's stated that the characters at Vice-Captain and above have to restrict their power otherwise they would affect the real world.

There are more feats that I'm sure the more knowledgeable supporters known which may help this scaling work. I can be wrong in what I wrote, I won't ever deny this as I'm not an active member that debate Bleach. I just have my knowledge from anime and manga and that's why I want to create a blog with a scaling that will be added to the Bleach verse page which will help with this problem of Soul Potency.

I repeat again as usually, HST threads result in "civil war", I don't want this to happen here. I want a civilized debate which should be the norm here.

Short Summary

Let's make a Blog with scaling for Soul Crush / Spiritual Pressure for Bleach.
 
I'm not exactly sure how you can make a scaling blog it's not like we can see a numerical increase in terms of this unless you use their tiering.

For example how would you quantify the gap between Tatsuki and Yhwach? with just a tiny bit of spiritual power she can survive Yammy but then you have Yhwach who has the 2nd-3rd highest spiritual power in verse.

I'm not sure where this 33,000,000 comes from. It's the 1st I've ever heard of in any thread. But for Stark it is very obvious he did it over time.
 
It was actually 33,000,000,000. Which is insane.

I've also heard other bleach fans say something like 23,000,000,000 for the top tiers.
 
The 33 Billions multiplier was a first time for me too as I disagree with it too.

I agree too with Stark too who's done it over time, it was clear shown that he stayed for a prolonged time in that place in Hueco Mundo.

Regarding the blog. I want to create one doesn't matter how big. It can even be just a tiny section on Bleach verse page but it will help with all confusion and all diffrerent numbers people give in matches.

I'm not sure how I should quantify the gap between Tatsuki and Yhwach that's why I made this thread where we should debate it and how we should go on with this problem. I want as many supporters to parcipate so we can resolve it.
 
Question: this may be dumb, but can't we use a "SP chain", so to speak, like an AP chain? We could use someone like Tatsuki as a baseline, and Aizen as the top (or PSK, but he's waaaay higher than even Aizen), and then we work on defining the SP difference between each of the places? To cut back on time, we can place people with similar SP in the same spot and pick one person to define that position
 
I mean how do you even use a multiplier like that for soul hax? We don't do that with mind hax, if we did, something like Madara's IT would be so far above planetary it'd be ridiculous.

Like, far higher than 33 billion.
 
YungManzi said:
I mean how do you even use a multiplier like that for soul hax? We don't do that with mind hax, if we did, something like Madara's IT would be so far above planetary it'd be ridiculous.
Like, far higher than 33 billion.
Could we do something like rate them on a scale to 10? Tat being a 1, god tiers being 10s?
 
I should really be going to sleep rn so Imma just ask where you got the '''not be able to absorb if "the target has a bit of spiritual power"''' from? This is never stated to be a weakness or a trait of Gonzui and Tatsuki resisting it is a feat for her and not an anti feat for the tech.
 
yeah , tatsuki could resist post chrysalis aizen's casual reiatsu , she have enormous ammount of resistance . Gonzui affecting her in any way is feat for gonzui for sure
 
Tbf Tatsuki sensing Aizen was PIS or her having oddly consistent superior ESP feats to everyone else once again. Not sure which I prefer tbh.
 
Naeblis495 said:
yeah , tatsuki could resist post chrysalis aizen's casual reiatsu , she have enormous ammount of resistance . Gonzui affecting her in any way is feat for gonzui for sure
So why is everyone scailing to her resistance then?
 
Because this is a weaker Tatsuki than later on and Chad and Orihime no sell this. Hime has soul resist feats from people far stronger but Chad really doesn't. Plus Aizen wasn't trying to RC, had nerfed himself a lot and had basically done what Chair sama did and kept his reiatsu limited to right around himself so he wasn't killing off the souls he needed for the Oken unless they got too close.
 
Episode 113 - the talk between Yammy and Ulquiorra. not be able to absorb if "the target has a bit of spiritual power"

"For my Gonzui to fall at tearing out your soul, you must have a bit of soul power hidding in you somewhere! Right?!" - Yammy

"Her soul is about to break simply by you being close to her." - Ulquiorra

"So, she was just lucky that she survived my Gonzui." - Yammy
 
I think when he says "a bit", he doesn't actually mean a small amount, but a fairly decent amount, like saying "that's quite a bit of blank". The context of the rest of the situation seems to say that Yammy overestimated her for surviving Gonzui
 
@Baki

"By controlling Reishi which dwells in matter, a Fullbringer is able to distort and manipulate the matter itself, and at times, even the laws of physics. Moreover, they can invoke their very own abilities through the transfiguration of an object in their possession which they hold a particular attachment to. However, that isn't the case for this individual."
 
Sigurd Snake in The Eye said:
@Baki
"By controlling Reishi which dwells in matter, a Fullbringer is able to distort and manipulate the matter itself, and at times, even the laws of physics. Moreover, they can invoke their very own abilities through the transfiguration of an object in their possession which they hold a particular attachment to. However, that isn't the case for this individual."
Wait, all Reishi is considered a soul? I though in Bleach it was basically spiritual matter that is in everything and a soul was just something composed/made out of Reishi.
 
Huh, interesting and cool. Another question, Could the "everything has a soul" statement refer to only objects such as gum and a pool stick that is composed of a bunch of matter and naturally Reishi means that object has a soul rather than molecular and scattered matter having souls?
 
Sigurd Snake in The Eye said:
@Baki
"By controlling Reishi which dwells in matter, a Fullbringer is able to distort and manipulate the matter itself, and at times, even the laws of physics. Moreover, they can invoke their very own abilities through the transfiguration of an object in their possession which they hold a particular attachment to. However, that isn't the case for this individual."
So... Bleach just became even more OP for me (especially Quincys)
 
Dienomite22 said:
Huh, interesting and cool. Another question, Could the "everything has a soul" statement refer to only objects such as gum and a pool stick that is composed of a bunch of matter and naturally Reishi means that object has a soul rather than molecular and scattered matter having souls?
I thought the same until Aura showed up in the novel.
 
Dienomite22 said:
I'm assuming Aura stuff will be brought up in the this thread. I'll wait and see whats that all about.
As the remnants of what used to be the dark red dragons float around aimlessly in the surroundings, Michibane Aura was standing there flashing a smile that was as bold as ever.

"No, if anything, it's like she controlled the soul within nitrogen and constructed it into a barrier… I guess that's how I'd describe it. Oh my, that you're able to do that in the Human World which has a weaker Reishi presence, it is truly an amazing thing."

Here is one.
 
0_0 damn. Is this a one off statement or is there multiple? You don't have to post another quote, I'll just take your word for it since you've been providing evidence so for everything.
 
Dienomite22 said:
0_0 damn. Is this a one off statement or is there multiple? You don't have to post another quote, I'll just take your word for it since you've been providing evidence so for everything.
There was another but I can't find it.
 
TOAAPRESENCE1 said:
Now the whole math that was mention before does not seem out of this world now.
Well it can get quite ridiculous for example...

" for a typical human of 70 kg, there are almost 7*1027 atoms"

@Dien

"Those were all the basic abilities of a Fullbringer.… But, it's just that the level is abnormally high. As if shifting water or earth, I think she is capable of influencing and manipulating things like the cells of her own body or the atmosphere itself. By holding sway over her own body through its blood and skeletal structure…no, rather in units of brain or blood cells, whilst still living and breathing she is able to cause a metamorphosis of her own body into a smoke-like state for instance, that goes beyond the conventional norms of a Fullbringer however."

Here she can manipulate indicviual cells and turn herself into mist.
 
I don't think that logic would apply though. Based off the statements, you gave me I assume humans still have just 1 soul and atoms by themselves are just weak souls and once atoms come together and form whatever, that object still only has 1 soul but it's soul is stronger than the atom's soul.
 
@dien

see my edit, the thing she can do deeper and manipulate indivudal cells, atoms or whaever.

Her power is essentially physics manipulation via soul manipulation.
 
Sigurd Snake in The Eye said:
@dien
see my edit, the thing she can do deeper and manipulate indivudal cells, atoms or whaever.

Her power is essentially physics manipulation via soul manipulation.
I thought you were implying humans have those crazy amount of souls based on atoms having souls. I would take her manipulating her cells to mean she's manipulating her 1 soul (no way right?) and that soul is made up from a bunch of atoms and their weak souls. I think that's whats happening but I could be wrong.
 
The problem is: does all those souls have the same density?

I mean, does human soul equates to nitrogen soul or human soul is superior to the other? If they equate to each other, boy, bleach soul potency could exceed billions.
 
Eganergo said:
The problem is: does all those souls have the same density?
I mean, does human soul equates to nitrogen soul or human soul is superior to the other? If they equate to each other, boy, bleach soul potency could exceed billions.
According to the scans above, they do not. Objects seem to have weaker souls and I'd assume the smaller the object is, the weaker the object's soul but that could lead to arguments like elephants or whales having bigger souls than normal humans as well and I don't know if anything like that is suggested in the series.

Though I guess humans could be special or objects and lone particules have weak souls just because.
 
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