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The accepted (if so) low-end should be used instead of a high-end where no one is certain that it is that specific number
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Bleach Soul Potency
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3x Planetary for Yhwach seems about right, but with Aura and her "nitrogen has a soul" thing, SK is just gunna be a headache
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You're mistaken thinking that "nitrogen has a soul" only is a thing for SK.BakiHanma18 said:
Aura was manipulating those nitrogen souls and could manipulate a city sized ocean's worth and Quincy are able to manipulate matter too.
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I think he means that it will be a pain to try and get the potency of the soul hax of the SKIMadeThisOn8-1-2017 said:
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Soul King will be easy thanks to Memories of Nobody, anyone else will be tricky thanks to atom souls.
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Yeah, meant this^TOAAPRESENCE1 said:
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Oh shit, forgot about that movieIMadeThisOn8-1-2017 said:
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The argument for 3x planetary is also very wonky. As it applies an AP feat to a hax feat.
In general a lot of these upgardes to RC require either heavy assumptions or heavy leaps in logic.
That's why nobdoy who isn't a real supporter of the verse agrees with them.
Everything from the scaling argument (Which we do for no other verses. If we did soul and mind manipulation on this wiki would become a lot more cheese than it already is), to the atom souls, and also Mimihagi stabilizing 3 planets.
It's all fishy imo.
In general a lot of these upgardes to RC require either heavy assumptions or heavy leaps in logic.
That's why nobdoy who isn't a real supporter of the verse agrees with them.
Everything from the scaling argument (Which we do for no other verses. If we did soul and mind manipulation on this wiki would become a lot more cheese than it already is), to the atom souls, and also Mimihagi stabilizing 3 planets.
It's all fishy imo.
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I was just thinking 3x planetary worked because Yhwach's plan involved consuming all 3 worlds with his reiatsu. Yhwach would be pretty stupid to make this plan and he couldn't even do itYungManzi said:
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It's all done with Reiatsu, The Soul King doesn't only stabilize the planets with his Reiatsu, he also oversees and regulates all souls in the verse, which he made to begin with. Reiatsu Crush literally being the Reiatsu that Shinigami produce to crush.
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"Oh shit honey , i know i got you all worked up and all , but i can't seem to get it up..."BakiHanma18 said:
Anyway , until a proper scale is created and accepted , let's say reiatsu crush is 200 souls worth as a low ball and call it a day for now .
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lol
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200s souls sounds like absolute downplay despite us already having numbers to work with, 3x planetary from the weakened SK and the SK made all the souls in Bleach and regularly governs them.
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B R U H XDNaeblis495 said:
but yeah, I agree that that should be the established lowball given the evidence
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We can debate the rest of the stuff, I believe it's just bare minimum 2 hundred souls because of Yammy and his big boi breath being able to succ up "hundreds" of souls (at least 200 if not more)The Prince of Counters said:
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Two things.
One, Yammy's soul suck. Yeah, that's legit for potency, but that mortal chick who survived it, that's where the problem comes in. The wiki works on the spread thin idea, in which potency is reduced the more it's used on. If Yammy used all his potency on her, then there would be no problem, but she resisted it while he was sucking up everyone else, which would make it a baseline resistance, if that given she was heavily incapacitated. Same factor neutered the planetary mental resistances of Touhou and Naruto.
Second thing. Just because you've created an x amount of souls doesn't mean you can soulhax like that. Say SK created 99 billion souls. That's cool and all, but that doesn't mean his Reiatsu Crush has the potency of 99 billion soul crushes, because they're not the same application.
One, Yammy's soul suck. Yeah, that's legit for potency, but that mortal chick who survived it, that's where the problem comes in. The wiki works on the spread thin idea, in which potency is reduced the more it's used on. If Yammy used all his potency on her, then there would be no problem, but she resisted it while he was sucking up everyone else, which would make it a baseline resistance, if that given she was heavily incapacitated. Same factor neutered the planetary mental resistances of Touhou and Naruto.
Second thing. Just because you've created an x amount of souls doesn't mean you can soulhax like that. Say SK created 99 billion souls. That's cool and all, but that doesn't mean his Reiatsu Crush has the potency of 99 billion soul crushes, because they're not the same application.
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SK can contol all reishi which is what the soul is made off.
He also regulates (controls) all the souls to keep things in balance.
He also regulates (controls) all the souls to keep things in balance.
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I don't think that really changes my point.
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Don't think your exemples work here, to simplify:The real cal howard said:
- I use a 100 Megaton bomb to kill 100 people, one of them resisted in the explosion, do that mean you used 1 Megaton on her? no.
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I mean, kinda. The people absorb the impact and distance to the explosion matters. It's just that the stat difference between a person and a nuke is so massive that it doesn't matter.
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Huh ƒñö
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Not really tho, another exemple, You, and 9 other peoples are on a room which have a 100 C┬░ temperature, 9 peoples die and you survive, do you resist to only a 10 C┬░? again noThe real cal howard said:
Yami's soul absorbtion was on the purpose of absorbing the maximum output of soul he could, if one of them resisted, that mean that this output isn't enough to absorb the soul of the said person.
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Basically, the random mortals soul resistance is higher than Yami's soul potency. For no reason at all but that's just how it was.
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Rinnegan users got reduced to the next best mindhax feat in terms of resistance, actually.
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Not really tho, another exemple, You, and 9 other peoples are on a room which have a 100 C┬░ temperature, 9 peoples die and you survive, do you resist to only a 10 C┬░? again no
Yami's soul absorbtion was on the purpose of absorbing the maximum output of soul he could, if one of them resisted, that mean that this output isn't enough to absorb the soul of the said person.
No. But that's because the room was capable of being heated to 100 degrees C. If the room was bigger, then the temperature would go down because the heat moves out. Yammy is the heat while the souls are the room.
Exactly. He traded potency for range, because he didn't expect anyone survive it and he could get the max. That's how spreading thin works.
Yami's soul absorbtion was on the purpose of absorbing the maximum output of soul he could, if one of them resisted, that mean that this output isn't enough to absorb the soul of the said person.
No. But that's because the room was capable of being heated to 100 degrees C. If the room was bigger, then the temperature would go down because the heat moves out. Yammy is the heat while the souls are the room.
Exactly. He traded potency for range, because he didn't expect anyone survive it and he could get the max. That's how spreading thin works.
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I don't like how we treat amount of souls as the potency rather then range. Same goes with minds. But eh that's how it is for now.
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Nah, in my exemple, the heat is Yami's Soul suck which cover all the space in a defined area (the room) and the peoples inside are the souls, he has the potency to normally kill (absorb the souls) of all the peoples in this room (the 10 peoples) but one of them survived (so has a resistance to 100┬░C), the souls aren't the room, but inside the room, simple.The real cal howard said:
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That is just an assumption, he killed all the others easily, the one who survived was a special case, it's even highlighted if you read all the dialogues. There is no need to think in a way that isn't the most logical way in which is written. he even said she was just luck, while in the reality she had resistance thanks to link with ichigo.The real cal howard said:
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Tats only survived because she has slightly more Reiryoku than a normal human, which increases ones resistance to soul manipulation.
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It's the bare minimum we can argue for sure.The Prince of Counters said:
All other numbers , until properly debated and accepted , are hard to argue with.
It's a temporary mesure for the few bleach matches that could come up by the time we work on the actual scale .
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There was a thread just recently that made a compelling point that AP=/= reiatsu, and that the girl that resisted Yammy's suck just has extremely high resistance. Hell, she even survives Aizen when he's in a state that people without resistance can't get too close without being oof'd
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Literally everyone was close to Aizen without issue. The one that got actually ****** was the dude that got close.
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Exactly, that dude didn't have any resistance, so he got murdered. Now of course all of Ichigo's have enough resistance that Aizen maxing his suppression of his reiatsu was enough to not kill them, but anyone with out resistance... oof'dLSirLancelotDuLacl said:
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