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Samus Aran vs Lucy (Elfen Lied)

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Samus Ara vs Lucy (Elfen Lied)

Both are in their 6-C Keys

Samus has access to all of her weaponry and items in her mentioned key

Speed is equalized

Battle takes place in Times Square, NY― after Samus received orders from the Federation to eliminate the source of the Vector Virus (Lucy).

Galactic Bounty Hunter: 0

Diclonius Queen: 1 (EnnardTrap1987)

Inconclusive: 7 (XSOULOFCINDERX, Migue79, Newindigo, The Prince of Counters, SomebodyData, DarkDragonMedeus, ElixirBlue)
 
doesnt 6-C lucy melt and die in a matter of seconds regardless? oh wait, no, im thinking of when she's enraged. forget i said anything.
 
well based on SBA they start at the edge of the range of the character with the longer range. so their atleast 2 km apart, so good luck hitting lucy with anything from that distance. especially before lucy kills samus with her invisible vectors capable of bypassing dura.
 
It should also be noted that Lucy has 14 Individual vectors that she can manipulate at will, including changing their size.
 
No. She has a total of 28.

Let me get on my MacBook to debate this RQ.
 
Samus has Non-Physical Interaction with the intangible (Spatial, Immaterial, and Elemental).
 
Bob8999 said:
well based on SBA they start at the edge of the range of the character with the longer range. so their atleast a km apart, so good luck hitting lucy with anything from that distance. especially before lucy kills samus with her invisible vectors capable of bypassing dura.
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Samus can see invisible beings and objects with the plethora of scopes she has. She also has Enhanced Senses and Precog.
 
she bypasses dura through vibrating her vectors, their not intangible or anything just vibrating between molecules. so i dont think non-physical interaction helps here.
 
I don't see what destroying the vectors is going to do when she can spawn them back.

Anyways, I am now on my PC to debate this.

AP difference? Baseline 6-C (4.3 Gigatons) vs. 5.74 Gigatons. Again, a neglegible AP difference.

I want to point out that Lucy terribly outranges here (possibly ******* PLANETARY) and loves to range spam and AoE spams. She can make the vectors the size of islands, so unless the attacks that Samus used to destroy the mountains had had that much AoE, her trying to destroy them isn't going to do much.

I should point out that when she gets enraged, she one-shots and gets a speed amp to the point where she can blitz from up to 10 meters. And her getting her 28 island sized vectors amped in speed is going to be very troublesome even for Samus with her Precog.
 
Is that a vote for Lucy, or are you declaring this match as a mismatch/stomp?
 
Oh, it's definitely not a stomp. Samus has a good load of win-cons with her hax, all of which Lucy can't resist for the LIFE OF HER.

I guess I'll vote for her for now. Her planetary range, AP & speed amps via rage (her getting enraged is in-character), whacky AoE and many vectors may allow her to win more often than not as it allows her to evade everything Samus can throw at her by just sitting out of her range. At least I believe so.
 
I personally thought Samus was gonna win via hax. Guess we'll wait for more input.
 
Hmm... Do correct me if I'm wrong here, but the AoE of Samus' attacks are big enough to bust a 1000-2000m tall mountain, right?

If so, then I don't think Samus has the appropriate AoE to defend against Lucy's Island sized vectors.
 
Well, she did shoot her vectors up into space while threatening to kill the world and then shoot them back down right at Kouta. Soooooo, the possibility is definitely there.

But if I want to be honest, I would say Lucy would have to see the AoE of her attacks before she resorts to making them that size. Considering they start off with no prior knowledge, I don't think she'd lead with that. But it's definitely in-character for her to use them.
 
I should note that Mother Brain has abilities similar to Lucy, but more advanced. And Samus was able to resist just about all of her abilities. And she was able to pretty much solo all the Space Pirates despite Mother Brain trying to mind control her the whole time. With some of those Space Pirates such as Kraid and Ridley being on the same tier as her.
 
Samus is baseline, 4.3 Gigatons. Lucy is 5.74 Gigatons.

According to Migue79.
 
And yes, the Vectors can grow to the size of islands in her enraged state, as seen here. Along with the diameter of the Planet Earth.

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DarkDragonMedeus said:
I should note that Mother Brain has abilities similar to Lucy, but more advanced. And Samus was able to resist just about all of her abilities. And she was able to pretty much solo all the Space Pirates despite Mother Brain trying to mind control her the whole time. With some of those Space Pirates such as Kraid and Ridley being on the same tier as her.
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Mother Brain doesn't have any of Lucy's abilities though?
 
Uh... where the hell is this 'Lucy can mindhax' thing coming from?? Is it from her Telepathy? She only uses it to communicate with other people. Not to mindhax or, you know. It's a bit OOC for her to use it that way.

And the AP difference is 1.33x in Samus' favor. Again, a very small AP difference which Lucy can easily overcome by getting enraged. Lucy is also more mobile than Samus. (Limited flight >>> No flight).

Correct me if I'm wrong on this next bit, but her Wave Beam is essentially waves. Lucy's vectors operate by similar means, meaning that if they meet out of phase from each other, either Samus's attack will cancel out or Lucy's will (depends on the AoE).

Anywho, considering the nature of this interesting MU, XSOULOFCINDERX and I debated this a bit on Discord, and we came to a conclusion.

This MU is too dependent on whether Lucy would use her Island sized vectors early on or not. If Lucy does, Samus is just going to get overwhelmed as the former's AoE simply outshines the latter's own (Literal Island AoE vs. Mountain AoE) and there's nothing Samus can do once she gets enraged, which is in-character.

If she doesn't use it early on, Samus should be able to engineer a way to beat Lucy with her Genius intelligence and Precognition. Straight forward.

Things get a bit difficult to determine once we examined which of the two scenarios is the more likely one to happen. The main reason why is because how bloodlusted and unpredictable Lucy is at the point in time of the key: She threatens to destroy the world in a bit of a rash manner. And then she immediately proceeds to try to kill a single person with her vectors after she shot them up into space. Sooo, yeah. A bit unpredictable, whiiiiiich makes things hard to determine. So this MU could go either way.

With all this and the advantages both of the women have, I change my vote to Inconclusive.
 
It's more that she uses her extreme frequency vectors (when she makes them visible to the naked eye and/or makes them explode) that causes her to melt. But yes.

I should point out that she lasts longer while enraged than people think and that she can still fight even while melting.
 
Samus can multiply her AP and Durability by 5 with rage power. And actually, Mother Brain does have all of MB's abilities including Telepathy and Telekinesis. And she does have Technology manipulations, and Samus and stuff like biology manipulation and technology manipulation kind of require being able to effect Samus' mind; given that her mind is interconnected so her suit.
 
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