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Shovel Knight AP nerf

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So yeah, this kind of sucks, but The Enchantress didn't cause the Tower of Fate to collapse. The Tower of Fate collapsed due to Plague Knight's Ultimate Potio, which is made of the essances of literally every major character but Plague Knight (I.E. It's way above what Plague Knight is capable of normally). The earthquake was also likely caused by this, meaning that feat's also not applicable. While Plague Knight did defeat the Ultimate Potion, it's been implied by Yacht Club and by the name of the track that plays when fighting it being called "The Battle Within" that this fight only takes place in Plague Knight's head, and is more of a struggle against his own lust for power.
 
I would suggest contacting some of the supporters for the verse (espically those who argeed with that feat in the first place)

assuming they do get downgraded, both phantom striker and baz use lightning to empower themselfs and attack, so Building level could be a good option for there AP value if there are no better feats.
 
Truth Bullets said:
Where's the proof that the Ultimate Essence destroyed the Tower of Fate? In the main campaign, defeating the Enchantress is the direct cause behind the collapse.Anyhow that's all there is to say, the rest of your points are null if you don't have evidence the Ultimate Essence caused that.
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In Plague Knights Campaign it is revealed that Plague Knight and Mona used the Ultimate potion to destroy the tower.https://youtu.be/FepgLbOgDqE?t=2563.

Its possible that he just activated the potion at the same time as Shovel Knight defeating the enchantress, since the final battles of both campaigns take place around the same time.
 
Neutral on downgrade, this smells like a retcon of events or different timelines to me. That said, if we do indeed go through with this (Dargoo should be included in discussions as well, since IIRC his thread was the one that revised AP) we should find more consistent feats.
 
If there's even a minute amount of unironic intent behind those words I will ban you until the year 4000
 
There's nothing that confirms that Plague of Shadows is non-canon or an alternate timeline, nor does anything really contradict Shovel of Hope and Plague of Shadows.
 
The Smashor said:
There's nothing that confirms that Plague of Shadows is non-canon or an alternate timeline, nor does anything really contradict Shovel of Hope and Plague of Shadows.
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I didn't say there was any such confirmation, only that it was an extremely feasible scenario. After all, though the differences are slight, there is a difference from Plague Knight's perspective.

Like I said in my original post, entirely neutral. But that means I'm open to all possibilities, including one where it does the thing that games do.
 
Alright then, even in the scenario of a retcon, in the original scenario it was still heavily implied that defeating the Enchantress caused the tower to collapse. Although Plague Knight could've set off the potion at the same time, it's more likely just a writing error.

Regardless, the ultimate potion being the essence of every major character doesn't at all mean nobody scales to it. Even if they all had to use their powers to make that potion, it wouldn't mean that they don't scale to it. Being the direct cause behind that effect means that have to scale to it, that's basic Hume's Razor.

Shovel Knight also did a gauntlet where he defeated everybody on end, and every character in Shovel Knight Showdown can run the tourney and face off against every character. Hell, in Plague Knight's story he fights 15 clones of Propeller Knight in the same stage. That's more than the power of the ultimate potion. They definitely scale.
 
Regardless, if you revise the current page, it should be something like this:

At least City Block level (Defeated the entire Order of No Quarter, while each knight's power within it created a weapon destroying the Tower of Fate), possibly Large Town level (The Tower of Fate's destruction possibly caused an earthquake that collapsed the structure and could be felt from the Village)

Now that I think about it, why aren't they just Large Town level? Why add the City Block end? It makes no sense when the same earthquake definitely caused a higher end feat. That's not even a "possibly," that's definitively what happened.
 
A fraction of each Knight's power. And it's not a direct fraction either, since the Enchatress' was much more powerful than everyone else's.
 
The word "essence" no where implies it's only a fraction of the Knight's power. It's likely just their power lol.

Also everybody can defeat the Enchantress, she's just a little stronger than them and has crazy powers in the verse.
 
Shovel Knights the only Knight who actually defeats the enchantress though (I.e damage her to the point where she reverts to shield knight)

She says during Plague of Shadows that shes able to kill plague knight, but chooses not to (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lrqHCnY2DOI)

She flat out calls Specter Knight a weakling after there fight and doesn't even act hurt. Specter Knight at this point had already beaten every other member of the order

(https://youtu.be/eviYtCbRd5o?t=349)

The Enchantress being notably above every other Knight is implied pretty heavily.
 
She says during Plague of Shadows that shes able to kill plague knight, but chooses not to

She also said she would defeat Shovel Knight and he beat her. Plague Knight also scales to him, so he could still defeat her. This is mainly just a threat because she's such a powerful figure.

She says during Plague of Shadows that shes able to kill plague knight, but chooses not to

Insults =/= definitive AP statements, especially when she insulted Shovel Knight as well (iirc)

The Enchantress being notably above every other Knight is implied pretty heavily.

And yet other Knights are comparable to Shovel Knight, who defeated her. The other knights can also defeat her in Shovel Knight Showdown during a time warp before Shovel Knight's story. She's strong, but not completely out of the range of the other knights
 
I already got it all down.

Explosion Manipulation

https://yachtclubgames.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/10/choice_0019_PlatterBomb-360x202.png

https://yachtclubgames.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/10/choice_0017_Bubble-Bomb-360x202.png

https://yachtclubgames.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/10/choice_0016_Siege-Bomb-360x202.png

https://yachtclubgames.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/10/choice_0004_Bomb-Basket-360x202.png

Magnetism Manipulation

https://yachtclubgames.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/10/choice_0014_Repeller-360x202.png

Statistics Amplification

https://yachtclubgames.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/10/choice_0013_Bee-bersk-360x202.png

Transmutation (AOE)

https://yachtclubgames.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/10/choice_0009_Fairy-Wand-360x202.png

Paralysis Inducement (AOE)

https://yachtclubgames.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/10/choice_0001_Slamvil-360x202.png

Invulnerability

https://yachtclubgames.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/10/choice_0015_Ichor-of-Fort-360x202.png

Time Slow

https://yachtclubgames.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/10/choice_0007_Chronos-Coin-360x202.png

Spatial Manipulation

https://yachtclubgames.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/10/choice_0006_Warping-360x202.png

Sealing

https://yachtclubgames.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/10/choice_0002_Joustus-360x202.png

Energy Manipulation

https://yachtclubgames.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/10/choice_0005_Cube-of-Zorix-360x202.png

Electricity/Weather Manipulation

https://yachtclubgames.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/10/choice_0008_Witherbolt-360x202.png

Homing Attack, Danmaku

https://yachtclubgames.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/10/choice_0000_Remnant-360x202.png
 
its not like the Knights actually carry any of those items around with them though. even during Showdown, they only have access to items if they spawn in the environment.

If they do get added to there profiles, it should be only as optional equipment, and should have a seperate tabber in there power and abillilty sections to differentate it from there regular powers.
 
The man with the Midas touch said:
If they do get added to there profiles, it should be only as optional equipment, and should have a seperate tabber in there power and abillilty sections to differentate it from there regular powers.
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Yeah, that seems fine
 
Just because the other knights are comparable to Shovel Knight does not mean they are as strong as him, this is pretty much the exact same case for many characters. Shovel Knight outright beated everyone by himself while they were all together, it's very clear that he is above them all. I would also like to point out that Shield Knight likely survived the entire explosion.
 
The explosion was at the base of the tower, while Shield Knight was significantly higher up in it.
 
Come to think of it, tier 4 shovel Knight is suprisingly consistant.

The two things that were calced once, not to mention the black mirrior in Showdown likely created the world that everyone's fighting in, which contains a star
 
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