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Yujiro Hanma vs Homelander (GRACE)

yujiro severly outskills, has pseudo precog, anylitical prediction, madness manip, a fairly large lifting strength advantage (which he could use to overpower/pin homelander or just pick up and throw stuff.), and slight dura neg.
 
How do you predict lasers? I'm currently questioning how his prediction works when it's already not always used (as seen with Baki when he repeatedly fails to predict what he's about to do). Furthermore...

Flight.

Madness manip I'm hesitant on saying it works on superheroes who are pretty mad themselves
 
why would lasers do anything? they dont bypass dura or anything, its just a ranged attack and their AP should be similar + once yujiro knows homelander has them, they wont be hard to dodge, they move in a straight line and the eyes glow red when/before their fired, flight can be countered by yujiro predicting where homelander is going to be and throwing stuff at him or just jumping high enough to get into CQC.
 
It's not just about AP vs AP, I admit it's close. It's literally one gut attacking the other while being completely safe above the sky. Yujiro has to find a way to get close.

Also literally anyone can say they can predict the laser. Reacting to them is another thing entirely. All it takes is a look for Yujiro to get hit and sure he can be dodging and moving towards, but Homelander can punch while shooting it.


If he's not above the air.

Anyway that's all I'll say for now
 
Ciruno Fortes said:
It's not just about AP vs AP, I admit it's close. It's literally one guy attacking the other while being completely safe above the sky. Yujiro has to find a way to get close.

or he can throw stuff, or he can jump, i mean he should be more than physically strong enough to jump even several miles into the air. plus i dont believe thats how homelander fights so i dont think yujiro would even need to get close, homelander would eventually come to him.

Also literally anyone can say they can predict the laser. Reacting to them is another thing entirely. All it takes is a look for Yujiro to get hit and sure he can be dodging and moving towards, but Homelander can punch while shooting it.


speed is equalized and if it wasnt yujiro would easily blitz + he has pseudo precognition, analytical prediction, information analysis and body manipulation so yujiro dodging isnt out of the question.

If he's not above the air.

Anyway that's all I'll say for now
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Homelander is supposed go get downgraded.
 
Dude it's been 10 minutes. No need to bump.

Anyway Yujiro's analytical prediction is reliant on literally one feat where it's a common cliche for a Rival or villain to say "This enemy of yours can take you down in one strike" and such. It's flawed to interpret that somehow he can predict every single instance of battle feat from that one stance.

I do concede on the other one though. This isn't Homelander from the series after all.


And oof
 
Dunno if this is still on cuz Homelanders downgrade, but gotta go Yujiro. All he would need is for Homelander to get close once, and he can use Pinch to latch on and demolish him via his massive arsenal. Now, if Homelander zones, this would likely be incon, in that Yujiro gets hit once, then aim dodges John's eyes, and John wouldn't be able to land a hit, but he'd be safe in the sky, but the one problem is John's temperament. After being casually evade for however long, it's likely he'd get extremely pissed off aand go in for the kill, at which point Yujiro seals the deal
 
Yujiro, he is far more skilled and intelligent than Homelander and his demon back if far superior to Baki's which increased his power by atleast 2x so imagine the boost that Yujiro's demon back will give him
 
AP wise homelander seems to be baseline high 7-C or 100 kt, base yujiro gets his 7-C AP from casually stopping an earth quake and based on this the only 7-C earthquake is 15 kt so there is a roughly 6.6x AP diffrence (unless one of them has a calc im unaware of.) but with with demon back he should scale way above that and if we use baki as a refrence it should increase his AP by atleast 2x or 30 kt shrinking the gap to 3.3x.
 
Homelander scales above 143 Kilotons. Yujiro is vastly above 15 kilotons in base and vastly above 65 kilotons in Demon Back.

Anyways, attack reflection and defensive xiao lee should make up for it.
 
Attack Reflection works against people way stronger than himself and the same goes for Xiao Lee that is basically damage reduction that also works against people stronger than you.
 
but no one in the series is supposed to be stronger than him...and do they work against non-physical attacks like heat vision?
 
He's referring to the people Yujiro got these skills from. The individual with Attack Reflection goes from 9-A to 7-C with it and the Xiao-Lee ability allows for the other individual to tank and redirect 7-C attacks dispite being 10-C, so these are very potent skills, both of which Yujiro has mastered
 
Might be a bit of a surprise if used the first time.

Also yeah disagreeing with attack reflection working on stronger enemies but vote is unchanged. Sorry for format but kobile rn.

Anyway21 hours before race
 
Can he really aim dodge someone's eyes? How will "Pinch and Yujiro's massive arsenal" demolish him when he has much higher durability?
 
Yujiro's pressure points make people faint with a light tap


So yeah
 
The whole point of pressure points is that they ignore durability to an extent, and Yujiro has some of the best.
 
Cropfist said:
Can he really aim dodge someone's eyes? How will "Pinch and Yujiro's massive arsenal" demolish him when he has much higher durability?
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There is no "much higher durability". DB ups him to oneshotting 65KT, incredibly close to, if not considerably above 100KT. And via scaling to a simple stomp in the Bakiverse, which amps striking strength by 3-4x, he has several amps that make him massively stronger than John
 
I feel like there's a level where pressure points can apply as a durability negation in some ways... But if the enemy is too durable it won't work.
 
That's true, but the difference here isn't enogh to make it not work
 
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