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Making BB, and Gilgamesh More OP

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So, far the accepted abilities, powers, and resistances on this thread appear to be...

Meltlilith accepted abilities/power.
Energy Manipulaito , and Transmutation (can turn beings into pure energy, and absorb that energy as EXP .)

Disease Manipulation and Size Manipulation (The Melt virus is considered a disease, and can change the size of the target to being "nano-sized." )

Durability Negation (The poison of Melt Virus works from the inside first then the outside last. It melts the mind/psyche of the target,and also affects the soul. )

Law manipulation , and time manipulation (She overwrote a basic rule in the MoonCell that delts with "The passage of time" to make her self invincible. )

Intangibility (She is made of a Phantasmagoric Liquid .)

BFR and Pocket reality (She can send target into a new reality within her "heart. )"

Empathic Manipulation (Can cause the heart to be moved by her control over the "Flow" of various concepts .)

Concept manipulation Type 4, and possibly type 3. (Her melt virus can affect intangible, and inorganic objects and beings including Skills, and thoughts .)

Non-Physical Interaction (With her melt virus she can melt someones soul, and affect intangible objects.)

Resistance to Statistic Reduction within her own "heart."

Statistical amplification (By using her melt virus to earn Exp, and level up.)

Waiting for a response on these powers/justifications for MeltLilith.

Acid Manipulation (via Melt Virus.)

Power Nullification (Can nullify skills with Melt Virus by using it as a shield, and negate Regenerationn up to Low-Godly via Melt Virus.)

Reactive Power Level (Can turn anything oragnic, inorganic, tangible, or intangible, (Skills, thoughts, etc) into EXP with All Dragin, and Melt Virus. Allowing her to progressively get stronger in battle.)


= BB (Fate/Extra CCC) Accepted powers/abilities. =

Subjective Reality (She was able to turn the Imaginary Number Space into real number space , and is able to do make real space into imaginary space by use of Cursed, Cutting, Crater/CCC. BB Is also capable of making any damage that was, into something that was not. She is able to travel from the Imaginary space, into real space, and the reverse as well.)

Curse manipulation (Via CCC, turns the space affect into a cursed space by cutting reality .)

Durability Negation (Via Cursed, Cutting, Crater/CCC.)

Physics manipulation (By merging with the MoonCell, and becaming it. She can control the laws of phyics. )

Creation (Created the Sakura Labyrinth, the Alter Ego's, and Her "Caine Space." She merged with the MoonCell which can generate entire solar systems.)

Power Bestowl (Gave the alter egos their skills, and Noble Phantasm's.)

Non-Physical Interaction (Via CCC, Cursed, Cutting, Crater.)

Power Nullification (Can nullify Subjective reality negation.)

BFR , (She can send people to her Caine space where they will be subject to her laws/rules.)

Reactive evolution (She can modify herself.)

Precognition (She has a higher dimensional thought process, and perspective. She is able to see an infinity of futures ,and compute every possible outcome, and destiny every second . She can process the past, and future in parallel with the present moment.)

Acasuality Type 2 inaddition to type 1, and 3.

Resistance to Existence Erasure (Was able to fight off being erased by the MoonCell. )


= "Full Power" Gilgamesh (Full power/Living.) accepted powers/abilities. =

Subjective reality (negation -He can negate damage with his "Ten Crowns: EX" skill . and Immersion - Can travel back and forth from the Imaginary Number space, and Real Number Space.)

Statisitical amplication (To an unkown amount. He can raise his stats according to his will. )

Power Nullification (Can Nullify subjective reality negation.)
 
jesus **** this OP is chaotic

Genesis Gil already resists everything BB can do, including CCC. It might not be listed, but it should be.

Seems pretty legit overall
 
Diinou HotHead said:
BB's other acausalities looks like type 2
Given the regen feat it looks like Low-High regen
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I also think type 1 in addtion to type 2 and 3 because she absorbed Tiamats data. and she has 2 of her skills. One of Tiamats data profiles specifically says "Immune to time paradoxes."
 
Hl3 or bust said:
jesus **** this OP is chaotic
Genesis Gil already resists everything BB can do, including CCC. It might not be listed, but it should be.

Seems pretty legit overall
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Did i go to crazy, and overboard?
 
Hl3 or bust said:
the seven question marks at the end of every other sentence was a bit much lol
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Lol when I get back to my computer I'll edit that, and make a more neater alterations haha
 
TheUpgradeManHaHaxD said:
I also think type 1 in addtion to type 2 and 3 because she absorbed Tiamats data. and she has 2 of her skills. One of Tiamats data profiles specifically says "Immune to time paradoxes."
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Didn't type 2 already cover immunity to time paradoxes?
 
I got the list of knowledgable memembers i'll try to get some of them to look at it.
 
I changed it to Unquantifiably stronger. But this would all still be within tier High 3-A it would just be that should be above Baseline High 3-A by an unknown amount once she starts amping herself.
 
Actually CCC is the one attack that will oneshot your servant no matter how strong they are
 
I'm on phone so I can't quite view those images with full clarity, but I am not seeing low-high
 
Cells is mid high. Bunch of blood or a head is low-high.

I'm seeing "activation" of spirit powers on a cellular level, but the fact that there's apparently a heart beating implies to me that there is more than just a few cells.
 
Monarch Laciel said:
Cells is mid high. Bunch of blood or a head is low-high.
I'm seeing "activation" of spirit powers on a cellular level, but the fact that there's apparently a heart beating implies to me that there is more than just a few cells.
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I think.[ [A heart beat starts] is the translator describing the sound the game is making, I'd have to double-check once I'm off work which won't be until late evening Chicago time.
 
Still

"Thanatosis" also means fake death, so it seems a lot more likely to me that Gilgamesh came back to life than he has low-high regen.

I don't see anything that even implies he can regenerate from cells. My cells are always active on a cellular level, I sure can't regen from them.
 
1. Energy manipulation and transmutation seem fine.

2. Melt virus seems fine.

3. It doesn't say how she overwrote the rule, but hacking the Moon Cell is something that is hard to achieve, so I'm not sure about that one. Law manipulation is ok I guess and I suppose it would be Time manipulation via Law manipulation.

4. - 7. Are all fine.

8. I'm not sure how to intrepret this one.

BB:

1. Yes to existence erasure resistance.

2. Never seen Subjective reality before, but it looks like it fits the description.

3. Curse manipulation is ok I guess. Durability negation is really understandable considering how many hax are contained within that one ability of hers.

4. She can already modify herself the way she wants, but I wouldn't explain it via "Gilgamesh has that power and her power is of the same rank/order", because she says it's the power of the same rank, not the same power.

5. This does look like some sort or Regenerationn, but I'd like to see more of the context because I don't remember what happened exactly. Again, I don't think it should be compared to her.

Creation, Physics manipulation, Power bestowal and Non-physical interaction seem fine. Her Acausality is type 3, which seems to fit the description of her abilities. I don't quite understand type 4, but I don't think she has that and type 1 and 2 are lesser versions of Acausality. Yes, she can give herself abilities which the Moon Cell has information on, but there are always abilities and things she cannot possess, such as Ea.

As for Gilgamesh, I already covered the first part. The second part refers to them unlocking his Power of the Beginning which negates Earth Mother Goddess Authority. So, he doesn't have the Ten Crowns, but simply negates/isn't affected by her powers. He has resistances to all of the hax things achievable with Cursed Cutting Crater, but C.C.C. is still capable of killing him (for some unexplained reason).

My question is why isn't Independent Manifestation on Gilgamesh's profile?
 
What makes alive Gil acceptable to scale from gods, I thought he was amped by the Moon Cell and whatnot.
 
Matthew Schroeder said:
What makes alive Gil acceptable to scale from gods, I thought he was amped by the Moon Cell and whatnot.
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IIRC the amp is making him as powerful as he was in life
 
Matthew Schroeder said:
What makes alive Gil acceptable to scale from gods, I thought he was amped by the Moon Cell and whatnot.
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He obtained his original power. The power of his origin.
 
I'll give more information, context and other stuff when I'm off work btw.
 
@Monarch Okay, after reviewing the entry/chapter of Low High/Mid High Regenerationn. we can rule it out. that was me misreading the chapter/entry so i'll delete that. That was actualy the MC who was slowly dying after being defeated. If anyone was interested in reading the chapter here is hte link

So Regenerationn was debunked lol. https://tsukinoura.wordpress.com/2017/03/27/entry-152-fight-to-the-end/

@SwagPack "Music, words, peotry, speech, and prose. The tones that flow from this can cause an emotion to boil from the heart of the listener. " I Say empath manipulation becuase by manipulating the flow of those ideas she can cause the heart to moved to a certian emotion. Assuming if i understood the power properly that is.....

I think her using the servant archives could be agreed upon as being NLF, as we really don't know what her limit is... she might be able ot use something, or might not....

it reads here in the scan in the boxed in portion. "we can append this ability to your servant " - By Rin. So, Gilgmaesh also has the Ten Crowns EX.

I'll delete the Regenerationn part

Also new abilities for BB

BFR - She can send people to her Caine Space

Also, if she can mod herself and make illegal modifications shouldn't that be Adaption, or reactive evolution?

Shouldn't she also have Precog/Clairvoyance with her Higher dimensional thought process?

That is such a broken combo too lol "See the future, and illegally mod yourself to adapt to the sitution."

Gilgamesh should also have Resistance to Existence Erasure in base (he was able to sustain his existence in imgainary number space a long time.), and another form/type of Subjective reality, as he can move backwards and form between Imaginary space, and real space.
 
Matthew Schroeder said:
What makes alive Gil acceptable to scale from gods, I thought he was amped by the Moon Cell and whatnot.
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Hi matt. Do you disagree with any of the abilities you see here???
 
I'll give a more detailed answer in a few hours, but most of it looks good. Also, my brain didn't register the word "append", which does indeed mean "to add". I would usually say it's stupid for Gilgamesh to have Ten Crowns, but dude has Independent Manifestation just because he can, so nothing surprises me anymore.
 
Yeah, empathic manipulation is ok. I read the whole thing surrounding that quote about Ten Crowns. Basically, Hakuno enters Gilgamesh to remove the constraints and unleash his original power. With this, he becomes immensely powerful, slaps BB and moves on. But, it does seem that they added Ten Crowns to him after analysing it since they couldn't seal that ability on BB. Therefore, to fight BB's Ten Crowns they gave Gilgamesh her ability so during the fight the two Ten Crowns abilities canceled each other out and she no longer was able to negate Gilgamesh's attacks. This is basically what the story implies.

BFR is should be fine. Reactive evolution seems fine, since she can modify herself as much as she wants. Note, that this should not go into NLF area, as she can only modify herself within the Moon Cell's capabilities. Clairvoyance is a no-brainer here. It's at least on the same level as Gilgamesh's, meaning being able to see every possibility of the multiverse. Gilgamesh was able to survive in nothingness for eternity before the events of Extra CCC and cannot be erased by the Moon Cell. I wouldn't say this means that normal servant Gilgamesh gets resistance (if that's what you're implying), but his resistance is really good. He can travel between imaginary numbers that is the Far Side and the real space of the Near Side, so you can classify that however you want. Don't know if travelling between those two areas warrants a special speed rating or if it's a special power.
 
@Swag -

I just realized both are Canceling out their Subjective Reality hax so they both should also Subjective Reality Negation Nullification.

Traveling form an imaginary setting to a real setting is Type 1 Subjective reality.

Does this need more admin, staff consent, or knowledgable memebers to agree upon??

Also here is some addtional informaiton on "Authority" from CCC verse.

it can grant hax like Time flow, altering of events that took place, and creation. Also, Authorities make things happen becuase "Simply one has the right too."
 
Gil already has resistance to EE last time I checked. The Subjective Reality Negation Nullification thingy could just be listed as Power Nullification, and then just note what it nulls.
 
I just realized, but BB might have/possiblely have nonexistent physiology as she is one with the time (Past, present, and future) of the Mooncell which includes the imaginary number space

lol at her having nonexistence manipulation lol she might be one of the most OP high 3-a's coming soon with hax, but i'd like to get more dicussion on this thread though...

@Dinnou HotHead

- I must have glanced over that when looking at his profile.. Oops...

- I guess that would be easier, save up on space on profiles by listing it as power null

I just realized Goetia, and solomon also has the Ten Crowns, so they should scale.
 
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