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Devil May Cry - Beastheads

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Hello DMC bois, welcome to this cute CRT

First, many thanks to Dienomite, who helped me with some feats and scans, thank you o/

So, we currently scale every demon from DMC Verse to some Resistances, based on the Beastheads abilities from the Second Novel, which are: Reality Warping, BFR, Space-Time Manipulation, Transmutation and Precognition. Some of them, unfortunately, are wrong ma bois, let me explain:

- First of all, some of these Resistances are basically contradicted by the games... yeah, is that obvious, I'll give you some examples:


  • In the first game, Dante's Alastor can predict both Phantom and Nelo Angelo (this one was on another f***** dimension), which contradicts they being resistant to Precognition
  • In the first game, Dante gets BFR'd in the face by Mundus, and he was already using the Sparda
  • In...every game ? Dante can use Time Manipulation to slow down nearly every demon with some exceptions, so where is their resistance to Time Manipulation ? Same goes for Vergil who can Space Hax everyone with a few exceptions

So basically, we have some examples in the series that shows how demons are vulnerable to some of those abilities that they should resist

But Dante, the novel clearly states that they are resistant to the Beastheads effects

Yes and no, yeah the novels states that demons are resistant to the Beastheads EFFECTS, but not their abilities/hax/every power, even the context implies this. But this doesn't mean that we don't have resistances for them, since the effects of the Beastheads have been shown in the novel, in the assimilation process that happens with Chen. What are these effects, you ask ? Well, they are: Reality Warping, Soul Manipulation, Transmutation, Petrification and Size Manipulation, some of them are quite obvious, the size manipualtion is because they transform their host into a necklace sized statue, for example

And if you think, none of these abilities affected demons in the series with the exception of Transmutation, since in DMC4 Dante can transmute them with the Gilgamesh, but we are talking about a 3-A hitting Tier 9, 8 and 7 fodders, there is no resistance that covers such a gap. In the novel, however, Dante resists the assimilation process that includes those abilities, so it is safe to scale this to the demons of the series.

So my suggestion is to change their Beastheads resistance to:

"Resistance to Reality Warping, Soul Manipulation, Transmutation, Size Manipulation and Petrification (Demons are stated to be resistant to the Beastheads assimilation process, which includes those abilities)".

Yes, I know that demons are already resistant to Soul Manipualtion, but I didn't want to miss anything, this also covers their resistance to the effects from the beastheads

Now, we need to talk about two other resistances that only Dante should have which is Possession and Precognition

The first one is very clear in the novel, it happens when Ducas is fighting Dante, Ducas created a shockwave frome his body that was meant to possess Dante and Dante recognized what was happening, and it doesn't work on him.

Here's the scan >>>> https://prnt.sc/nrnar

Dante even says that it wouldn't work on him even if he was a child, so this one should be in his DMC3 Key and maaaaybe scale to Vergil

The other, Precognition, comes from the fact that the Beastheads are stated to predict the events of the future multiple times in the novel

>>>> https://prnt.sc/nrnv2y

>>>> https://prnt.sc/nrnvbe

But, even being capable of predicting Dante's moves, when he got serious, Chen was compeltely caught off guard by him, bypassing his precognition

>>>> https://prnt.sc/nrnvmp

So basically, Dante should get Resistance to Precognition in his DMC2 key, it doesn't scale to anyone besides him

I also created a profile for the Beastheads, you guys should take a look, then I'll post it

So, that's it, tell me what you guys think
 
To be fair on the space and time hax it's entirely possible that the time and space hax they are using are above the ones the best head use. Since Dante typically uses a demon who's power is Time stop or an artifact who's power is time stop to do so And Vergil uses Yamato. But the other argument that it just says there effects not the abilities seem fair

The rest seems reasonable.
 
Dante and all still will have their time manipulation resistance it's just that demons don't naturally resist the Beastheads Space-Time BFR because the statement about demons being immune to the Beastheads effects wasn't pertaining to the Beastheads BFR
 
I forgot that the Beastheads have Mind Manipulation tho lol, a scan about this would be good just to make sure

Well, if it's ok I'll post the profile
 
Guess what's been talked about so far atm, this looks good.

We definitely needed a page for these guys for sure so it helps for reference, especially on the other characters resistances from them.
 
So, Dante should also have resistance to Fear Manipulation, since Ducas, Chen and the Beastheads had a fear spreading aura and Dante was fine while fighting them

Edit: Nvm, he already have in his DMC1 key
 
Dante Demon Killah said:
So, Dante should also have resistance to Fear Manipulation, since Ducas, Chen and the Beastheads had a fear spreading aura and Dante was fine while fighting them

Edit: Nvm, he already have in his DMC1 key
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He has it already
 
What happens with the space-time manip?

Dante seems to resist the effects of Yamato with Royal Guard and didn't he resisted something like that from the beastheads?

Also, Alastor didn't really predicted the movements of Phantom nor Nelo Angelo, just alerted Dante of their prescence (somewhat) so it isn't really precog.

And didnt Mundus created his universe around both Dante and himself? Does that really counts as BFR? Because if he just created a portal and throwed Dante there I could see him really losing that resistance.

Also, for the last one (time stop) there are resistances but that does not equal inmunity, if a stronger user of certain hax uses his hax against someone who already resisted it but gets affected it just means the stronger user can bypass that resistance. Kinda like every 3-D character who resist mindhax yet can be mind haxed by Methuselah because his hax is stronger.
 
Beastheads Space-Time manipulation is through BFR to another world which Dante never resisted.

Dante has resistance to Space-Time manipulation It's just isn't from the Beastheads.

Agreed, it's more like Extrasensory Perception (Enhanced Sight).

DMC2 Dante gets BFR'd multiple times throughout the game and DMC4 Dante can get BFR'd by the Faults, the Mundus creation thing isn't BFR.

Yea
 
Blocking =/= Resisting

Neutral, but doesn't change the fact that they never resisted Precognition, except Dante

The fact that Mundus was in there doesn't change the fact that he BFR'd Dante to another dimension, and it he didn't "created a universe", this still not accepted in this wiki

I agree, but demons don't resist everything that the Beastheads can throw at them, the novel is talking about the assimilation process only, which Dante directly resists
 
Dante Demon Killah said:
The fact that Mundus was in there doesn't change the fact that he BFR'd Dante to another dimension, and it he didn't "created a universe", this still not accepted in this wiki
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The entire Mundus thing needs to be re addressed in it's own thread but It's a definitely a creation feat for Mundus and at minimum it's 4-A,this is undeniable since we know that the dimension IS indeed Mundus' and is seperate from the Human and Demon World.
 
Lets leave the whole 4-A/3-A discussion for another time, what matters is the hax.

I'm going to eat right now, I'll respond later.
 
>Blocking =/= Resisting

It kinda equals resistance when said weapon can ignore durability due to space hax.

>Neutral, but doesn't change the fact that they never resisted Precognition, except Dante

But the inverse can apply as their moves never were predicted by anyone and as Dienomite said Alastor qualifies more as Extrasensory Perception.

>The fact that Mundus was in there doesn't change the fact that he BFR'd Dante to another dimension, and it he didn't "created a universe", this still not accepted in this wiki

From the BFR page : As long as they cannot return from wherever they have been transported to within a certain amount of time.

The fact that Dante wans't trapped in the pocket dimension means resistance, if not he would have been trapped there for ever, he even gets out of any other BFR/Pocket dimension in the others games.
 
@Tony di bugalu

wait what Precognition are you against? If it's Alastor then I agree but If it's Chen's Precognition and Dante resisting it then I disagree because that's genuine resistance against real precognition
 
Okay then I'm fine with it but Dante leaving Mundus' dimension is the only case for BFR resistance, all the other times he left out of dimensions he was BFR'd to was via teleporters
 
If Dante resists BFR, he wouldn't get BFR'd

The difference is: he gets BFR'd, but he comes back, just like Dieno said

It happens against Mundus, it happens in 2 a lot of times, against Arius, for example

That would be Interdimensional Travel, maybe ?

For the Royalguard, i'm unsure if it is a physical block or an energy based block

The first grants Resistance to Spatial Manipulation, the other don't
 
It's probably Interdimensional Travel, now Dante has 2 showcases of leaving a dimension without teleportion.

On the topic of Royal Guard the blocks themselves seems to be physical based off visuals and the descriptions, the only block I seen with Royal Guard that is energy based is from the Ultimate move from DMC3 which shows an obvious energy barrier in a specific direction.
 
Just a question: is there anything within the DMC series that'd show that Dante may have Higher Dimensional Manipulation, or anything similar to it?
 
I agree that Dante should get Resistance to Spatial Manipulation by blocking it with Royalguard, since it ignores durability, Dante would need resistance to it for a block. Also, Yamato is not Time-Space, it's just spatial manip

Resistance to BFR is unfounded, he always gets BFR'd (so he doesn't resist) the difference is that he comes back, this might be some kind of Interdimensional Travel

Alastor might not have Precognition, but this doesn't change nothing, we never add a resistance because someone never fell to it, they need to resist, if they never faced Precog then they never resisted, only Dante actually showed this. "They never were predicted" is not a argument, since they never fought someone with Precognition to begin with
 
I though he resisted space time shenanigans from the beastheads? The feat of resisting yamato is just support.

If BFR is out of the page then it's out, nothing I can do. Maybe someone could make a thread regarding the interdimensional travel.

Alastor doesn't have precog and I am not asking for every demon to have resistance to precog unless the novel states that every demon resist precog

I'm just pointing that they never faced someone with precog meaning this line of the OP is false: "In the first game, Dante's Alastor can predict both Phantom and Nelo Angelo (this one was on another f***** dimension), which contradicts they being resistant to Precognition" which means there are no contradictions with demons resisting precog.
 
Given that Dark649 has accepted this, it is probably fine to apply.
 
Well, in fact that part from the op regarding precog is wrong

About Space-Time Shenanigans, well, I don't remember he resisting in the novel, but you should ask Dienomite to take a look, he knows the novel much better than me

However, it would scale only to Dante, other demons only are resistant to the assimilation process
 
I mean, good for me if only Dante scales he is the whole reason I'm debating this :v

@Dienomite you hear the man Search for those space-time shenanigans >:v
 
I tried looking for space-time resistance stuff in the novel but nothing stood out really.Even tried looking in DMC volume 1 and found nothing.

Though I did find Dante easily surviving being shot point blank in the head and face along with his entire body getting shot by a gang, though that wouldn't warrant an upgrade in regen.

I also found out some useless but neat information from the 3142 artbook:

demonic air turns people into demon.

blade<frost<assault<blitz is the hierachy of the lizard demons

tens of thousands of demon bodies and souls are melded together inside the Savior

The place Agnus summons his demons from is his own artificially created demon world

DMC4 Dante's skill in battle with his sword and guns surpassed Sparda's (I'm pretty sure anime Dante done the same according to his own words)
 
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