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Novel Kars vs Iihiko

No stands? iihiko takes it pretty easily.

Kars's win conditions are to produce a weird ass "Fresh" attack, maybe something like using the abilities of the roswell rods that are canon to jojo to absorb heat from his brain stem and one shot that way. I know that sounds wierd but it is a canon thing, go look up the stand Sky high for more info. After he has this attack, he should tell Iihiko about it and get him to take interesting enough that he will recognize it. If he can successfully pull it off and use this attack to one shot, then he wins.

Otherwise Iihiko just kills him with a back scratch he found. Thus, I vote Iihiko
 
DragonEmperor23 said:
Where does Kars's Understanding factor into your analysis of the fight?
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Medaka has basically the same ability. As Medaka explained, trying to copy or "Understand" Iihiko's ability is destructive, and won't work. He will be lucky if he even survives the attempt
 
Didn't he Reverse-Understand (yes i'm calling it that) Damage Transfer, which also isn't a attack? I also know he did the same with a attack that brought back old wounds.
 
Wait, so either Kars Understands and likely dies, or he doesn't Understand and has a piece of dirt put into his head, resulting in him dying.

Cool. How is this not a stomp tho? I know about the wincon, but it seems unlikely as ****, expecially since SBA says no prior-knowledge.
 
Wasn't Kars's understanding decided to be superior to Medaka's The End in their vs match up? Either way why didn't it work?
 
Looking at The End, what makes it better than Kars's?

If anything, Kars's is better since it's conceptual in nature and improves the skills to more than just 120%.
 
She can copy skills just from hearing about them through the grape vine. She literally heard from a rumor about a power and obtained that power at 120%. She barely even needs to "understand" something. Even glimpsing it is enough
 
Well not "just" glimpse based but works with a glimpse.And Kars's copied abilities is shown to dramatically be better than it's original owner's.
 
I mean, I guess it's better in how much info you need to copy. But Kars's is better in that he gets the power stronger.
 
Also, didn't someone mention in another thread that Medaka's "The End" actually managed to copy one of his powers anyway?
 
TacticalNuke002 said:
20% isn't much better, its somewhat better.
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Let me remind you that it is 20% of their maximum capacity. Kars may copy a stand and make it better, but that does not necesarilly mean his usage will be equally better.

If Medaka copied The World for example, she would not get 12 seconds of time stop. She would get whatever the amount of time stop DIO would have if he trained to the point that he could literally not get any better with his stand, and then add another 20%
 
Dienomite22 said:
@Iapitus The Impaler
How was that shown besides statements?Does it what Kars's does like making the World stop time for an hour rather than 10 seconds or something like that?
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Yes. For examples of her using things at over maximum potential, once she learned Weighted Words, which was the ability to control electrical signals there by the actions of her enemies. She used applications that the original user didn't even know were possible with his power, like overwriting her own mind to overcome mind hax. Other people's powers that she copied were on all the time, which created many issues for them, but she gained the power to activate and deactivate them at will.
 
When did Kars copy a concept and/or conceptual powers? Its not really conceptual in nature, he just understands the concept/idea of something (which is basically nothing more than a normal human understanding), but can copy and improve.
 
I mean, yeah but Kars copied Killer Queen and then managed to use Bites The Dust in ways Kira literally couldn't (going back in time with it & using it on himself). Similarly, Kars's D4C creates universes as opposed to normal D4C just traveling to them.
 
And yeah, Medaka's The End not only improves, but adds "variety" if necessary/possible. She copies your power, but at the maximum possible output/level that you will ever be able to reach, then adds 20% to it. Its literally making the ability/power perfect and forcing it to go even further
 
DragonEmperor23 said:
I mean, yeah but Kars copied Killer Queen and then managed to use Bites The Dust in ways Kira literally couldn't (going back in time with it & using it on himself). Similarly, Kars's D4C creates universes as opposed to normal D4C just traveling to them.
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Yeah, but that was just because of his physiology. If Kira was the ultimate life form he could have done the same. Kars's D4C only creates universes because that was a theory of an alternate interpretation of the ability, which would apply to the original D4C as well.
 
@Iapitus The Impaler

So she just gains a level of understanding of the powers she copies that she can use them in ways the original user didn't know it could be used?Unless I'm miss interpreting it, that isn't as impressive as Kars copying seeing as his is more like changing the way the ability behaves alltogther.For example it's like copying an ability that can erase a person out of existance and changing it to erase a person out of existence in all timelines and parallel universes.
 
Being the ultimate lifeform is what gives the Understanding ability.

"Kars's D4C only creates universes because that was a theory of an alternate interpretation of the ability"

What do you mean by this? Are you saying that Funny could create universes if he wanted to?
 
SchroKatze said:
And yeah, Medaka's The End not only improves, but adds "variety" if necessary/possible. She copies your power, but at the maximum possible output/level that you will ever be able to reach, then adds 20% to it. Its literally making the ability/power perfect and forcing it to go even further
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@Dienomite22
 
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