Overrated Fairy Tail characters

Dragon form Acno hasn't shown the same speed feats as his human self. Jellal isn't Spriggan-level (bar Neinhart, a fodder). The same goes for Laxus, whose only attack worth a damn in the final arc is the deus ex machina red lightning, which isn't even that impressive, considering we don't know a thing about Wall's durability, as he only ever tanked hits he was immune to. They're not 6C, and there isn't actual proof of Laxus being able to one-shot Ajeel. Sure, I can accept Laxus being mid-Spriggan level, since I do see him as stronger than the likes of Ajeel, GS, Invel etc, but he's below the strong ones like Brandish, Dimaria and Bloodman.

Definitely downgrade Jellal, though. Gildarts stated he and GS would be about on par if GS wasn't a historia, and then Gildarts proceeded to almost be a match for August, meaning the difference between August and Irene and the rest of the spriggans is far lesser than people think, and August roflstomped Jellal + Oracion Seis. Downgrade his stronger self to 7A, and do the same for Neinhart. Also, bump Larcade down, too, since now the only words we have of him behind the 3rd strongest are his own, since August was referring to himself when he wais Zeref's child could only be beaten by his mother.

I won't lie I would ONLY agree is about the Red Lightning with Laxus and cause of Wahl's immunity to lightning but everything else is cause of scaling + we can't just downgrade them unless u show absolute truth

Why would dragon Acno not be as fast as his human form? If anything he should be faster as he gets flight.

Jellal is definitely Spriggan level when he beat Neinhart who was amped above Brandish and his historias were able to fight and harm the likes of Gray and Erza.

August said Laxus would one shot Ajeel, more than enough evidence when Laxus is > Erza who could beat Ajeel. Wahl is immune to Laxus lightning but not his fists which is still Mountain+ at the very least.

"Almost a match"? Gildarts was getting slapped by August and the only successful hit he got in was his dura negating attack and that was a sneak attack. The difference between August/Irene and the rest of the Spriggan's is huge. Irene could fight Acno despite him blitzing August, GS and Jacob while casual barriers from Base August no sells attacks that would have one shot other Spriggans. Swap CS for the normal Spriggan's and August would have stomped them as well just like he did to Brandish after getting a two foot hole put through his chest.

Neinhart and Jellal don't need downgrades when one beat the other and the one who got beat was amped above the likes of Brandish at the time.

Larcade being the 3rd strongest isn't based on his own words but on those of Zeref who said he could potentially fight Acno. He is also the strongest Etherious aside from Natsu as evidenced by him being given the Dragneel name. He also casually stopped Kagura barehanded when she was able to clash with a casual Dimaria without even going all out. Casual Spriggans are High 7-A.

Gildarts get a downgrade after many ppl claim he should scale to august, laxus use red lightning so wahl can't absorb it.

New account and straight into a crt of ft downgrade, more like a troll post from a sockpuppet

AnonymousBlank said:

Why would dragon Acno not be as fast as his human form? If anything he should be faster as he gets flight.
Jellal is definitely Spriggan level when he beat Neinhart who was amped above Brandish and his historias were able to fight and harm the likes of Gray and Erza.

August said Laxus would one shot Ajeel, more than enough evidence when Laxus is > Erza who could beat Ajeel. Wahl is immune to Laxus lightning but not his fists which is still Mountain+ at the very least.

"Almost a match"? Gildarts was getting slapped by August and the only successful hit he got in was his dura negating attack and that was a sneak attack. The difference between August/Irene and the rest of the Spriggan's is huge. Irene could fight Acno despite him blitzing August, GS and Jacob while casual barriers from Base August no sells attacks that would have one shot other Spriggans. Swap CS for the normal Spriggan's and August would have stomped them as well just like he did to Brandish after getting a two foot hole put through his chest.

Neinhart and Jellal don't need downgrades when one beat the other and the one who got beat was amped above the likes of Brandish at the time.

Larcade being the 3rd strongest isn't based on his own words but on those of Zeref who said he could potentially fight Acno. He is also the strongest Etherious aside from Natsu as evidenced by him being given the Dragneel name. He also casually stopped Kagura barehanded when she was able to clash with a casual Dimaria without even going all out. Casual Spriggans are High 7-A.

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A dragon form is also much bigger, meaning it makes sense for it to be slower. (Irene could easily dodge Erza. Dragon form acno could not. Human form Acno was as fast as Irene in their fight, meaning Human Acno =/> Irene > Erza's attacks > dragon Acno. (talking reaction speed, obvi).

Neinhart was NOT amped above Brandish at the time. That was when Natsu beat him. Jellal beat a non-histora Neinhart, who had 0 durability feats. He could've been beaten by the likes of Lyon for all we know. Glass cannons are very common in FT (Mirajane, Franmalth, Silver, Seilah, Brandish), and Neinhart has shown himself to be one, not once tanking an attack. (Literally 0 times. He gets one-shot in both of his fights. It's his historias that are the threat (albeit a low threat), not Neinhart himself.)

Also, even in that amped state, Neinhart was far weaker than Brandish. He had too much POWER for her to directly affect him, making him the perfect opponent for her, but not making him stronger than her (he lost to Natsu instantly, and Natsu would have lost to Brandish instantly.)

Larcade had the potential to beat Acno, yes. In a 1v1? No. It's a blitz, same with GS. His R.I.P. would affect Acnologia, who eats magic, as it's not a direct attack. That is all Zeref meant by that. Again, he was given the name Dragneel for being the 'strongest' of the etherious, which turned out to just mean he could help them beat Acno, as explained above.

August wasn't doing a thing to Gildarts, either. That's the part you're forgetting. Gildarts was performing really well. August was slightly injured, and Gildart's somewhere between slightly and moderately. If Gildarts can do that, then so can wizards said to be on his level, meaning GS, meaning August is not FAR above the basic Spriggans (though you could argue GS is a low-tier Spriggan, too.)

Slashing with a 'casual Dimaria', who is a lot weaker than Chelia and Blendy. Dimaria's power lies in her hax, not her brute strength. She is weak in that deparment, yet still equal to Kagura, making Larcade's feat mean that much less.

Do you know that magic power cam be used as both attacking and defensive purpose? Character can use his magic power to increase his defence?

Dragon acnologia is faster cause transformation give him increase ap/durability/magic etc. And acno was playing with him, he could just one shot Irene if he wants.

Neinhart- you don't have any proof for your reasoning. All spirggen have scale to each other, jellal is actually a high tier unlike Lyon

Gildarts and august were nearly equally matched,but gildarts suffered more damage then August.

Larcade is 3rd strongest there he should scale to natsu fdkm which he used to defeat jacob while larcade>jacob

Characters using magic to boost their defense without actually activating a spell that does so have not been introduced in this manga. Magic does not work like chakra or nen. Acno was not playing with Irene. He flat out complimented her on being strong, which he wouldn't have done if he was dicking around.

Ofc Gildarts suffered more damage, but that's to be expected if Gildarts = God Serena, and August >GS. That just further proves my point; August and Irene are not FAR above other Spriggans. In terms of pure MP, they are, but not in terms of attack power, durability etc, with the exception being Deus Sema, by far the most destructive spell among the Spriggan ranks (on par with Ars Magia, but that's a suicide move, so excluding it here.)

Larcade's hype for being the 3rd strongest comes from the fact that his magic can affect Acno, and nothing else. Him being specifically suited to affecting Acno doesn't mean he can do so to other Spriggans. For example, he has no counter for Dimaria or Brandish, and would go down instantly if either of them fought seriously and went for the kill right away. They cannot, however, do that to August and Irene, meaning Larcade really isn't up there with those two, and is a regular-tier Spriggan.

And yes, I have proof for Neinhart: He got ONE-SHOT TWICE. I've already confirmed, with your help, that August is only slightly above reg Spriggans, and yet he thrashed Jellal, who then one-shot Neinhart. Neinhart is physically even worse than some Tartaros members. Natsu, who could be affected by Command T, and is therefore susceptible to Brandi's one-shot, one-shot Neinhart. If a character who can be one-shot by a Spriggan can one-shot another Spriggan, then that latter Spriggan is below the first Spriggan by a good damn bit.

Ah yes, Command T, one of twelve magics that is literally cheating.

For the 1st part of your paragraph>

Read the chapter when august use ars magia, Mavis tell everyone to put their magic in defence(can't upload anything due to slow data)

For the 2nd part> Gildarts isn't =god Serena he able to defeat him cause Serena was an historia, August was strongest spriggen, he didn't even consider Irene death a thing. Also Irene and August both scale above god Serena in term of magic, Irene was a country, enhance 10 million soldiers, goes into dragon form and summon a meteor and still she didn't even look she was tired. And August was above her.

>3rd part

Larcade stated to be 3rd strongest because he was the best-failed end experiment and even gain dragneel surname from zeref. And his magic power was above any other spirggen(except August,irene) also manga words >your opinion

>4th

August defeat jellal didn't prove anything he copy and null thier magic and having more magic power give him a W. Nienhart survive bloodlust jellal GC so he didn't need any downgrade either.

Your post is nothing more than a troll post, made by a sockpuppet

Why are you calling him a sockpuppet? 1997 you'd need much more proof of such thing. I'm neutral on the thread at the time being mainly because it's clustered and unorganized.

I didn't want to address this thread, because it seemed like a waste of time, but I do want to clarify that all the scaling we have now was carefully thought out and agreed upon by many users, so this shouldn't even be a discussion anymore, we're not going to rework our entire scaling

Rin The Dragon Empress said:

Why are you calling him a sockpuppet? 1997 you'd need much more proof of such thing. I'm neutral on the thread at the time being mainly because it's clustered and unorganized.

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He look like aerozz(don't remember his name correctly) who did the same thing after joining the wiki, with the same tone, make a new id and instantly target a X verse it's not hard to do that. Either way this post is just waste of time

TBF Aerozz's arguments and grammar were much worse than this.

Calaca Vs said:

TBF Aerozz's arguments and grammar were much worse than this.

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@Mitch

So should we close this thread?

Yeah you should close this, nothing here hasn't been thoroughly discussed and agreed upon by the majority of knowledgeable members and Admins, we've already discussed all these things and this thread brings no new info to the matter, so it's just a new user bringing up things that have already been discussed

Okay.