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Pokemon God Tier actual Revisions

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"Acausality (Type 4) for Arceus, Lake Trio and Creation Trio


Self-Sustenence (Types 1, 2 and 3) for Arceus, LT and CT


Abstract Existence (Type 1) for Arceus, LT and CT


Conceptual Manipulation (Type 3) for Arceus and CT


Conceptual Manipulation (Type 4) for LT


Avatar Creation for Arceus, LT and CT


Immortality (Type 8 and 9) for Arceus, LT and CT


Creation for LT"


How in the holy hell could anyone approve all of this in a CRT not specifically made with the sole purpose of adding them, with nothing but a handful of posts and near to no discussion?

You see, these kind of things is what makes stuff like huge downgrades happen, because they are added hastily and terribly. Also, mind you, its not like I disagree or anything, but the procedure used to get away with the upgrades was rogue at best.

I ask all this stuff to be taken off from the profiles and that we have a proper discussion. I dont want a "Pokemon big downgrade thread" showing up in the future just because half the stuff is added this way.

Thank you.
 
Im talking about this thread.

It turned from "speed downgrade" to "lets upgrade the hell out of arceus and co".
 
I'm sure the rationales for the new powers for Arceus, LT and CT are in the thread you closed, I'll gather information on why the new powers and abilities
 
Enryu The Red Tower said:
I'm sure the rationales for the new powers for Arceus, LT and CT are in the thread you closed, I'll gather information on why the new powers and abilities
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The whole point is that a new thread should have been done instead of making the upgrade mid-thread.
 
PaChi2 said:
The whole point is that a new thread should have been done instead of making the upgrade mid-thread.
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Do not worry, I'll bring the information to this thread, incidentally, you can also call @Nedge1000 to this thread?
 
It is pretty much explained in the other threads to be honest

We even got the result accepted by admins only these below were rejected.

Conceptual Manipulation (Type 3) for CT


Conceptual Manipulation (Type 4) for LT
 
Yes but PaChi is saying that a different thread was needed.

That stuff wasn't evaluated properly, it was only mentioned and people were like "sure, let's add it"
 
Cal and Assalt were the admins who evaluated the evidence regarding these.
 
Nedge1000 said:
Cal and Assalt were the admins who evaluated the evidence regarding these.
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I dont question their judgement. I dont question that the stuff isnt legit.

I only question the means to get the upgrade.
 
I did contact admins early for the threads evaluation so I was waiting for admins like Saikou and Celestial Pegasus so I was waiting for their responses rather than start anew.

Also, the discussions for the proof of the abilities took longer than I thought in the explanation on the correct justifications for abilities so I didn't have the time to extend the OP like I previously did earlier.

In insight, it would have been better to upgrade the OP or made a new CRT. I will keep it in mind PaChi2 and the same situation won't happen again.
 
Maybe I sounded too harsh, but its just that Pokemon has been a constant back and forth regarding the CT and Arceus. And skipping the procedure to get an upgrade will backfire nearly with 99% of probability. Again, I apologize if I was rude to anyone.

If anyone could copy the arguments and justifications for everything that was added to the profiles, I'd appreciate it since I lack the time to look it up.
 
Enryu The Red Tower wrote:

Nedge1000 wrote:
They do and already listed in the categories;

But only in the part of Powers and Abilities this has not been added, only in categories this has been added

I known but Higher-Dimensional Existence gives many abilities like Self-Sustenance(https://vsbattles.com/vsbattles/2472177; in insight, I should probably add to the P&A page since it was accepted), Immeasurable strenght, Cosmic Awareness, and Large Size (Type X; depend on the number of Dimension the being is); Acausality and Reality Warping (depending on the verse)

So additions can be tedious.
 
I added Higher-Dimensional Existence and the associated abilities to the pokemons god tiers. Also, they have acausality without the Type which was in the past more closely associated to Type 4 and Type 5. I haven't updated it yet but I think they qualify for Type 4.

Pokemons God Tiers, True Form, also are true abstract by definition also. I guess the changes were never added after the definition's updated. I can add update the profile. Based on their nigh-omnipresent/omnipresence, beings conceptual embodiment, and non-corporeal nature, they would have Abstract Existence (Type 1)

The lake trio looks to have Abstract Existence (Type 3): Uxie, Azelf, and Mesprit because they are Conceptual Embodiment but Corporeal nevertheless.

All the Gods would have their Conceptual Manipulation on their profile be Type 3, scaling from Arceus. The lake trio would have Type 4 by definition.
 
Cool and sorry I was confused, The real cal howard!

Arceus's Omnipotent ability was removed here: https://vsbattles.com/vsbattles/1900154 Attacks Incorporeals: His Omnipotent ability lets him hit all types, including Ghost. But unless we give all Pokemon, save normal types, this ability, Arceus doesn't get it either.

  • Now, Non-Physical Interaction is a thing. (Glad, I made the page!) He should get it back.
  • I think all Pokemon have though. Even, normal Type can damage ghost type with certain move like Flamethrower.
 
ShadowWarrior1999 said:
Arceus might as well get his Type 9 immortality back plus Creation Trio.
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Their feat falls under Abstract Existence (Type 1) and only their avatar which doesn't have a key have any way for Type 9. The god tiers would have Avatar Creation though.

The avatar would have it. And since it is part of the Pokemon mythos, I can add Type 9 Immortality for avatar.
 
To start off:

Why are they Type 1? The thread doesn't elaborate on this. Being non-corporeal isn't a reason.
 
To sum it up:

  • Them embodying concepts across the multiverse (obviously).
  • Giratina being one with the Distortion World, which is also a personification of Antimatter, alongside Dialga and Palkia being one with their own realms.
  • Time and Space being born as soon as Dialga and Palkia are brought to existence, supposedly suggesting that they are the same thing.
  • The LT and CT themselves having non-corporeal from and being able to create physical avatars.
Note: I do not necessarily agree with those being enough for type 1, but they were accepted by others.
 
True form of LT or CT are Non-corporeal and they are concepts created from Arceus beings
 
All of that is precisely the description for Type 3:

  • Embodies an abstraction, but the destruction of the former isn't needed in order to destroy or affect them. These characters do not rely on the abstraction to survive, but thanks to their affinity with it, they are able to manipulate it.
 
Assalt agreed with the Type 1 and I doubt he would do that if there wasn't enough evidence.

Let me just summon him real quick, so you can discuss things with him.
 
  • Them embodying concepts across the multiverse (obviously).
Ok, but this alone isn't even enough evidence for type 3

  • Giratina being one with the Distortion World, which is also a personification of Antimatter, alongside Dialga and Palkia being one with their own realms.
This makes them omnipresent within their realms

  • Time and Space being born as soon as Dialga and Palkia are brought to existence, supposedly suggesting that they are the same thing.
This means they created time and space

  • The LT and CT themselves having non-corporeal from and being able to create physical avatars.
Unless the non-corporeal form is their concept, that's not abstract existence
 
The non-corporeal form is their concept since Arceus created them as the very concepts of Time, Space, Antimatter, Emotion, Knowledge and Willpower
 
Nedge1000 said:
The non-corporeal form is their concept since Arceus created them as the very concepts of Time, Space, Antimatter, Emotion, Knowledge and Willpower
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No he did not

Those concepts were born alongside them.
 
The pokemon verse tends to be filled with Statements, to be honest, most are from Pokemon Platinum:

 
Dude I don't have the time to go through two blogs and an interview.

What's the "they are concepts and nothing more than a concept" statement? Type 1 requires stuff like this
 
Need I say that the only statement that points to Arceus being an avatar of the Original One is a specific interpretation made by a Hiker who read the subject? And if you go by his interpretation, he outright implies that Dialga and Palkia aren't the literal concepts of time and space, but merely a manifestation of them (which is what had been accepted up until then) created when Arceus untangled the merged concepts of time and space, so Type 3.
 
Kaltias said:
Dude I don't have the time to go through two blogs and an interview.
What's the "they are concepts and nothing more than a concept" statement? Type 1 requires stuff like this
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You did ask for the evidence like scans though and the blogs I link are only dealing with a specific blog section, Kaltias!

Kaltias said:
I need a scan for that
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On a serious note, I don't think the Madoka's case should be applicable to everything. Evaluation of the qualifications should be a case by case basis. Embodiment = personification = concept can equal the same regarding a specific context and especially if characters got the definition feats.
 
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