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Arceus's Speed Downgrade and Others

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This is Arceus's evidences for Omnipresence: https://vsbattles.com/vsbattles/392757

I will be honest, the evidences are really speculative and looking back these evidences are weak compared to our standard now. It is even described that only Arceus's mind is Omnipresent not his body, in the thread.

So, Arceus at best it is nigh-omnipresence and at worse it is immeasurable.

Arceus's speed downgrade to Infinite would make sense it scale to the Gods tiers like Dialga.

For the physical manifestation argument, he also lost this physical manifestation ability and his Type 9 immortality here: https://vsbattles.com/vsbattles/1900154

Dialga and Palkia have Omnipresence but there are no scans proving so they should downgrade back to Infinite speed. Their speed upgrade were accepted here: https://vsbattles.com/vsbattles/1900154#177

Giratina should be downgraded to back to Infinite speed. His Omnipresent speed came from https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/U...Part_(Completed)#Pokemon_Platinum_.28Canon.29.

The respect threads also show little to no evidence for Omnipresent speed:

Respect Threads

Others: regarding missing abilities:

Acausality (Type 4) for Arceus, Lake Trio and Creation Trio

Self-Sustenence (Types 1, 2 and 3) for Arceus, LT and CT

Abstract Existence (Type 1) for Arceus and CT

Abstract Existence (Type 3) for LT

Conceptual Manipulation (Type 3) for Arceus and CT

Conceptual Manipulation (Type 4) for LT

Avatar Creation for Arceus, LT and CT

About Non-Physical Interaction, this is very normal in the Pokémon Multiverse
 
He is omnipresent.

His physical manifestations are nothing more than avatars. Arceus's true form is non-corporeal and encompasses all of time and space.
 
ShadowWarrior1999 said:
He is omnipresent.
His physical manifestations are nothing more than avatars. Arceus's true form is non-corporeal and encompasses all of time and space.
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ShadowWarrior1999 said:
He is omnipresent.

His physical manifestations are nothing more than avatars. Arceus's true form is non-corporeal and encompasses all of time and space.
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Only one evidence is not enough Shadow and Zeifyl because it is an Outlier.

He also lost this physical manifestation ability and his Type 9 immortality here: https://vsbattles.com/vsbattles/1900154?
 
It hasn't even been a month since the evidence for Arceus' Omnipresence was accepted as it being Omnipresent last time.

Also, if you look further down that thread, you'll see that Arceus losing its physical manifestation ability was debunked thoroughly.
 
Zeifyl said:
It hasn't even been a month since the evidence for Arceus' Omnipresence was accepted as it being Omnipresent last time.
Also, if you look further down that thread, you'll see that Arceus losing its physical manifestation ability was debunked thoroughly.
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Omnipresence was accepted more than 2 years.
 
Nedge1000 said:
Zeifyl said:
It hasn't even been a month since the evidence for Arceus' Omnipresence was accepted as it being Omnipresent last time.
Also, if you look further down that thread, you'll see that Arceus losing its physical manifestation ability was debunked thoroughly.
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Omnipresence was accepted more than 2 years.
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Yes. And then someone contested it less than a month ago, where it, again, was accepted.
 
I don't think that being omnipresent can really be considered an outlier, nedge.
 
Wokistan said:
I don't think that being omnipresent can really be considered an outlier, nedge.
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No, this is not what I meant. It is just one evidence that would an Outlier.
 
Not really considering that everything else is for his avatars. You don't need more than one statement of the true form of Arceus being omnipresent when nothing else would suggest otherwise.
 
There's no real point in doing so with them. It'd be like giving Jace Belere a different key for his illusory clones that is basically the same.
 
Nedge1000 said:
Dark649 said:
TriforcePower1 said:
I think they had before.
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They indeed had that before.
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They did; I knew that Cal made the change Arceus' and Palkia profile but I can find the CRT that show why.
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I remember why.

It was decided that Arceus wasn't made weaker by losing plates, and thus, having a key for Incomplete Arceus was redundant (Before that, the entire Trio had 2-C keys as well as 2-B keys).
 
DMB 1 said:
TriforcePower1 said:
That's strange. Isn't Dialga time itself?
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How does time trascvend itself though?
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No scans at all, even in the respect threads, show it.

Edit: Nevermind, my point is for Omnipresence only.
 
No, type 3 is basically your past/future/parallel world time travels to substitute him.

Dialga IS his past/future version.
 
I honestly don't understand why existing in every single point in time at once would qualify for immeasurable speed.

You'd have to completely transcend time as a whole through sheer movement speed to do such thing.

Existing at every point in time, but having any level of 3D speed is not enough.
 
I will be honest, it is either a immeasurable or Nigh-Omnipresence

It is closer to Nigh-Omnipresence, personally:

Power to almost be everywhere in existence at once. Lesser variation of Omnipresence.

This power is similar to Omnipresence, except that users are bound within a certain domain, such as time, space, or nothingness.

Limitations

  • May be bound by time and space.
  • May be unable to be nowhere.
This is the case, assuming scans can prove this.
 
By this logic, Dialga would be omnipresent only in 1 of 4 axes of space-time.
 
The true forms of Dialga and Palkia are nigh-omnipresent, being time and space respectively, the true form of Giratina is confirmed to be the distortion world itself, these 3 and Arceus existed before matter came into existence, and the CT are parts of Arceus.

By the way, in PMF it's said that Dialga can freely move (not travel) between past and future.
 
DMB 1 said:
By this logic, Dialga would be omnipresent only in 1 of 4 axes of space-time.
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It is would be limited, hence nigh-omnipresent via logic. Still need scans though.
 
Nedge1000 said:
I will be honest, it is either a immeasurable or Nigh-Omnipresence----
It is closer to Nigh-Omnipresence, personally:

Power to almost be everywhere in existence at once. Lesser variation of Omnipresence.

This power is similar to Omnipresence, except that users are bound within a certain domain, such as time, space, or nothingness.

Limitations

  • May be bound by time and space.
  • May be unable to be nowhere.
This is the case, assuming scans can prove this.
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Arceus came from before time, outside of space, and has, on several occasions, shown the ability to be in time and space. Nigh-Omnipresence is not an option here.
 
DMB 1 said:
I honestly don't understand why existing in every single point in time at once would qualify for immeasurable speed.

You'd have to completely transcend time as a whole through sheer movement speed to do such thing.

Existing at every point in time, but having any level of 3D speed is not enough.
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I mean, if you have temporal omnipresence, your existence is already not bound by linear time.
 
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