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The Outerversal unofficial tiering list

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As it seems it would be useful to have this around, I think it would be nice to make this. This list includes characters, etc.in tier 1-A and above, so future match-ups with them are easier to determine, even if they not be added. You may just CTRL + F to find a character.

Beyond the archetype of Limitations:

The Creator (Umineko), Azathoth, Yog-Sothoth

Beyond the archetype of Infinities:

Nyarlathotep, Bastet, Nodens, Hypnos, Abhoth, Shub-Niggurath, The Ultimate Gods, Ubbo-Sathla, Yhoundeh, Randolph Carter

Trascends those that trascend an infinite outerversal hierarchy:

Akuto Sai, The Law of Identity, Featherine Augustus Aurora, Bernkastel, Erika Furudo, Beatrice, Lambdadelta, Battler Ushiromiya, Maria Ushiromiya

Infinite outerversal hierarchy trascendants (also organized because a few franchises take most of the cake):

Umineko:

Ange Ushiromiya, Eva-Beatrice, Wild Cats

Other:

Hajun (First and second key), Kami Tenchi, TOAA

Infinitely (^99) above baseline:

Tenma Yato

Infinitely (^89) above baseline:

Hajun (Third key), Ren Fuji, Reinhard Heydrich

* Note for Masadaverse:

Literally just rest "1" to the Taikyoku value anyone has, if the result is 0, it´s a baseline 1-A, if it´s 1, it´s infinitelly above baseline, if it´s 2, then it´s infinitely (^2) above baseline and so on.

I can´t just make a bunch of categories only for this verse, after all.

Infinitely (^4) above baseline:

The Writer

Infinitely (^3) above baseline:

Monitor-Mind The Overvoid,

Infinitely (^2) above baseline:

The Great Evil Beast, The Presence, The Source

Infinitely above baseline:

Glory of the First Circle, Star Maker (Second key), Lucifer Morningstar, Michael Demiurgos

Baseline (Organized unlike the rest because DC has soo many 1-As for some reason):

DC Comics:

The Thought Robot, The Endless, Elaine Belloc, Prayala, Mother Night, Father Time, Mazikee, Mandrakk the Dark Monitor, Gabriel Hornblower

Marvel Comics:

Beyonder (Pre-Retcon), Molecule Ma, Oblivio, Doctor Doom

Cthulhu Mythos:

Great Old Ones, Nug and Yeb

Other:

The Chousi, Ynnead, Ga, Luminous Being, Star Maker (First key), Nyarlathotep (Demonbane), Khorne, Malice
 
This is a work in progress, so don´t expect it to be done perfectly at first.

What do you suggest to edit?

Oh, just readed his description, it really deserves an upgrade in the list.

I´ll edit it later, I have to do some homework right now.
 
Well, good luck with it. I knew the discussion could become intense.
 
Eh, I´ve been in worse stuff, I can deal this with no problem, so long I have free time, of course.
 
"my power is infinity divided by zero squared" is what I got out of this post
 
So, at a point, some 1-A aren't just beyond infinite^x, they transcend it concept to irrelevancy.
 
DMUA said:
"my power is infinity divided by zero squared" is what I got out of this post
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Divided? I meant the opposite, I need to use a better terminology in lack of my english in this.

Okay, fixed, or at least I hope so.

There may be more categories coming in way to be made, by the way, so if something weird is in the list, feel free to point at it.
 
Actually saying "my infinity is bigger than yours" is actually correct. There are things called transfinite numbers which are different grades of infinity. When I read about that I was: "... WHAT?!"
 
Wait aren't the Endless, Mother Night, Father Time, Michael and Lucifer baseline? If no, I like you to explain me how. I'm really interested so I can understand more about of the hierarchies on DC.
 
BleedingPeach said:
Wait aren't the Endless, Mother Night, Father Time, Michael and Lucifer baseline? If no, I like you to explain me how. I'm really interested so I can understand more about of the hierarchies on DC.
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Can destroy the Endless.
 
Beyond-Dimensional Existence (Type 3) is a good characteristic for the God tiers

  • Type 3: Boundlessness: Boundless creatures are those whose existence is not only conceptually superior to the concept of dimensions but all hierarchies of size. They are usually all-encompassing beings that encompass even beyond-dimensional creatures, to where they are only infinitesimal in comparison. The most common comparison is a droplet of water in an endless sea. Likewise, they can also simply be those that dwarf beyond-dimensional entities in a similar manner without necessarily being all-encompassing.
 
Type 3 is automatically infinitely above baseline at least.

Which ones fit that?
 
BleedingPeach said:
Wait aren't the Endless, Mother Night, Father Time, Michael and Lucifer baseline? If no, I like you to explain me how. I'm really interested so I can understand more about of the hierarchies on DC.
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Pralaya is the absence of Conception, the Nothingness beyond all space and time in a creation with Infinite Dimensions and an entire race of Infinite Dimensional Beings Lucifer makes Pralaya look like a joke and he escaped Presence's plan which covered an Infinite amount of 1-A Totalities Micheal can create anything while Lucifer can manipulate anything, including beings above baseline 1-A like Pralaya.

Simply, Michael and Lucifer are already above the highest orders of 1-A beings (I am too lazy to explain the rest) and if dream is 1-A (via going outside destiny's book which also governs all these totalites, and is the script which governs literally everything, duality, quantum mechanics, etc.) And mother night is FAR above dream to the point where she is basically incomprehnsible to him. There is also the fact the Presence's will also binds mother night and Lucifer escaped his will.
 
BleedingPeach said:
Actually is it possible for a 1-A to be Type 3? If it is, which is the best example?
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No, only Tier 0 have the feats.
 
Updated the list, hope it lloks better now.

Can someone help me with Masada? It has about 30 tier 1 profiles, most of which are likely 1-A, and the Taikyoku thing makes powerscaling a bit hard to gauge for this, unless each number was just taken as a measure of how many times they are infinitely above baseline...

Eh, I´ll take it that way.
 
Well for the Taikyoku, to my understanding it boils down to if you have a Taikyoku level 1 higher than your opponent you'll godstomp them. This is why Hajun was so powerful, as his Taikyoku level was immeasurable.

Also, would Azathoth not be in the same tier as the Creator due to transcending Yog-Sothoth? Or would Yog-Sothoth be bumped down to the same tier as the rest of the Ultimate Gods.

Also Randolph Carter probably shouldn't be up there with Yog-Sothoth and Azathoth, he's not that powerful.
 
Thanks for pointing out at the Azzy thing.

Well, as Yog is a part of Azzy, I thought he could fit there, and Radolph is a part of Yog, and so the scaling chain went like that, but I´m not sure.

What do you think?
 
I'm Bobsican said:
Thanks for pointing out at the Azzy thing.
Well, as Yog is a part of Azzy, I thought he could fit there, and Radolph is a part of Yog, and so the scaling chain went like that, but I´m not sure.

What do you think?
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I'm no expert on such things, but I'd treat them all as separate. Azathoth and Yog-Sothoth are most certainly separate, but I'm not sure exactly how the relationship between Carter and Yog goes, as if you go by what Yog-Sothoth encompasses, than pretty much everything is part of Yog.
 
"Outerverse level (An eternal aspect of the All-in-One) " - Carter´s profile

"High Outerverse level (Yog-Sothoth encompasses infinite spatial dimensions and transcends all of it. Immeasurably stronger than all other Outer Gods, except Azathoth. Even Nyarlathotep, who is often considered to be "lesser" among the Outer Gods, is able to create avatars who themselves transcend creation and can navigate the ultimate dimensionless void to enter the Court of Azathoth, yet they are still far weaker than the true entity itself. Yog-Sothoth is stated to vastly transcend the "dizzy and reachless heights of archetypal infinity". Every being that possesses intelligence is considered just a facet of Yog-Sothoth, from a mere human to the most complex Outer God. Yog is considered to be absolutely boundless from the perspectives of almost all beings but is in truth restricted only by Azathoth. Regardless, Yog-Sothoth is considered to be of equal importance to Azathoth as just as nothing can be created without Azathoth, nothing can exist without Yog-Sothoth."

I´m sure Yog awas the personification of Azzy´s mind or something like that, so should he wake up, Yog will go back to him and everything else erased.

Am I forgetting something? I´m not an expert in thsi verse anyways, so more input is appreciated.
 
The relationship between Azathoth and Yog can be simplified to Yog being the dream, and Azathoth being the dreamer, both are vital, but are still separate.

The relationship between Yog and Carter is much more complicated, and unlike the one between Azzy and Yog, I do not fully understand it. I do believe however, that Carter would be a facet of Yog-Sothoth much in the same way the Outer Gods are, able of doing all those things beyond the gates but being nowhere near on the same level as Yog-Sothoth itself.
 
Saik has precog
 
He's already here, though.
 
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