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It's "Such Misfortune" to join "Suicidal Janitor" spam

this really depends on How McQueen kills himself. If he jumps off a building, then Touma turns to mush except his hand. If he electrocutes himself to attack his and Touma's interanl organs, he can do it as well. If he does anything like drowning, Touma just touches the water pooring from his mouth to save himself
 
again, it depends on how he kills himself. if it is something like drowning, then he has ample chance to touch it. Anything with stabbing or cutting tho, the stand does not appear, only the damage does. So there won't be anything to touch
 
Only that specific effect, him touching the car that izzard summoned didn't get rid of his magic in general. it would be no different for HtH. He would meerly touch it and that specific effect would dissapear

"Its either Touma or inconclusive."

same with most McQueen matches. Inconclusive is more likely because it all comes down to how McQueen tries to kill himself
 
TheJ-ManRequiem said:
No? The disc isnt apart of mcqueen?.
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So...? Its supernatural? Its inside of him? It almost drops out of him by chance? Touching mcqueen dispels the effect.
 
So...? Its supernatural? Its inside of him? It almost drops out of him by chance? Touching mcqueen dispels the effect.

Yeah its inside him? Its not him or apart him though.

It doesnt drop out by chance. Touching mcqueen would do nothing for rhe fact hth isnt apart or directly linked on him. Would punching josuke null dio and za warudo?.

Also mcqueen has higher durability than toumu had ap. Its at least for a reason.
 
Why would the Stand affect Touma? Are you gonna say that because McQueen kills himself in anyway that doesn't affect IB, it will work? Or IB will remain untouched and Touma gets ******?

Vento's Divine Punishment strips the oxygen out of people's body, but Touma is entirely okay instead of just his Right Arm. Highway to Hell shouldn't affect him.
 
LSirLancelotDuLacl said:
Why would the Stand affect Touma? Are you gonna say that because McQueen kills himself in anyway that doesn't affect IB, it will work? Or IB will remain untouched and Touma gets ******?
Vento's Divine Punishment strips the oxygen out of people's body, but Touma is entirely okay instead of just his Right Arm. Highway to Hell shouldn't affect him.
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As i said, it depends on how he kills himself. He just needs to do it in a way that doesn't interact with his hand or his entire body (that latter part is a maybe anyway)

Yet when Izzard did his effects to him, they only got Nulled when Touma touched the effected part. IB doesn't usually work the way you describe, unless they are completely full body effects. Even the gravity and luck effects didn't get nulled in those cases
 
I'm not really sure if I can consider a targeted effect intentionally avoiding his arm versus a Stand effect, but for the sake of argument I'll say it goes like that.

HtH doesn't activate when McQueen dies, it activates when something happens to him and it's mirrored into a target(actually, how does he designate a target? Does he need to see them? Know who they are?). Touma not dying instantly gives him a window of opportunity to figure out what's going on, specially so because he's used to fighting magicians and odd magic powers.

There's also the consideration that they are in Academy City, which if it's empty, is a place Touma knows immensely better than McQueen. Not to mention, he has the necessary AP to punch him at the very least. The last point of uncertainity I have is Touma getting his hits with IB mirrored back on him.
 
Electrocution, drowning, suffocation and a few other methods get nulled. Slitting the other wrist, commiting seppuku, jumping from a building or simply stabbing himself should work. It all depends on how TMQ decides to go about commiting suicide.

Its either inconclusive or Touma, depending on the method used.
 
Iapitus The Impaler said:
Only that specific effect, him touching the car that izzard summoned didn't get rid of his magic in general. it would be no different for HtH. He would meerly touch it and that specific effect would dissapear
"Its either Touma or inconclusive."

same with most McQueen matches. Inconclusive is more likely because it all comes down to how McQueen tries to kill himself
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izzard use reality manipulation not death, when he used death manipulation it got instaly negated by IB, and it works by creating simulation in his head it's not targeted (that's why instead of being crushed by an unknow force a car was used)

targeted effect on individual don't work on Touma, even fate manipulation, and on McQ page it's clearly stated that he targets a person not just a part of them
 
All right, I thinl this is our current votes

Mcqueen: 0

Touma: 4 (PaChi, Gargoyle, LSirLancelotDuLacl, Malox1696)

Inconclusive: 2 (Reinhard , Iapitus)

Not sure about other votes, so I didn't count them.
 
Malox1696 said:
izzard use reality manipulation not death, when he used death manipulation it got instaly negated by IB, and it works by creating simulation in his head it's not targeted (that's why instead of being crushed by an unknow force a car was used)

targeted effect on individual don't work on Touma, even fate manipulation, and on McQ page it's clearly stated that he targets a person not just a part of them
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I don't see how that matters. I don't recall him ever using Death Manip on him.

Except when they do, like the cross that completely screwed him over until the fire works saved him. Where does it say that? depending on the suicide type, its either a part or the whole. Electrocution? all of them. Cutting, Hanging, Stabbing, etc? Part of them
 
What forms of suicide would be available to McQ during the fight? Depending on which ones it is easier to know if the IB negates
 
I don't see how that matters. I don't recall him ever using Death Manip on him.

Except when they do, like the cross that completely screwed him over until the fire works saved him. Where does it say that? depending on the suicide type, its either a part or the whole. Electrocution? all of them. Cutting, Hanging, Stabbing, etc? Part of them

He negated another person death just by touching her so yes it would negated any death manipulation as IB is always attached to him

I read it on his page it says he targets a person not part, the effect might be different depending on what he does but the ability does target the whole person/stand
 
Ok, 7 for Touma now

Mcqueen: 0

Touma: 7 (PaChi, Gargoyle, LSirLancelotDuLacl, Malox1696, Veloxt, Vizorus69, Yomi)

Inconclusive: 2 (Reinhard , Iapitus)

Grace period start.
 
Touma FRA. Even depending on the way TMQ tries to kill himself, he can very often null. Also, wouldn't the stand get forced away if he acidentally touched it? Or perhaps even touched TMQ himself, since they're connected.
 
Enough grace peroid passed. This can be ended now.

Mcqueen: 0

Touma: 8 (PaChi, Gargoyle, LSirLancelotDuLacl, Malox1696, Veloxt, Vizorus69, Yomi, Mand21)

Inconclusive: 2 (Reinhard , Iapitus)

Finally, Touma destroyed Mcqueen's illusion of sucidal and give him a first loss. congratulations!

Anyway, we need some admin to add this since Touma's profile is locked.

Edit: Actually, It's second Mcqueen loss.
 
Yeah, we thank you for posting that on the versus match-up addition thread. Gotta have TMQ get more losses than inconclusives.
 
Malox1696 said:
He negated another person death just by touching her so yes it would negated any death manipulation as IB is always attached to him

I read it on his page it says he targets a person not part, the effect might be different depending on what he does but the ability does target the whole person/stand
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Different kind of death manipulation my guy. False Equivolence

Again, it depends on the kind of damage and death. if he targets a certain part of himself and therefore targets a part of touma, then its not the entire person
 
Iapitus The Impaler said:
Different kind of death manipulation my guy. False Equivolence

Again, it depends on the kind of damage and death. if he targets a certain part of himself and therefore targets a part of touma, then its not the entire person
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that was to demonstrate he can negate instant death manipulation and as i said before person targeted ability get countered by IB passively, for example he can't target a can or somthing else, on the page it clearly says he target the person to have the same fate as him, not just that arm or leg, the whole person, the effect may be restricted if one wants but it's still the same (as i said bofore vento had a spell that robed the oxigen from people that would antagonize her but it still got negated because it targeted "people" even tought the effect would not reach IB)
 
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