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Funny Valentine VS Kamijou Touma

TauanVictor

TauanVictor

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Funny Valentine VS Kamijou Touma​

  • Fight Location: Houston (USA)
  • Starting Distance: 10m
  • Equalized speed
  • Both in-character
  • D4C Love Train Valentine | Base Touma
Funny Valentine: 1 (@TheGreatJedi13)
Kamijou Touma:
Inconclusive:

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This match is just gonna be Touma physically beating funny with that 9-C ap
 
What about menger sponge. They aren’t supernatural, more than they are a natural and uncommon event.
 
And what about things that are completely natural in one verse, but would be considered unnatural in others, like some power systems.
 
StekFence said:
And what about things that are completely natural in one verse, but would be considered unnatural in others, like some power systems.
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As long as they are an phenomenon that does not exist in toaru's pure world they are supernatural
 
Gemstones (natural espers) in toaru are 100% natural but they still get nulled because they don't exist in the pure world
 
Based on his profile description, it wouldn't kill Valentine just prevent him summoning his stand:

"Though it can negate anything supernatural, it cannot negate natural forces from the supernatural such as a person's life force (Evident to the fact that he hasn't killed anyone with a simple handshake)"
 
Jamesthetaker said:
Based on his profile description, it wouldn't kill Valentine just prevent him summoning his stand:

"Though it can negate anything supernatural, it cannot negate natural forces from the supernatural such as a person's life force (Evident to the fact that he hasn't killed anyone with a simple handshake)"
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Any damage done to a stand is transferred to the user and souls doesn't exist outside the body in toaru verse
 
Also ib doesn't negate naturally occurring mana in to aru verse but when it moves unnaturally aka outside the body it gets negated
 
It won't destroy Valentine souls, just prevent him from summoning Stand. Can you shown an example of Touma killing someone with Imagin Breaker?
 
Jamesthetaker said:
"Though it can negate anything supernatural, it cannot negate natural forces from the supernatural such as a person's life force (Evident to the fact that he hasn't killed anyone with a simple handshake)"
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Damage that the stand take = it affects the stand user
Stand being destroyed = Stand User dies
 
Jamesthetaker said:
It won't destroy Valentine souls, just prevent him from summoning Stand. Can you shown an example of Touma killing someone with Imagin Breaker?
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IB doesn't destroy it reshapes the supernatural to what fits in the pure world and stands don't exist in pure world
 
Again, can you guys shown me an example of Touma killing someone with IB? The profile said that Touma cannot negate natural forces from the supernatural.
 
Jamesthetaker said:
It won't destroy Valentine souls, just prevent him from summoning Stand. Can you shown an example of Touma killing someone with Imagin Breaker?
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Touma never touched someone who can be qualified as supernatural with his right hand but Sasha Kreutzev(as Archangel Gabriel) and Kazakiri Hyouka(artificial angel) were afraid of touching ib
 
Jamesthetaker said:
Again, can you guys shown me an example of Touma killing someone with IB? The profile said that Touma cannot negate natural forces from the supernatural.
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Life force existing outside the body is not natural in toaru verse. Touma can't negate the mana inside the body or in leylines but once it's outside he can
 
Rez said:
Also ib doesn't negate naturally occurring mana in to aru verse but when it moves unnaturally aka outside the body it gets negated
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It absolutely does, this is how Gremlin found him in NT2. Though, mana=/=life force.
Jamesthetaker said:
Again, can you guys shown me an example of Touma killing someone with IB? The profile said that Touma cannot negate natural forces from the supernatural.
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Well, because Toaru really doesn't like to kill people (outside of those who were created just to die), the best example is probably Aureolus Dummy:
Aureolus crawled away on the floor, only capable of escaping the boy who had caused his downfall, wondering what misfortunes befell him. He was relieved to be living.

He was still human, how could Kamijou have killed him?

The fake Aureolus no longer even knew what floor it was. Though he managed to tumble down a few floors, he no longer had the strength to crawl. His body no longer had the energy. His back rested against the wall of the dark emergency staircase while he stared at his remaining hand.

Since he was punched by the boy, he felt like the strength that supported him was being taken away. The sense of powerlessness told him that a certain mana source was cut off.

It was then that the fake Aureolus realized. He was not human. If the existence that provided him energy ceased to exist, he could not even stand. He was like Limen Magna, a tool amongst numerous substitutes.

"Ahh…" The alchemist sighed as the feeling in his fingers gradually faded. He somehow felt satisfied.

What is this? Whether it’s Limen Magna or this body, magic is negated on contact. What is that boy’s right hand? Thinking of such things, the alchemist was like a teenager looking through a telescope, his eyes sparkling with the thirst for knowledge.

The greatest question in his heart appeared: How much humanity can you maintain while you raise existence and pride?

Aureolus seemed to find his answer. Though the boy’s abnormal power was a part of it, it was the fact that, though he had such power, he still grew angered and saddened like a human.

Considering it, his tragic fate seemed meaningless. A scholar who found his final answer had no reason to live on and think.
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Then it mean that he can negate Stand aka manifestation of one's soul, not the actual soul itself.
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I'm pretty sure forceful reshaping of the soul after the damage transfer will result in Valentine looking somewhat like this.
 
Imagine Breaker are listed as Power Null yeah? Valentine is a normal person with superpower so the damage transfer rule won't apply here because what Touma does is prevent the supernatural part from happening not completely erasing it out of existence. I have zero knowledge on Toaru but based on Touma profile, he hasn't really kill a person by just disable their power.
 
Jamesthetaker said:
Imagine Breaker are listed as Power Null yeah? Valentine is a normal person with superpower so the damage transfer rule won't apply here because what Touma does is prevent the supernatural part from happening not completely erasing it out of existence. I have zero knowledge on Toaru but based on Touma profile, he hasn't really kill a person by just disable their power.
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D4C will literally stop existing if Touma touches it, which means that Valentine dies
 
From what i've seen IB doesn't erase supernatural phenomena out of existence, he just deactivated it. Damage transfer rule won't apply because D4C only got nulled not killed.
 
Jamesthetaker said:
I won't repeat this again: Damage transfer rule doesn't apply here because IB will negate Stand, the manifestion of the soul, not erasing the actual soul.
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It doesn't have to erase the actual soul negating the stand will kill valentine because of damage transfer
 
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