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Rin: On the other hand, the laws of the Archival Space are different. Think of Archival Space as existing in the higher dimensions. From a higher dimension, 3D is like a flat fabric. Let's see...say the 3D world is a world written in a book, and jumping in it resulted in finding yourself outside of the book, okay? It becomes so that you are able to see from above your own past, present, future, in the form of records. This is the perspective of a higher dimension. Do you see? At that point, all time within the book becomes equal. After all, you can view any point in time you like, whenever you want. There's no past or future. It's the same as that. This place is imaginary number space, a higher-dimensional informational space formed by light.
So we have a very clear cut explanation prior that when Rin says BB has a higher dimensional perspective thanks to merging with the Moon Cell, she is actually talking about legitimate higher dimensions. From this we also know that who ever wrote this story actually does have an idea of how higher dimensions work, and its not just referring to Reality Marbles or timelines or whatever as dimensions.
Next, there's this bit about 8D barriers:
"BB :: However…The Moon Cell, you might say impudent, or that its defenses are flawless. Even though I managed to pass through the imaginary number space at the speed of light, a huge wall now stands before our devilish heroine BB-chan! It's a perfectly spherical spirit particle defense wall that cuts through eight dimensions. It looks like it'll be very hard to break down this wall. But this is the last move. After I break this wall into little pieces I'll have reached my goal. So I've left all of you in Meltlilith's care. The girl can't really take a joke, but her work is perfect. So take care, senpai. Please entertain me with your useless flailing on this layer too ÔÖÑ"
Until now, this has just been assumed to be someone throwing in the word "dimension" to make things seem more impressive, and that it's not actually 8 dimensional. The second point of which is fair because that's not how dimensions work. The first part on the other hand, I find that it is extremely foolish to assume it's not actually talking about actual dimensions when the writer shows in the quote above that they are entirely aware of what higher dimensions are and how they work.
Continuing on the above, I'm going to point something out. The bolded quote never says that the wall is 8 dimensional. Just that it cuts through 8 dimensions.
So if we get rid of the idea that "the wall is 1-C", which seems to cause a lot of outrage, which is fair because that's not really how higher dimensions and their structures work at all....
Then we still have a statement of "8 dimensions". An even more believable statement I'd think, considering how it's believed that lower dimensional things "cut" through higher dimensional things as a flat plane, and the wall is "cutting through" 8 dimensions, further alluding to how actual dimensions work.
Next, this article here, and this video here, both talk about the 8th dimension being comprised of all the possible timelines from all different universes:
The article states: "The Eighth Dimension: A Plane of All Possible Worlds, Each With Different Start Conditions, Each Branching Out Infinitely"
While the video states: "in the seventh dimension we treated all of the possible timelines which could be generated from our big bang as if this was a single point, and imagine drawing a line to a point representing all the possible timelines for a completely different universe"
Now both of these sound very similar to "Meanwhile, the core of the Moon Cell, simulator of parallel worlds, calculating all kinds of possibilities, past and present and future all existing at the same time."
So what I'm getting at here is that if nothing else, the Moon Cell is capable of simulating 8 dimensions within itself.
Outlier? Never showed that sort of power before? Sure. Outside itself, the Moon Cell might be able to warp reality, but never on that scale. Except the interior of the Moon Cell is very different to its exterior, in that it isn't a simulation at all, it's actually reality. It make sense that a computer is able to do things in its own data that it can't do outside itself.
Am I arguing for 1-C Moon Cell? No, not really. That sort of thing is still an outlier. But I still firmly believe the Moon Cell is capable of affecting and understanding 8 dimensional things, even if it isn't straight up 1-C. Higher Dimensional hax, similar to what The Authority got for creating Cloud Mountain.
You might argue that this is all circumstantial evidence. But if Gurran Lagan can get upgrades to High 1-C because of one mention of 10th and 11th dimensions and allusions to String Theory, then I think that it's entirely reasonable to take a clear explanation of how higher dimensions work, an 8th dimensional statement, and allusions to the nature of 8 dimensions in String Theory, as the Moon Cell having 8 dimensions within it.
Now, how does this apply to BB?
Obviously not an upgrade. Outliers and all that. Getting beaten by a 5-A. The scale of Nasuverse that has been otherwise shown.
But here's what we do get:
"That very Moon Cell is what BB became. She gained the perspective of a higher dimension. That's why....BB can make use of the past and the future at the same time. When she reached the core, she gained the power to choose and ascertain the future"
Conclusions? BB probably has a 8th dimensional perspective of reality, at least the reality within the Moon Cell
And finally, just to hammer home that BB's mind has definitely merged with something capable of simulating an 8th dimensional multiverse...
'With the inclusion of the AI called BB, the Moon Cell, which had been only the eye of god, became the brain of the god."
To finish up, there's also this thread here:
https://vsbattles.com/vsbattles/1429666
It was agreed that yes, having a higher dimensional mind does equal immunity to lower dimensional mind hax unless that mind hax is otherwise shown to affect higher dimensional beings.
So, BB needs to get it stated on her page that her higher dimensional perspective is effective from an 8 dimensional standpoint, and needs to get resistance to mind hax based on her mind being many degrees of infinity above normal 3-D mind hax.
And she should probably also get higher dimensional manipulation based on merging with and controllnig the moon cell that contains 8 dimensional space within itself.
Edit: Also, she needs to get Type 9 added regardless of the 8D bit, as her mind is still merged with the Moon Cell and is independent from her physical body.
Rin: On the other hand, the laws of the Archival Space are different. Think of Archival Space as existing in the higher dimensions. From a higher dimension, 3D is like a flat fabric. Let's see...say the 3D world is a world written in a book, and jumping in it resulted in finding yourself outside of the book, okay? It becomes so that you are able to see from above your own past, present, future, in the form of records. This is the perspective of a higher dimension. Do you see? At that point, all time within the book becomes equal. After all, you can view any point in time you like, whenever you want. There's no past or future. It's the same as that. This place is imaginary number space, a higher-dimensional informational space formed by light.
So we have a very clear cut explanation prior that when Rin says BB has a higher dimensional perspective thanks to merging with the Moon Cell, she is actually talking about legitimate higher dimensions. From this we also know that who ever wrote this story actually does have an idea of how higher dimensions work, and its not just referring to Reality Marbles or timelines or whatever as dimensions.
Next, there's this bit about 8D barriers:
"BB :: However…The Moon Cell, you might say impudent, or that its defenses are flawless. Even though I managed to pass through the imaginary number space at the speed of light, a huge wall now stands before our devilish heroine BB-chan! It's a perfectly spherical spirit particle defense wall that cuts through eight dimensions. It looks like it'll be very hard to break down this wall. But this is the last move. After I break this wall into little pieces I'll have reached my goal. So I've left all of you in Meltlilith's care. The girl can't really take a joke, but her work is perfect. So take care, senpai. Please entertain me with your useless flailing on this layer too ÔÖÑ"
Until now, this has just been assumed to be someone throwing in the word "dimension" to make things seem more impressive, and that it's not actually 8 dimensional. The second point of which is fair because that's not how dimensions work. The first part on the other hand, I find that it is extremely foolish to assume it's not actually talking about actual dimensions when the writer shows in the quote above that they are entirely aware of what higher dimensions are and how they work.
Continuing on the above, I'm going to point something out. The bolded quote never says that the wall is 8 dimensional. Just that it cuts through 8 dimensions.
So if we get rid of the idea that "the wall is 1-C", which seems to cause a lot of outrage, which is fair because that's not really how higher dimensions and their structures work at all....
Then we still have a statement of "8 dimensions". An even more believable statement I'd think, considering how it's believed that lower dimensional things "cut" through higher dimensional things as a flat plane, and the wall is "cutting through" 8 dimensions, further alluding to how actual dimensions work.
Next, this article here, and this video here, both talk about the 8th dimension being comprised of all the possible timelines from all different universes:
The article states: "The Eighth Dimension: A Plane of All Possible Worlds, Each With Different Start Conditions, Each Branching Out Infinitely"
While the video states: "in the seventh dimension we treated all of the possible timelines which could be generated from our big bang as if this was a single point, and imagine drawing a line to a point representing all the possible timelines for a completely different universe"
Now both of these sound very similar to "Meanwhile, the core of the Moon Cell, simulator of parallel worlds, calculating all kinds of possibilities, past and present and future all existing at the same time."
So what I'm getting at here is that if nothing else, the Moon Cell is capable of simulating 8 dimensions within itself.
Outlier? Never showed that sort of power before? Sure. Outside itself, the Moon Cell might be able to warp reality, but never on that scale. Except the interior of the Moon Cell is very different to its exterior, in that it isn't a simulation at all, it's actually reality. It make sense that a computer is able to do things in its own data that it can't do outside itself.
Am I arguing for 1-C Moon Cell? No, not really. That sort of thing is still an outlier. But I still firmly believe the Moon Cell is capable of affecting and understanding 8 dimensional things, even if it isn't straight up 1-C. Higher Dimensional hax, similar to what The Authority got for creating Cloud Mountain.
You might argue that this is all circumstantial evidence. But if Gurran Lagan can get upgrades to High 1-C because of one mention of 10th and 11th dimensions and allusions to String Theory, then I think that it's entirely reasonable to take a clear explanation of how higher dimensions work, an 8th dimensional statement, and allusions to the nature of 8 dimensions in String Theory, as the Moon Cell having 8 dimensions within it.
Now, how does this apply to BB?
Obviously not an upgrade. Outliers and all that. Getting beaten by a 5-A. The scale of Nasuverse that has been otherwise shown.
But here's what we do get:
"That very Moon Cell is what BB became. She gained the perspective of a higher dimension. That's why....BB can make use of the past and the future at the same time. When she reached the core, she gained the power to choose and ascertain the future"
Conclusions? BB probably has a 8th dimensional perspective of reality, at least the reality within the Moon Cell
And finally, just to hammer home that BB's mind has definitely merged with something capable of simulating an 8th dimensional multiverse...
'With the inclusion of the AI called BB, the Moon Cell, which had been only the eye of god, became the brain of the god."
To finish up, there's also this thread here:
https://vsbattles.com/vsbattles/1429666
It was agreed that yes, having a higher dimensional mind does equal immunity to lower dimensional mind hax unless that mind hax is otherwise shown to affect higher dimensional beings.
So, BB needs to get it stated on her page that her higher dimensional perspective is effective from an 8 dimensional standpoint, and needs to get resistance to mind hax based on her mind being many degrees of infinity above normal 3-D mind hax.
And she should probably also get higher dimensional manipulation based on merging with and controllnig the moon cell that contains 8 dimensional space within itself.
Edit: Also, she needs to get Type 9 added regardless of the 8D bit, as her mind is still merged with the Moon Cell and is independent from her physical body.
