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Possibly 1-B Q?

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It would scale to all three.

I could just fuse all their keys into one.
 
I see. W.I.T.C.H ( Mostly Comics ) has the same problem. It was stated to have Infinite Dimensions , Worlds, and Timelines ... Albeit Dimensions was never defined as a realm or a pocket dimension at all [ The fact they refer to the Divine Realm / Kandarkar as a Higher Sphere/Dimension and require an Infinite^Infinite amount of ascensions to reach... a few times severely helps my case ] . So... I'm planning on making a blog making them tier High 1-B because of it.

On topic... I agree with this. Part of the reason he's even High 2-A... Is because of Q's subspace... Which now has limitless dimensions. I see no problem with it.
 
Well, okay @Seed.

I'd be willing to support that.

The bigger question is, possibly 1-B or straight 1-B? I think you could make a case for either-or.
 
I suppose its alrite but why do they say "of a galaxy"?

btw there could also be a key for 10-B Q when he's stripped of his powers (an upgrade and a downgrade thread) :^)
 
Eh, I'm kinda iffy about a 10-B key for him. He didn't really do anything while a human and his powers were restored before the end of the episode.

And I don't know, it's most likely just a figure of speech. They don't really explore outside our own galaxy too much.
 
I think we rate featless regular humans as 10-B here (assuming they are meant to be portrayed as everyday real life people i.e. you and me)

contrastingly i was also thinking of giving No. 1 a High 2-A (or 1-B?) key
 
Well, yeah, but the thing is, he did nothing relevant while a human. No fights, no nothing. He just kind of meandered around, flaunting his limited, but still vast intelligence, before he decided to sacrifice himself, leading to the Continuum giving him back his powers. And @Ant, I suppose I can leave him a message.
 
maybe for the sake of completionism to include his human form i guess someone could still do a match up with that version of him. given his limited but still vast intelligence would probably give him an edge over any other normal people. so he has 3 forms right?, 4 if the fusion of him and the calamarain would still be considered Q himself
 
The fusion of him + Calamarain is still up for debate as the subject of a non-canon profile for him. (We'd have to gauge what that would even make him) But I still disagree with adding his human form. It wasn't relevant for anything longer than one episode, he never did anything while "human," and it's likely that the Q Continuum simply were temporarily nullifying his power.
 
so is him + Calamarain his strongest or prophet Q?

i think limitless dimensional is High 1-B
 
Not sure; both become infinitely greater than their respective parts. He plus Calamarain may be infinitely dimensional though; it's been a while since I've read that book.

Also, maybe. We'll see what Azzy says. I said 1-B as a safer end, but I suppose it could be considered infinite.
 
"Super-race able to change matter to energy and to suspend time, existing in a continuum of the limitless dimensions of the galaxy."

This doesn't sound clear enough to mean higher-dimensions.
 
I agree that the wording sounds too unspecific.
 
There are other source that also supports the ST verse being tier 1. Barclay debating with the holodeck einstein about relativity which would suggest the verse is at least as big as ours, which is High 1-C.
 
... No?

Also, our "Verse" is Low 2-C. Nothing beyond our universe is definitively proven and String-theory dimensions =/= Higher Realities / Geometrical dimensions in fiction.
 
@Azzy

The site is an official, licensed database.

@Matt

The Q Continuum in multiple different medias is always directly stated to be extra dimensional, and several sources mention subspace, which it presumably lies within, to contain and be the gateway to all higher dimensions. Barclay and Einstein discuss 10 and 26 dimensions, with an emphasis on 10. ST always uses "dimensions," to refer to spatial/temporal ones, and not "parallel realities," and other nonsense.

This statement would seem to imply that the Q Continuum is a Continuum of all these dimensions, which, as I said, always refers to spatiotemporal dimensions.
 
the size of our own verse being only Low 2-C is downplaying real life. just because our life sucks we get to lowball objective reality. well, that's just biased man. should watch some neil degrasse tyson and get inspired or go out more. but yeah, there would be multiple sources to support for possibly tier 1 star trek.
 
>implying we somehow now have undeniable proof of String Theory being 100% true

lmao what

Anyway...

@Aeyu

Yes, I know. But I'm asking if the information solely comes from here or if it's actually based on something in the show or a movie. The latter could help support it, as right now, it's a pretty vague quote that seems to only originate from the website.
 
At this point, F-Theory seems to be emerging as a big candidate, as is E8, so...

Superstring and M may soon be superceded by better theories.

And well, I'm not sure on exact quotes used, but it is repeatedly mentioned that the Continuum is "outside the universe," and is extra-dimensional; as I'm sure you know all of Trek is pretty vague on numbering dimensions; I had to hunt hard for the 5-D thing but it would seem that subspace (Another dimension or series of dimensions of the space-time continuum) also being a gateway to higher dimensions, would support a Possibly rating more than anything. I agree that there is not enough to go off of with a solid rating, but as was mentioned above, 10 to 26 possible higher dimensions were mentioned within TNG (I can get specific statements if you'd like)
 
What does that even mean? Also, one week bump. I can try to find any and all other things that may suggest reasoning for the countless higher dimensions in ST, but in general higher dimensions aren't covered too often.
 
You can ask Azathoth to comment here again if you wish.
 
He seems to have problems with his notifications, so hopefully not.
 
yup, in the meantime, theres more misc. abilities that could be added on to the page with some examples


Size Manipulation: scaling from quinn who shrunk the voyager to the size of subatomic particles

Duplication: created an exact duplicate of him to testify against quinn

Flight

Empathic Manipulation: scaling from amanda rogers who made riker loved her

Explosion Manipulation: scaling from amanda rogers who contained the explosion from an engine breach

Resurrection: implied the Q's can bring people back to life when riker wanted to save a little girl but didn't due to an oath

Clairvoyance: (dont know if that doubles up with cosmic awareness or part of it)

Transformation: (dont know if that is covered in shapeshifting, but Q can turn people into any creature)

Transmutation: (dont know if that is already covered by matter manipulation)

Forcefield Creation: encounter at farpoint when the enterprise first came across Q it blocked the ship with a huge net-like structure

Weather Manipulation: scaling from the Q's who killed amanda rogers parents via a tornado and her altering a planets atmosphere

Sealing: imprisoned quinn a suicidal Q in a comet

Healing: demonstrated by riker when he restored geordi's eyes

Age Manipulation: demonstrated by riker when he turned wesley into an adult

Light Manipulation: can make himself glow brightly to emulate divinity

Darkness Manipulation: Q's have been shown to assume shadow form (dont know if that just attributes to shapeshifting)

Memory Manipulation: can wipe out memories and usually does this when sending people back to where they came from

Time Travel

Time Stop: the entire episode of TNG Hide and Q occured in stop time

Ice Manipulation: did this or rather just put Elemental Manipulation

Status Effect Inducement: can place people in a "penalty box" like he did with tasha yar, and also via previous ability

Perception Manipulation: riker thought of lemonade and the drink tasted like it, not only that but can appear as himself and to everyone else someone else

Invisibility: like above can appear in any timeline and history without being noticed

Base Q should have Fusionism, Nigh-Omniscience, and Void Manipulation/Existence Erasure as well

Technological Manipulation: not sure if this is a good example

probable Dream Manipulation and Illusion Creation

and a bunch of others (not an invitation to NLF btw)
 
Wait.... Aeyu... You're an mod ?! Congrats ! On topic, i remember a statement that implied High 1-B before , but i need to look a bit to find it. I'll let you guys know... Okay ?
 
The new powers should probably be fine to add.
 
@Crzer, Ant Some of those are already on there, but I will bring Azathoth here so we can discuss this more. That being said, if you can find anything in TNG or VOY that implies the nature of Q's higher dimensionality, it should preferrably be demonstrated.

@Seed

Thank you! Anyway, if you have any evidence that may support a High 1-B rating, please demonstrate it. Remember, some of the comics are also considered to be "canon," in that they are not just licensed products (We could make a separate tier for that perhaps)

This is my new, more coherent argument:

The Q-Continuum is noted to be an extra-dimensional realm which exists outside of the space-time continuum itself, the space-time continuum containing subspace, which, when manipulated, can change the cosmological constant:

"According to Jack in 2375, a massive spherical grid of subspace field generators could be used to manipulate subspaceto reduce the mass of the universe and therefore change the cosmological constant. This would avert the collapse of the universe. (DS9: "Chrysalis")"

which directly is tied into the quantum principle in relation to relativity, which describes a universe/multiverse which can contain as many as 10 to 26 dimensions:

"In 2367, a Cytheria-enhanced Reginald Barclay discussed the cosmological constant with a holographic Einstein. Barclay wondered how Einstein included quantum principle into the Theory of General Relativity without adjusting the constant much more, which according to Einstein would lead to twenty-six dimensions instead of ten. (TNG: "The Nth Degree")"

Subspace has been noted to be the gateway to higher dimensions, and is where fifth-dimensional aliens originate from (the only explicitly-numbered dimensional beings in Trek to my knowledge)

The Traveler, a being much weaker than the Q, has total control over warp fields, a subspace displacement which allows ships to travel at massively FTL+ speeds, and is extra-dimensional:

"The Traveler had certain abilities, like the ability to act like "a lens with focused thought", which allowed him to alter space, time, and warp fields with the power of his mind. He could phase out of time and dimension and move between planets and starships. These abilities were based on his ability to focus the energy of thoughts and in his advanced understanding of the nature of reality."

IMO, the "limitless dimensions of the galaxy", statement in the database only solidifies a possibly or solid 1-B rating, which would then scale to Nagilum, as Nagilum is a dimensionless being who also exists outside of the continuum and subspace, and possesses the most impressive hax that I can think of in the series.
 
I also agree with Aeyu . BTW ... Is there any comment about what i have ? I know it's not much... But i believe it's better than nothing whatsoever. I believe at least.
 
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