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Zeref Time Manipulation Resistance

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@iMadeThisOn

They're are resistance, if they couldn't hurt him or even kill him then he resisted them. Why would someone who is trying to kill himself try and resist the attack of their enemy, so him physically resisting these abilities means that he resistance to them.
 
Fairy Heart was Irene not Zeref. And does the CoA only grant Death Manipulation Resistance? Zeref no sold Mavis' Curse while his only put her into a coma.
 
@Kaiser

This is where you are wrong, we don't know if they couldn't hurt him. We solely know that they couldn't kill him... which can easily be answered by the fact that Zeref is very durable and immortal.

Not everything is a resistance because it doesn't kill you when you have immortality.
 
DragonEmperor23 said:
Zeref: Soul Absorption Resistance (because of Franmalth ), Pleasure and Soul Manipulation Resistance (because of Larcade's magic ), Magic Absorption (Because he absorbed all of fairy heart away from mavis), Time Manipulation Resistance, Magic Nullification Resistance, Death Manipulation Resistance, Spatial Manipulation and it's Resistances.
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You would need to specify that Fairy Heart has the Time and Space Resistance though. All in all, this list I agree with.

On that note, where did we get spatial resistance? Don't remember a feat like that from the Demon's or anyone Zeref fought.
 
It think he's getting it from surpassing time by comparing it to Timemon. However, Timemon only got Spatial stuff due to it directly saying time AND space. Maybe wrong though.
 
@iMadeThisOne

If he resisted this via his durability that means he should still get them, he was able to resist each and every one of this abilities with his phyiscal body. He didn't resist via immortality because none of them were able to kill him.

If he died and came back because of his immortality then he would have resisted because of his immortality, but it clearly says that none of them was even able to kill him.
 
But Kaiser 7-B fire not hurting someone with 6-A dura doesn't give that person fire resistance, it just means they were too weak to hurt him.
 
@Dragon

Why would he keep his durability so high when he is trying to kill himself, wouldn't it be logical for him to lower his durability for them to get a chance at being able to hit him.

Also can we compare the zeref from 400 years ago to the zeref at the present time in term of strenght

Edit: Zeref before FH is stated to be High 6-C on his profile, not 6-A
 
If he wants to find a way to kill himself and a stronger magic to kill himself with, of course he would have to train.

Also zeref wasn't only training for himself, but he was also training to revive his dead brother. Before he became suicidal he was focused on reviving natsu, so he would have to go around and find a way to revive his brother while getting slowly stronger.
 
Yeah, I am not agreeing to Zeref getting those resistances. He is incredibly durable and immortal. Those abilities not killing him could be due to his durability and immortality, not because it was resistance. It's too vague and without actual proof, yet we can waive it off due to Zeref's durability and immortality. Thus, we shouldn't be considering resistance to them.

@DragonEmperor23

@Dragonmasterxyx

Is this the scan you are deriving spatial resistance to?
 
@iMadeThisOn

How do you know that zeref from 400 years ago is the same zeref of today, you have no proof to claim that he would still have the same durability. Also why would someone who trying to kill himself keep his durability so high, it would be logical for him to lower it.

None of them were able to kill him, so him resisting the attack via immortality is out of the picture. If he died and came back dua to his immortality, then we would have said it was because of his immortality. But it was stated by zeref himself that none of them were able to kill him, so him resisting the attacks because of immortality is out of the picture.
 
zeref link the ravines of time with the fairy tail door, is more evidences of spatial manipulation. Afterall the ravines of time is a pocket dimension in the space between time. 1 2 3
 
@Kaiser

Since when could Zeref lower his durability?

Also, it makes perfect sense that it was due to immortality. If they couldn't kill him because of immortality then obviously they couldn't kill him.

There is no feat to argue about this, thus we can't claim a resistance since it can be explained through durability and immortality.

@Dragonmasterxyz

Is that scan enough to argue for resistance to spatial manipulation?
 
KaiserReinhardt said:
I'm not sure but wasn't he getting spatial resistance because of the same reason as his time stop resistance.
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It's not because of this reason.

  • Neo Eclipse (ÒâìÒé¬Òâ╗Òé¿Òé»Òâ¬ÒâùÒé╣ Neo Ekuripusu): With the power of Fairy Heart and the Space Between Time, Zeref is able to merge both Magics into one, to create this Magic. With it he can relive life again, destroying the current world while the new one replaces it. Neo Eclipse was in the form a door (by walking through it will induce the magic) as Zeref merged it with Fairy Tail's guild door.[126]
  • The Space Between Time (µÖéÒü«þï¡Úûô Toki no Hazama) is a magical dimension deviated from the power of "nothingness".
    • The Space Between Time was created from the distortions in the time from the five Dragon Slayers and Anna Heartfilia crossing over 400 years, which as time passed and tried to fix itself it was manufactured.
    • The power of nothingness, neither light or dark, it was originally stated that no one can exist within it, as well as live within it.[1] It is possible that it can be moved, shut off and/or closed that if those who touch it simply pass right through, as well as it can be harnessed to be used in conjunction with other Magics (such as Fairy Heart).[2]
    • Within the Space Between Time lies another dimension, the current controller of it being Acnologia due to consuming the magical power source.[3]
  • Wow, just found a conclusive evidence for Zeref's EE resistance and another resistance for Acnologia as EE.
 
We already that EE exist in the verse, so can't it be EE resistance too.

https://www.**********.com/fairy-tail/530/11

https://www.**********.com/fairy-tail/530/12

https://www.**********.com/fairy-tail/530/13
 
DragonEmperor23 said:
3. Zeref getting cursed

4. 400 years of suicidal Zeref
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It wasn't 400 years of suicidal zeref, at first he was happy for his immortality because now he could use all this time to ressurect his dead brother. 1

Full chapter
 
That's weird, he should have time manip and spacial manip resistance because he can eat those magic and thus would not be effected by them.
 
I agree the time was would have been off but my point is still was suicidal for a long time that is my point. Centuries.

For perspective, https://www.**********.com/fairy-tail/494/5


The quote where he mentioned that Mavis would not die by decapitation or normal mean was that long ago and that he would hope to die was that long ago. https://www.**********.com/fairy-tail/450/11
 
@iMadeThisOn

I didn't say he could lower his durability, but that it would be logical for him to do so. Also you have no proof that zeref durability from 400 years ago is the same as the one of the present time, it would only be logical to assume that his durability grow stronger as his magic became stronger.

Him resisting via immortality is out of the picture, none of them were able to kill him. So him dying and coming back isn't the case here, and zeref already stated that they couldn't kill him.

It can't be explained threw durability because you have no proof that his durability has always been the same, and it can't be explained threw immortality either because zeref's statement already debunked this.

Edit: I was replying to #349
 
Pretty sure Zeref was cursed after devising the Eclipse Gate. That was the last method he thought of to bring Natsu back before his expulsion from the magic school which coicided with his first death wave which killed everyone there. It was then revealed that he had been preserving Natsu's body since his death (no idea how a child without magic pulled that off).
 
DragonEmperor23 said:
it went

1. Natsu's death

2. Natsu's revival

3. Zeref getting cursed

4. 400 years of suicidal Zeref
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Actually No

1. Natsu's Death

2. Zeref Gets cursed

3. Zeref Creates Demons

4. Zeref Revives Natsu

5. Natsu goes to future

6. Zeref wants to die for 400 years
 
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