Za Huntoda vs Zeref Doragneel (Grace Period)

[DragonEmperor23]

Elderseal won't null Time Travel.

^

 

[DragonEmperor23]

@Rein

"The Dragon Element on weapons is a power that directly attacks the mind and consciousness of the monster. The more intelligent and sentient the monster, the more damage the element does to the monster."

This isn't enough to say that it destroys minds.

 

[DragonEmperor23]

Zeref ***** himself, those are some very noice abilities on the Hunter's side

@Enryu

Why did you count this as a vote?

 

[Enryu_The_Red_Tower]

Zeref ***** himself, those are some very noice abilities on the Hunter's side

@Enryu
Why did you count this as a vote?

And it is resolved, I have withdrawn the vote from @Kurac

 

[DragonEmperor23]

So basically.

Fight starts. Hunter shoots a tranq at Zeref. Zeref dodges. Zeref spawns a Death Pillar on Hunter. Nothing happens. Zeref realizes he can't kill him and time travels to kill Hunter in his sleep. The end.


Hunter won't be able to hit Zeref with any of his mind destroying, soul destroying, or power nulling attacks because his range with those weapons is only hundreds of meters and they start 1km away. Zeref would easily be able to time travel from this distance before being attacked. All of Hunter's votes are based off of him doing something that he needs to be in a closer range to do and will get defeated before ever getting that close. Votes are nulled if their reasoning is debunked.

I don't mean to spam posts, but this directly debunks any of the ways Hunter would win in this fight.

 

[Enryu_The_Red_Tower]

With the vote taken from @Kurac, the true Grace Period began when?

 

[DragonEmperor23]

Hunter can approach him fine. Depending on what he needs to do to destroy, he may able to kill Zeref and bypass Low-godly. He destroys mind and soul.

Dargoo's vote is based off of this, which isn't valid enough to be reasoning on it's own. It would be like saying Zeref can time travel and have that be a vote.

Without that it would be 6 vs 1 but we need to take into mind that debunked reasoning, which is what the other votes are, nulls votes.

 

[Kisaragi_Megumi]

Screw you,Emp.

 

[DragonEmperor23]

Screw you,Emp.

why me

 

[Kisaragi_Megumi]

Dunno,because your avi pissed off me.

 

[DragonEmperor23]

u don't like mori jin?

 

[Kisaragi_Megumi]

I likey,but that face in your avi make me want to punch you in irl.

 

[DragonEmperor23]

oof

 

[Kisaragi_Megumi]

More challenging for me to punch someone irl,"biar greget" ovo

 

[DragonEmperor23]

is this better

 

[Kisaragi_Megumi]

 

[fandom_9TailAcno]

Again anyone can tell me why zeref cant kill him? Since i didn't see any death manipulation resistance on his profile? Or hunter have any resistance to time manipulation?

 

[DragonEmperor23]

The armor is what has resistance to death manip. That's why I said Zeref would kill him in his sleep.

 

[fandom_9TailAcno]

The armor is what has resistance to death manip. That's why I said Zeref would kill him in his sleep.

Its missing in his profile

 

[DragonEmperor23]

Resistance to Mind Manipulation (Immune to the mind controlling properties of Effluvium and the Frenzy Virus)

the paragraph of resistance starts here and continues to


Telepathy, BFR, Death Manipulation, Absorption, Dream Manipulation, Possession, Illusion Creation, Memory Manipulation, Darkness Manipulation, Soul Manipulation (Able to resist the effects of the Fatalis armor)

 

[DragonEmperor23]

@Rein

Where does the death manip resistance come from?

 

[Kisaragi_Megumi]

Well,better waiting Rein to woke.

 

[DragonEmperor23]

The death manip part doesn't matter since the Hunter has passive power null but since Enryu wants Rein to confirm it a second time(I think that's why he hasn't said anything about the votes), we should wait.

 

[Mr. Bambu]

the mind resistance should be expanded to include resisting the effects of Dragon Element, too

 

[Mr. Bambu]

Also, Dargoo's vote was removed... because it'd be like saying time travel is a valid reason for voting... when that is your reason for voting?

What?

 

[DragonEmperor23]

I'm saying, Zeref is able to time travel.

^that by itself is not enough for a vote. You would have to explain how that lets him win.

 

[Theglassman12]

him time traveling doesn't help when he has no idea who the hunter is, or where he lives, or what his name is.

 

[DragonEmperor23]

him time traveling doesn't help when he has no idea who the hunter is, or where he lives, or what his name is.

The part where Zeref watches him and finds out? I've literally gone over all of this in above posts.

 

[DragonEmperor23]

He could even just reverse time a little bit to before the Hunter put on the armor and attack him in his sleep.

^

 

[Theglassman12]

and the hunter can also just simply attack him and prevent him from even time traveling.

 

[DragonEmperor23]

How is he going to attack him from 1km away which is out of his range?

 

[Theglassman12]

he closes in on Zeref. Zeref doesn't even know that the hunter resist his death hax, which is go to move. So why would he try to time travel right off the bat if he can just try to death hax his opponent like he does for everyone he faces?

 

[DragonEmperor23]

Because his powers are all nulled except for time travel passively by the Hunter?

 

[Theglassman12]

and he wouldn't even notice that until he tried. And even then, when his opponent is close to him ready to fight, he chooses to fight them over going through the time portal.

 

[Mr. Bambu]

Zeref is dead unless he opens with timehax- he gets his other abilities negged by elderseal or the Hunter flat out resists it. At that point, he is quickly defeated since Hunter deals a lot more damage to an enemy depending on how intelligent they are. Additionally, Hunter has various abilities that tilt the game in their favor.

• Empathic Manipulation means Zeref is going to be enraged. At this point he is more likely to make mistakes and act out. Your point on this is "Zeref should resist because he built an empire and he is patient." What?

• Hunter can double their own health.

• The Hunter can win without a fight at all via Poison, Sleep, Paralysis, and so on. They have many methods of incap, is the point.

• His weapons vibrate you apart.

• Instinctive Reaction means it is that much more difficult to actually hit the Hunter.

Etc etc into infinity. So, whose vote for Hunter was removed?

 

[Mr. Bambu]

I'd also like to note that you assume Zeref is automatically aware of The Hunter negging their powers.

 

[DragonEmperor23]

This is in reply to both Bambu and Glass

1. He doesn't need to try to use his powers to know they're not there. He's a magic sensor that can sense people from islands away, it's going to be immediately clear that his powers don't work except for time travel.

Again glass I addressed that above, Garg brought it up.

2. He's going to start with time travel, that's the only move that works. No, my point was that Zeref would resist because it's easier to taunt a giant monster than an intelligent human being. The empire was an example of how intelligent Zeref is even compared to other humans. So yeah, time travel negs the current fight and then it becomes Zeref vs sleeping Hunter. Instinctive Reaction won't help you dodge every attack, especially when you are asleep.

 

[DragonEmperor23]

PIS is very different from CIS. Zeref is not stupid. He created an army,started a war, and beat up the woman he loved just to do this. He thought he had actually killed Natsu, his brother who he loves very much, before he went through the door. He had this all planned out for hundreds of years. The only reason Zeref didn't know that Natsu had gotten stronger was because the plot made him stupid enough to forget how to sense magic.

The door was behind him, that's like saying he could be able to turn around mid punch and walk through before getting beat down by Natsu.

@Glassman12 ^

 

[Mr. Bambu]

Again you assume Zeref is automatically aware of his other powers not working. Furthermore, this is not a simple taunt, this is a taunt with the ability to affect the empathy of a monster- Zeref does not in fact resist that, so who cares about his empire? Zeref gets empathy'd and is now a raging monster.

 

[Theglassman12]

@Dragon that is CIS, Zeref literally had the ability to go back in time, in which he can indeed at any point in that scene, but he chose not to just to fight his opponent. Just because you're a fictional character that built an entire empire it doesn't mean you're going to be 100% smart.