Low 6-B Bone Crusher Tournament 2022: Asta vs Natsu Dragneel (Semi-Final 1)

[DemonicDude]

Semi-Final 1:
Round 16:
Same Rules as stated in the Tournament.

Introduction:
Boys and girls here we go !! The first Semi-Final of the tournament
Entering first in the red corner the only undefeated combatant from group A it's ASTA !!!
5 matches and 5 wins in a row Asta isoozing with confidence to him it's like a walk in the park ! He literally murder stomped everyone from his group one after another !
Will he continue his undefeated streak into the finale of the tournament ? Tonight he faces a very different opponent as he finally steps out from Group A into the Semi.
Entering second in the green corner he is the Dragon slayer !!! The strongest combatant of Group B it's Natsu Dragneel !
5 matches and 4 wins and a one unexpected draw ! Natsu Dragneel might actually be the monster of Group B he burned everyone in his path and now is in the semi's Can anyone even survive 200 million degree flames ? This is no man this is freaking demon ! His eyes are set on the finals and that's something to worry about if you are in the final four.
Two of the very best of their groups goes toe to toe & the winner goes to the Final !

Results:
X792 Dragon Force Natsu Dragneel (Fairy Tail) : 5 (King, Zackra, Sonicflare9, Anonymous, Rikimarox2)
Black divider Asta (Black Clover): 4 (Fluffy, Epsilon_R, Bern, Setsuna)
Inconclusive: 9 (SuperStar, Popted2, DD, Pepper, Pokemonfan807, Sero, Nierre, Finepoint, Adem)

 

[OneBleachHurricane]

Don't Asta just Neg Natsu's Magic same as August?

 

[DemonicDude]

He could, but There are Range, Skill and AP arguments for Natsu, As we have seen previously from his fights.

 

[OneBleachHurricane]

He could, but There are Range, Skill and AP arguments for Natsu, As we have seen previously from his fights.

And those are things that August also had, sans AP, just with a bit more Hax as we have seen previously from his fights.

 

[Popted2]

Yeah Asta proceeds to magic neg Natsu and defeat him

 

[AnonymousBlank]

Yeah ….. the only thing you can argue Natsu might be able to do is his heat aura burning Asta since his magic doesn’t need contact or to even be close to him.

 

[FinePoint]

Messed up how much anti-magic ruins this tournament lol.
Asta FRA

 

[FluffyCreatureZ]

You had one job, just don't pick magic fighters and asta is (not) so screwed. Voting asta.

 

[First_Witch]

Yeah ….. the only thing you can argue Natsu might be able to do is his heat aura burning Asta since his magic doesn’t need contact or to even be close to him.

Okay but why does this not take effect here? This was the biggest argument for Natsu against Dry, which allowed Natsu to incon Dry.

 

[Zackra1799]

Doesn't Natsu just amp and one shot?

 

[FinePoint]

Okay but why does this not take effect here? This was the biggest argument for Natsu against Dry, which allowed Natsu to incon Dry.

Is the heat aura enough to KO before he gets nulled?

 

[First_Witch]

I just now that the heat is like, cartoonishly hot.

 

[FinePoint]

Oh yeah... 200 million degrees.
Nevermind, change my vote to Natsu.
Asta is dead before he can even get close.

 

[DemonicDude]

AP
Natsu: 1.72 can amp up to 6.88
Asta: 4.3 with Black Divider "AP" only rest is High 6-C I believe physically.

 

[Zackra1799]

Is the heat aura enough to KO before he gets nulled?

If he amps, which he will as his danger sense will tell him asta is no joke and I'm pretty sure Asta's dura is low enough to be less than 7.5x and this gets one shot.

 

[FinePoint]

If he amps, which he will as his danger sense will tell him asta is no joke and I'm pretty sure Asta's dura is low enough to be less than 7.5x and this gets one shot.

No, he doesn't even need it. Natsu's heat-aura can already instakill him.

 

[FluffyCreatureZ]

Is this igneels power natsu or X792? If it's X792 then natsu can't amp at will and dies in one attack.
Heat aura gets nulled by passive anti magic aura.

 

[Zackra1799]

I really don't see much Asta can do here, when Natsu amps he just kinda folds Asta physically and Natsu's heat Aura is something that Asta can't really counter.

Voting Natsu

 

[Popted2]

Asta resist heat manipulation, since this is still Black Asta with black divider

. Resistance to Heat Manipulation (Unaffected by the heat of the Yultim Volcano, a Grand Magic Region which can reduce a human to ashes with heat alone. Ran through Spirit Ladros' fire beam without difficulty)

 

[Zackra1799]

Is this igneels power natsu or X792? If it's X792 then natsu can't amp at will and dies in one attack.
Heat aura gets nulled by passive anti magic aura.

This is DF x792 Natsu and can amp with FDKM

His heat Aura really isn't even magic, his fire is just so hot it super heats everything in a ridiculous large radius including the air.

 

[Zackra1799]

Asta resist heat manipulation, since this is still Black Asta with black divider

. Resistance to Heat Manipulation (Unaffected by the heat of the Yultim Volcano, a Grand Magic Region which can reduce a human to ashes with heat alone. Ran through Spirit Ladros' fire beam without difficulty)

That ain't 200 million degrees which is what Asta needs to resist Natsu's heat

 

[Popted2]

oh well Natsu take this then

 

[FluffyCreatureZ]

This is DF x792 Natsu and can amp with FDKM

His heat Aura really isn't even magic, his fire is just so hot it super heats everything in a ridiculous large radius including the air.

Natsu cannot amp to dragon force at will, he needs to be pushed, he never does it at will. And he won't get pushed because he dies to the black divider.
Um, yes it is? His heat is literally magic. Asta passively nulls the ethernanos in the air as well as natsu's aura, heck the demon dweller just causality manipulates his aura to oblivion.

 

[Zackra1799]

Natsu cannot amp to dragon force at will, he needs to be pushed, he never does it at will. And he won't get pushed because he dies to the black divider.
Um, yes it is? His heat is literally magic. Asta passively nulls the ethernanos in the air as well as natsu's aura, heck the demon dweller just causality manipulates his aura to oblivion.

What are you even talking about, Natsu's starting in DF here.

Thats not how Natsu's heat works at all, it works by rapidly heating the air around him which is what burn the enemy. This was shown multiple times in the series where just being around Natsu is enough to melt things with ease. This is why characters like Jacob were getting burnt despite not touching Natsu's flames

 

[TheForgottenKing]

Natsu FRA


And btw wouldn’t Natsu just enter E.N.D mode as a response to his magic power source being nullified and use Curse power like he did with the magic sealing stones and the anti magic tumor

 

[FinePoint]

Natsu FRA


And btw wouldn’t Natsu just enter E.N.D mode as a response to his magic power source being nullified and use Curse power like he did with the magic sealing stones and the anti magic tumor

Isn't it weaker?

 

[Zackra1799]

Natsu FRA


And btw wouldn’t Natsu just enter E.N.D mode as a response to his magic power source being nullified and use Curse power like he did with the magic sealing stones and the anti magic tumor

This Natsu is post destroying his Demon and Dragon seed and he hasn't used his demon form since he had a demon seed so it's not likely.

 

[TheForgottenKing]

Isn't it weaker?

It says it’s comparable to his FDKM

Edit:But as Zackra pointed out this is post demon seed Natsu so it doesn’t even matter

 

[OneBleachHurricane]

It says it’s comparable to his FDKM

Which is 6-C in comparison to his DF which is Low 6-B

 

[TheForgottenKing]

Which is 6-C in comparison to his DF which is Low 6-B

Aren’t both a 4x multiplier to his AP??

Edit: Oh I think it’s because Igneel FDKM is comparable to his DF while non Igneel FDKM is weaker which E.N.D is comparable to his non Igneel FDKM

 

[OneBleachHurricane]

Aren’t both a 4x multiplier to his AP??

Natsu's DF is treated differently from the others

Edit: Oh I think it’s because Igneel FDKM is comparable to his DF while non Igneel FDKM is weaker which E.N.D is comparable to his non Igneel FDKM

Igneel's Power = Low 6-B

Dragon Force = Low 6-B

Base Natsu = 6-C

END = 6-C = Base Natsu + FDKM

FDKM = 4X Multiplier

 

[FluffyCreatureZ]

What are you even talking about, Natsu's starting in DF here.

Thats not how Natsu's heat works at all, it works by rapidly heating the air around him which is what burn the enemy. This was shown multiple times in the series where just being around Natsu is enough to melt things with ease. This is why characters like Jacob were getting burnt despite not touching Natsu's flames

Wait he STARTS in it? Okay that's different then. Asta will actually have to fight by nulling everything without getting hit.
Yes and what's heating the air? That's right, fire magic. And what does asta do? Passive null fire magic. Therefore, asta nulls any heat that comes off natsu into the atmosphere. Also since when does natsu have 200 million C heat?

 

[Zackra1799]

Wait he STARTS in it? Okay that's different then. Asta will actually have to fight by nulling everything without getting hit.
Yes and what's heating the air? That's right, fire magic. And what does asta do? Passive null fire magic. Therefore, asta nulls any heat that comes off natsu into the atmosphere. Also since when does natsu have 200 million C heat?

Natsu starts outside of Asta's range which is only several dozen meters in this key, Natsu has plenty of time to turn up the heat

Even if Natsu can't get off his heat Aura, Natsu only needs one punch to end Asta as his dura scales above 650 Gigatons while Natsu's ap scales to 6.8 Teratons when amped, a 10x difference, which is enough to oneshot

 

[AnonymousBlank]

Okay but why does this not take effect here? This was the biggest argument for Natsu against Dry, which allowed Natsu to incon Dry.

I mean ….. I wasn’t saying Natsu loses, just that he has one thing that can actually work on Asta.

Wait he STARTS in it? Okay that's different then. Asta will actually have to fight by nulling everything without getting hit.
Yes and what's heating the air? That's right, fire magic.

You do realise that that reasoning doesn’t actually hold up right? Fire magic heating the air doesn’t make the heat magical, it is just produced by a magical source. Lightning heats the air it passes through, is the air now lightning in nature? Is the heat electrical?

And what does asta do? Passive null fire magic. Therefore, asta nulls any heat that comes off natsu into the atmosphere. Also since when does natsu have 200 million C heat?

It’s on his page. Wahl’s Magic Confinement Fusion is the same thing as Magnetic Confinement Fusion which produces 200 million C, Invel (who knows what Wahl can do) says that no one but Natsu can melt his ice.

Natsu doesn’t even need that heat feat to beat Asta's resistance considering he vaporises sand and rock, liquifies stone etc etc

Plus the one shot gap Natsu has that Zackra pointed out.

 

[Epsilon_R]

Asta can use Demon-Destroyer to severe Causality and thus nullify effects. He should be able to do that to not be affected by the heat

Basically, Natsu heating the air is still the effect of Fire Magic and Asta can negate effects of Magic

 

[FluffyCreatureZ]

Natsu starts outside of Asta's range which is only several dozen meters in this key, Natsu has plenty of time to turn up the heat

Even if Natsu can't get off his heat Aura, Natsu only needs one punch to end Asta as his dura scales above 650 Gigatons while Natsu's ap scales to 6.8 Teratons when amped, a 10x difference, which is enough to oneshot

True. Demon destroyer negates the aura. Asta can null everything with the demon slayer at range, reflect everything with the huge black divider, and reverse stuff like the aura with the demon destroyer as well as dodge everything with flight and precognition then a few cuts with the black divider will beat natsu.

I mean ….. I wasn’t saying Natsu loses, just that he has one thing that can actually work on Asta.

You do realise that that reasoning doesn’t actually hold up right? Fire magic heating the air doesn’t make the heat magical, it is just produced by a magical source. Lightning heats the air it passes through, is the air now lightning in nature? Is the heat electrical?

It’s on his page. Wahl’s Magic Confinement Fusion is the same thing as Magnetic Confinement Fusion which produces 200 million C, Invel (who knows what Wahl can do) says that no one but Natsu can melt his ice.

Natsu doesn’t even need that heat feat to beat Asta's resistance considering he vaporises sand and rock, liquifies stone etc etc

Plus the one shot gap Natsu has that Zackra pointed out.

That makes sense. But the demon destroyer will actually still reverse that.

 

[Zackra1799]

True. Demon destroyer negates the aura. Asta can null everything with the demon slayer at range, reflect everything with the huge black divider, and reverse stuff like the aura with the demon destroyer as well as dodge everything with flight and precognition then a few cuts with the black divider will beat natsu.

That makes sense. But the demon destroyer will actually still reverse that.

how would asta be able to reverse something when he nigh instantly dies from heat with far higher temp then he's ever encountered that's also 10x above his dura?

 

[Epsilon_R]

how would asta be able to reverse something when he nigh instantly dies from heat with far higher temp then he's ever encountered that's also 10x above his dura?

As long as he has the sword with him, he severs Causality to neg magic effects around him. It being 10 times above his AP doesn't matter

 

[Zackra1799]

As long as he has the sword with him, he severs Causality to neg magic effects around him. It being 10 times above his AP doesn't matter

IIRC He still has to activate said ability for it to take affect, like when he fought the dragon breath devil guy. He wouldn't get the chance here as he just dies instantly.

 

[Epsilon_R]

IIRC He still has to activate said ability for it to take affect, like when he fought the dragon breath devil guy. He wouldn't get the chance here as he just dies instantly.

Dragon breath guy?

If you're referring to Ladros, Asta did not have Demon Destroyer at that point, so yeah