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Heat depends on temperature and not AP, asta has a large distance between them to his advantage so he can grab the demon dweller and instantly reverse the heat.
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Low 6-B Bone Crusher Tournament 2022: Asta vs Natsu Dragneel (Semi-Final 1)
- Thread starter DemonicDude
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Not Ladros, whoever the poison spade kingdom guy was in chapter 230.
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even if Asta does null the heat, it really doesn't matter because Natsu just punches him once and Asta dies
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Natsu fra
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Natsu fought and defeated Zeref who has better Precog than Asta
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When has Zeref used precog before? I don't remember at all.
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Amps?
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Zeref scales to or above Mavis's Analytical Prowess. Despite her insane precog and Info analysis, Zeref's invasion strategy countered her Precog to the point of Mavis not being able to find a single strategy to win.
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Ohh yeah Mavis. She's OP af
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Nope. Asta has better range in cqc via having swords that grow, any range that natsu uses gets nulled and asta has precognition to avoid his moves. Natsu also lasts a very very short time in DF, once that runs out, it's curtains for natsu.
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I've all ready explained why Asta's precog is borderline useless here
Asta's swords aren't an issue given he's fought Erza countless times who likely more skilled than asta in terms of swordsmanship. Natsu also could just knock asta's swords out of the way and close the gap for a punch given the massive LS advantage Natsu has (Class T vs Class K).
The timeframe would be an issue if Natsu couldn't oneshot Asta, but he can so moot point.
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I see.
Erza is more skilled because? Asta has fought with, been taught by and learned by fighting all sorts of master swordsmen and has learned their moves, including a swordsman who was so unpredictable with his movements that asta couldn't read his ki, and was taught by fanzel who was basically the best swordsman in the kingdom. He was so skilled that even when stripped off all his powers, and with one arm, he was able to evade all of liebe's attacks and beat him with one sword. Natsu also cannot stop the black divider which basically negates cqc (which is natsu's only chance since everything else is nullified) because it's huge and has a huge range for a melee weapon.
Asta can outlast natsu via outranging him with black slashes and black divider.
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Argument is strong seems like Asta kinda has skill to compete with Natsu along with nullify him.
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Erza fought and defeated Cobra who could passively read her mind and had a significant speed and AP advantage against her, she also fought Ikaruga who is so precise with a blade that with a single sword swing was capable of slicing multiple high speed moving playing cards in half (Playing cards are about .17mm thick) and Erza can block her attacks despite being unable to see her movements.
Erza despite being so crippled with Pain from her fight with Kyoka and losing all of her senses was able to still fight, dodge, and defeat her. She also has enough skill to contend with her own danmaku being sent back at her, as well as fight with swords in both her hands and feet at the same time which she used to cut through hundreds of attacks from evergreen early on in the series.
As I said Natsu's LS advantage means he gonna knock a sword of that size away with ease, he could even jump and run on its edge like he did to Ikusa.
Asta almost never leads with ranged attacks an he certainty doesn't spam them in character. being only a couple dozen meters away mean a ranged game isn't viable given how fast both characters actually are.
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Liebe has no combat experience plus his swords was easy to dodge by using Ki.
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If both are comparable in skill that mean both have the ability to hit one another, Given that Natsu has oneshot levels of AP, he takes this.
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Asta is able to keep up with vetto who also has precognition + was much stronger and faster than him and asta defeated him with no arms and practically crippled by getting faster and stronger and just by letting his friends move his body. Asta also learned and should be comparable to an early series yami who could parry light speed attacks which were faster than him easily. This asta is able to keep up with a 4 armed 4 sword massive dante who could basically one shot him and was faster than him apong with yami and had an entire fight in a few seconds and was able to defeat him after throwing away almost all his swords.
Not after he gets tagged by it, asta can also control it's size at will, he could tag natsu, and if natsu grabs it, he gets instantly nulled completely and then asta shrinks it so thtlat natsu can't retaliate then rinse and repeat until natsu's DF which runs for less than 3 seconds (exaggeration more like 30 seconds) runs out. Given how he can tell natsu is stronger than him just by hitting him, he'll stay clear and focus on nulling all projectiles with his own and focus all his damage on natsu with the black divider.
This isn't a regular cqc, asta massively outranges natsu who can't use magic properly.
He still had complete control over all of the swords and was comparable in stats to asta, maybe even stronger, yet got completely skill stomped by an armless powerless man.
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Maybe they have some Hax
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The Swords were basically useless since they might as well be regular swords considering Asta has no magic. And Liebe only got one good hit in because Asta didn't have his guard up and didn't want to fight him yet. It's easy to skill stomp someone who has no skill.
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Also I don't think scaling Natsu's combat skill to Erza's is legitimate. They're both different types of combatants, Erza is a lot more analytical than Natsu and uses a different fighting style all together.
Not that it means much since if what I'm reading above is true then Natsu can one shot pretty easily even if Asta nulls his magic.
Not that it means much since if what I'm reading above is true then Natsu can one shot pretty easily even if Asta nulls his magic.
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btw I vote Natsu
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What's the conclusion here ?
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Nastu one shots even if his magic gets nulled
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Which asta can counter by outranging him with the black divider since natsu can only use cqc and then outlasting his already very short dragon force.
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He can nullify the source of the heat... but once the air is already heated up, negating the magic won't instantly cool it.
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Sero and I voted for Asta. Popted also changed his vote to asta
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The air being heated up is the effect of his Magic, Asta can revert those effects as if they never took place
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How long does it last?
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The nullification... also erases the history of magic?
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Every time natsu uses it, it lasts for a very short time. Like the fight with mard geer, I think natsu only pulled off like 3 attacks. And his foght with zeref, it was there for like a fraction of the fight, it barely gave natsu an advantage then it disappeared.
Yes it's causality manipulation, that is the demon dwellers power.
Heating takes time, it's not instantly 20000000000000000 C and asta has 4km distance advantage from natsu to react. And I recall the demon dweller just nulling magic effects literally by itself without asta actually doing it himself.
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Basically:
Cause -> Effect
Fire Magic -> Air heating up
Asta can negate effects so he would negate the air heating up
Can Natsu heat it up from that far in the first place? And is that in character for him to do so
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I don't think that's the way that works without proof.
Your logical proof is flawed anyways.
The air heating up is a secondary effect from the flames, which are caused by fire magic. The flames are the effect.
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It is how it works, it gets rid of magic effects, it being a secondary effect doesn't matter.
Intoxication is a secondary effect from the gas which is caused by a toxic liquid caused by poison magic, I didn't stop base Asta from negating all of the effects
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