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Low 6-B Bone Crusher Tournament 2022: Asta vs Natsu Dragneel (Semi-Final 1)

how would asta be able to reverse something when he nigh instantly dies from heat with far higher temp then he's ever encountered that's also 10x above his dura?
Heat depends on temperature and not AP, asta has a large distance between them to his advantage so he can grab the demon dweller and instantly reverse the heat.
 
Heat depends on temperature and not AP, asta has a large distance between them to his advantage so he can grab the demon dweller and instantly reverse the heat.
even if Asta does null the heat, it really doesn't matter because Natsu just punches him once and Asta dies
 
When has Zeref used precog before? I don't remember at all.
Zeref scales to or above Mavis's Analytical Prowess. Despite her insane precog and Info analysis, Zeref's invasion strategy countered her Precog to the point of Mavis not being able to find a single strategy to win.
 
Zeref scales to or above Mavis's Analytical Prowess. Despite her insane precog and Info analysis, Zeref's invasion strategy countered her Precog to the point of Mavis not being able to find a single strategy to win.
Ohh yeah Mavis. She's OP af
 
even if Asta does null the heat, it really doesn't matter because Natsu just punches him once and Asta dies
Nope. Asta has better range in cqc via having swords that grow, any range that natsu uses gets nulled and asta has precognition to avoid his moves. Natsu also lasts a very very short time in DF, once that runs out, it's curtains for natsu.
 
Nope. Asta has better range in cqc via having swords that grow, any range that natsu uses gets nulled and asta has precognition to avoid his moves. Natsu also lasts a very very short time in DF, once that runs out, it's curtains for natsu.
I've all ready explained why Asta's precog is borderline useless here

Asta's swords aren't an issue given he's fought Erza countless times who likely more skilled than asta in terms of swordsmanship. Natsu also could just knock asta's swords out of the way and close the gap for a punch given the massive LS advantage Natsu has (Class T vs Class K).

The timeframe would be an issue if Natsu couldn't oneshot Asta, but he can so moot point.
 
I've all ready explained why Asta's precog is borderline useless here

Asta's swords aren't an issue given he's fought Erza countless times who likely more skilled than asta in terms of swordsmanship. Natsu also could just knock asta's swords out of the way and close the gap for a punch given the massive LS advantage Natsu has (Class T vs Class K).

The timeframe would be an issue if Natsu couldn't oneshot Asta, but he can so moot point.
I see.
Erza is more skilled because? Asta has fought with, been taught by and learned by fighting all sorts of master swordsmen and has learned their moves, including a swordsman who was so unpredictable with his movements that asta couldn't read his ki, and was taught by fanzel who was basically the best swordsman in the kingdom. He was so skilled that even when stripped off all his powers, and with one arm, he was able to evade all of liebe's attacks and beat him with one sword. Natsu also cannot stop the black divider which basically negates cqc (which is natsu's only chance since everything else is nullified) because it's huge and has a huge range for a melee weapon.
Asta can outlast natsu via outranging him with black slashes and black divider.
 
Asta has fought with, been taught by and learned by fighting all sorts of master swordsmen and has learned their moves, including a swordsman who was so unpredictable with his movements that asta couldn't read his ki and was taught by fanzel who was basically the best swordsman in the kingdom.
Erza fought and defeated Cobra who could passively read her mind and had a significant speed and AP advantage against her, she also fought Ikaruga who is so precise with a blade that with a single sword swing was capable of slicing multiple high speed moving playing cards in half (Playing cards are about .17mm thick) and Erza can block her attacks despite being unable to see her movements.
He was so skilled that even when stripped off all his powers, and with one arm, he was able to evade all of liebe's attacks and beat him with one sword.
Erza despite being so crippled with Pain from her fight with Kyoka and losing all of her senses was able to still fight, dodge, and defeat her. She also has enough skill to contend with her own danmaku being sent back at her, as well as fight with swords in both her hands and feet at the same time which she used to cut through hundreds of attacks from evergreen early on in the series.
Natsu also cannot stop the black divider which basically negates cqc (which is natsu's only chance since everything else is nullified) because it's huge and has a huge range for a melee weapon.
As I said Natsu's LS advantage means he gonna knock a sword of that size away with ease, he could even jump and run on its edge like he did to Ikusa.
Asta can outlast natsu via outranging him with black slashes and black divider.
Asta almost never leads with ranged attacks an he certainty doesn't spam them in character. being only a couple dozen meters away mean a ranged game isn't viable given how fast both characters actually are.
 
I see.
Erza is more skilled because? Asta has fought with, been taught by and learned by fighting all sorts of master swordsmen and has learned their moves, including a swordsman who was so unpredictable with his movements that asta couldn't read his ki, and was taught by fanzel who was basically the best swordsman in the kingdom. He was so skilled that even when stripped off all his powers, and with one arm, he was able to evade all of liebe's attacks and beat him with one sword. Natsu also cannot stop the black divider which basically negates cqc (which is natsu's only chance since everything else is nullified) because it's huge and has a huge range for a melee weapon.
Asta can outlast natsu via outranging him with black slashes and black divider.
Liebe has no combat experience plus his swords was easy to dodge by using Ki.
 
Erza fought and defeated Cobra who could passively read her mind and had a significant speed and AP advantage against her, she also fought Ikaruga who is so precise with a blade that with a single sword swing was capable of slicing multiple high speed moving playing cards in half (Playing cards are about .17mm thick) and Erza can block her attacks despite being unable to see her movements.

Erza despite being so crippled with Pain from her fight with Kyoka and losing all of her senses was able to still fight, dodge, and defeat her. She also has enough skill to contend with her own danmaku being sent back at her, as well as fight with swords in both her hands and feet at the same time which she used to cut through hundreds of attacks from evergreen early on in the series.

As I said Natsu's LS advantage means he gonna knock a sword of that size away with ease, he could even jump and run on its edge like he did to Ikusa.

Asta almost never leads with ranged attacks an he certainty doesn't spam them in character. being only a couple dozen meters away mean a ranged game isn't viable given how fast both characters actually are.
Asta is able to keep up with vetto who also has precognition + was much stronger and faster than him and asta defeated him with no arms and practically crippled by getting faster and stronger and just by letting his friends move his body. Asta also learned and should be comparable to an early series yami who could parry light speed attacks which were faster than him easily. This asta is able to keep up with a 4 armed 4 sword massive dante who could basically one shot him and was faster than him apong with yami and had an entire fight in a few seconds and was able to defeat him after throwing away almost all his swords.
Not after he gets tagged by it, asta can also control it's size at will, he could tag natsu, and if natsu grabs it, he gets instantly nulled completely and then asta shrinks it so thtlat natsu can't retaliate then rinse and repeat until natsu's DF which runs for less than 3 seconds (exaggeration more like 30 seconds) runs out. Given how he can tell natsu is stronger than him just by hitting him, he'll stay clear and focus on nulling all projectiles with his own and focus all his damage on natsu with the black divider.
If both are comparable in skill that mean both have the ability to hit one another, Given that Natsu has oneshot levels of AP, he takes this.
This isn't a regular cqc, asta massively outranges natsu who can't use magic properly.
Liebe has no combat experience plus his swords was easy to dodge by using Ki.
He still had complete control over all of the swords and was comparable in stats to asta, maybe even stronger, yet got completely skill stomped by an armless powerless man.
 
He still had complete control over all of the swords and was comparable in stats to asta, maybe even stronger, yet got completely skill stomped by an armless powerless man.
The Swords were basically useless since they might as well be regular swords considering Asta has no magic. And Liebe only got one good hit in because Asta didn't have his guard up and didn't want to fight him yet. It's easy to skill stomp someone who has no skill.
 
Also I don't think scaling Natsu's combat skill to Erza's is legitimate. They're both different types of combatants, Erza is a lot more analytical than Natsu and uses a different fighting style all together.


Not that it means much since if what I'm reading above is true then Natsu can one shot pretty easily even if Asta nulls his magic.
 
Asta can use Demon-Destroyer to severe Causality and thus nullify effects. He should be able to do that to not be affected by the heat

Basically, Natsu heating the air is still the effect of Fire Magic and Asta can negate effects of Magic
He can nullify the source of the heat... but once the air is already heated up, negating the magic won't instantly cool it.
 
I still don't see how Asta doesn't just instantly die from the heat before he can really do anything.
 
Also, how can he null anything if he's dead almost instantly?
 
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How long does it last?
Every time natsu uses it, it lasts for a very short time. Like the fight with mard geer, I think natsu only pulled off like 3 attacks. And his foght with zeref, it was there for like a fraction of the fight, it barely gave natsu an advantage then it disappeared.
The nullification... also erases the history of magic?
Yes it's causality manipulation, that is the demon dwellers power.
Also, how can he null anything if he's dead almost instantly?
Heating takes time, it's not instantly 20000000000000000 C and asta has 4km distance advantage from natsu to react. And I recall the demon dweller just nulling magic effects literally by itself without asta actually doing it himself.
 
The nullification... also erases the history of magic?
?

Basically:

Cause -> Effect

Fire Magic -> Air heating up

Asta can negate effects so he would negate the air heating up


Can Natsu heat it up from that far in the first place? And is that in character for him to do so
 
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Basically:

Cause -> Effect

Fire Magic -> Air heating up

Asta can negate effects so he would negate the air heating up
I don't think that's the way that works without proof.
Your logical proof is flawed anyways.
The air heating up is a secondary effect from the flames, which are caused by fire magic. The flames are the effect.
 
I don't think that's the way that works without proof.
Your logical proof is flawed anyways.
The air heating up is a secondary effect from the flames, which are caused by fire magic. The flames are the effect.
It is how it works, it gets rid of magic effects, it being a secondary effect doesn't matter.

Intoxication is a secondary effect from the gas which is caused by a toxic liquid caused by poison magic, I didn't stop base Asta from negating all of the effects
 
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