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Low 6-B Bone Crusher Tournament 2022: Asta vs Natsu Dragneel (Semi-Final 1)

FluffyCreatureZ said:
Every time natsu uses it, it lasts for a very short time. Like the fight with mard geer, I think natsu only pulled off like 3 attacks. And his foght with zeref, it was there for like a fraction of the fight, it barely gave natsu an advantage then it disappeared.
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Those aren’t exactly fair examples since Natsu was fighting all day before he fought Mard, same thing with Zeref except he was doing it for the past two days.
Epsilon_R said:
Can Natsu heat it up from that far in the first place? And is that in character for him to do so
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Base Natsu powering up to FDKM vaporised all of Lake Scilliora (4km by 11km according to Mitch’s calc) and was done in ten or so seconds going by the anime without any actual flames involved. FDKM burns the landscape around Natsu for dozens of meters which would be way hotter than the 200 million C base Natsu scales to and then there is DF on top of all of this.

Voting Natsu since Asta goes crispy within seconds of the fight starting.
 
AnonymousBlank said:
Those aren’t exactly fair examples since Natsu was fighting all day before he fought Mard, same thing with Zeref except he was doing it for the past two days.

Base Natsu powering up to FDKM vaporised all of Lake Scilliora (4km by 11km according to Mitch’s calc) and was done in ten or so seconds going by the anime without any actual flames involved. FDKM burns the landscape around Natsu for dozens of meters which would be way hotter than the 200 million C base Natsu scales to and then there is DF on top of all of this.

Voting Natsu since Asta goes crispy within seconds of the fight starting.
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If it's not instantaneous, then Asta has enough time to undo the effects with Demon Destroyer
 
AnonymousBlank said:
Those aren’t exactly fair examples since Natsu was fighting all day before he fought Mard, same thing with Zeref except he was doing it for the past two days.

Base Natsu powering up to FDKM vaporised all of Lake Scilliora (4km by 11km according to Mitch’s calc) and was done in ten or so seconds going by the anime without any actual flames involved. FDKM burns the landscape around Natsu for dozens of meters which would be way hotter than the 200 million C base Natsu scales to and then there is DF on top of all of this.

Voting Natsu since Asta goes crispy within seconds of the fight starting.
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So what we're gonna say natsu can use DF for way longer than every single time he ever used it?
If natsu's flames reach that far to asta then asta can actually just passively null or reflect all the flames that reach him preventing him from heating anything up around him, which gives him more than enough time to pull out yhe demon dweller and reverse all the heating that natsu done to the areas asta couldn't reach before.
 
Seeing as he always uses it when he out of magic, yeah. A more accurate showing of DF stamina is Natsu vs Zero. Natsu fought for a day against multiple dark guilds, multiple OS members who are stronger than him and gets the remains of Jellal’s magic to fight Zero for a lot more than against Mard or Zeref (though against Zeref, Natsu purposefully drops out of DF and later uses it against Acno).

Uh ….. Natsu and Asta are kilometres apart. Natsu’s flames aren’t close to Asta at all. The heat will reach Asta within “10 seconds” (from the POV of relativistic people.
 
AnonymousBlank said:
Seeing as he always uses it when he out of magic, yeah. A more accurate showing of DF stamina is Natsu vs Zero. Natsu fought for a day against multiple dark guilds, multiple OS members who are stronger than him and gets the remains of Jellal’s magic to fight Zero for a lot more than against Mard or Zeref (though against Zeref, Natsu purposefully drops out of DF and later uses it against Acno).

Uh ….. Natsu and Asta are kilometres apart. Natsu’s flames aren’t close to Asta at all. The heat will reach Asta within “10 seconds” (from the POV of relativistic people.
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Well how long did it it last longest?
So you're saying asta can heat that entire area without spreading his fire across it? If so then asta can still react since heat energy transfer is not instant and asta can feel it getting hotter due to natsu's magic, so asta can reverse it, or the demon dweller can do it by itself.
 
Considering the fight takes place in the giant Forrests everything surrounding the arena would immediately burn if it takes more than 10 seconds noticing the surrounding Asta would have to use his reaction time quick noticing the environment getting burned.
 
FluffyCreatureZ said:
Well how long did it it last longest?
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Longest timeframe we canonically get is 5 minutes from both Natsu vs Zero (Natsu gets DF before it cuts over to Lucy and an info box says 5 minutes until Nirvana fires and they all break the Lacrima at the last second) and Wendy vs Ezel (Ezel states it is 5 minutes until Face goes off and Wendy activates DF seconds after this and keeps going until the last maybe half minute before Face counts down).
FluffyCreatureZ said:
So you're saying asta can heat that entire area without spreading his fire across it? If so then asta can still react since heat energy transfer is not instant and asta can feel it getting hotter due to natsu's magic, so asta can reverse it, or the demon dweller can do it by itself.
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I dunno about Asta having high temps but Natsu can lol. It’s literally what he does against Jacob when he vapes the lake, he didn’t even make any flames yet and the lake was gone.
DemonicDude said:
Considering the fight takes place in the giant Forrests everything surrounding the arena would immediately burn if it takes more than 10 seconds noticing the surrounding Asta would have to use his reaction time quick noticing the environment getting burned.
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His control is enough to not burn things despite the high temperature such as when he melts the Domus Flau and everyone’s clothes in there but doesn’t harm the people, and vapes Lake Scilliora while burning Jacob and his clothes but not burning everyone in the guildhall even though it was caught in the range of his heat aura. Trees won’t be burning unless Natsu wants them to and he never does this at all.
Bernkastelll said:
10 seconds to FTL characters? Kek


Asta has enough time to react to it
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I think you misunderstood. It’s “10 seconds” to us (because the peanut gallery has to commentate) if the characters were as fast as normal humans. Based on the speed ratings, it would be occurring in micro to nanoseconds.
 
AnonymousBlank said:
Longest timeframe we canonically get is 5 minutes from both Natsu vs Zero (Natsu gets DF before it cuts over to Lucy and an info box says 5 minutes until Nirvana fires and they all break the Lacrima at the last second) and Wendy vs Ezel (Ezel states it is 5 minutes until Face goes off and Wendy activates DF seconds after this and keeps going until the last maybe half minute before Face counts down).

I dunno about Asta having high temps but Natsu can lol. It’s literally what he does against Jacob when he vapes the lake, he didn’t even make any flames yet and the lake was gone.

His control is enough to not burn things despite the high temperature such as when he melts the Domus Flau and everyone’s clothes in there but doesn’t harm the people, and vapes Lake Scilliora while burning Jacob and his clothes but not burning everyone in the guildhall even though it was caught in the range of his heat aura. Trees won’t be burning unless Natsu wants them to and he never does this at all.

I think you misunderstood. It’s “10 seconds” to us (because the peanut gallery has to commentate) if the characters were as fast as normal humans. Based on the speed ratings, it would be occurring in micro to nanoseconds.
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Typo. Okay.
He was melting the clothes of the people in the Colosseum and the Colosseum itself too when he returned in the grand magic games, I'm pretty sure him not burning people or his friends and stuff is PIS because of that example, and because this heat aura thing is supposed to take effect everytime he uses his powers yet it never causes any major damage to his surroundings like it should.
 
It’s really not when he is specifically shown to burn a ton of stuff in the environment and people that he is fighting l, which gets pointed out by other characters multiple times. Everyone not getting burned is a control feat as it’s always people he isn’t fighting that it never affects. Natsu having far superior control, particularly over large distances is kind of a thing Hiro decides to point out when Natsu snipes some bandits at the horizon before the Avatar arc by having the stream of fire do loop de loops to KO em.

We also know that he has been able to purposefully not burn stuff with his flames themselves when he makes them tangible to pull himself out of the canyon vs Erigor at the start of FT while his body heat at the time would melt steel if it stays in contact with him for a few seconds yet the steel and wood of the train tracks don’t burn, melt etc.
 
AnonymousBlank said:
It’s really not when he is specifically shown to burn a ton of stuff in the environment and people that he is fighting l, which gets pointed out by other characters multiple times. Everyone not getting burned is a control feat as it’s always people he isn’t fighting that it never affects. Natsu having far superior control, particularly over large distances is kind of a thing Hiro decides to point out when Natsu snipes some bandits at the horizon before the Avatar arc by having the stream of fire do loop de loops to KO em.

We also know that he has been able to purposefully not burn stuff with his flames themselves when he makes them tangible to pull himself out of the canyon vs Erigor at the start of FT while his body heat at the time would melt steel if it stays in contact with him for a few seconds yet the steel and wood of the train tracks don’t burn, melt etc.
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Hm, I don't know anymore. If asta cannot see the heat until it hits him, then he will lose if he cannot pull out the demon dweller in time. I believe he can because heat transfer takes time to actually happen, it doesn't just go up to 200 million instantly, and the other thing is asta's demon dweller can kind of null things on it's own without asta doing anything so that might work.
 
If enough people agrees with Incon, Then there's going to be a google coin toss that I'll do with both of their faces on the Coin as images.
 
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