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Yuki Tsukumo (JJK): High 3A

Her cursed technique is mass, when geto got hit by "mass", he states that if the density of bom ba ye had no limit it can create a black hole.
Before the fight starts, Geto states that the mass exposed by yuki was so overwhelming to a point that its concept couldn't be contained semantically or pragmatically.
What the author means by semantically and pragmatically, is that the virtual mass in both fields is undefinable
Semantically means that it cannot be conceptualized by words.
Pragmatically essentially is a way of thinking in numerical values/terms/definitions meaning that being undefined pragmatically refers to something that in a numerical way its undefinable.
 
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Catpija said:
This is 5-A

This is unscaleable in tiering system, and would just be resistance to conceptual hax
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this is not 5-A cause it's stated that there's no limit to the mass she can add to a time that time collapse
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being undefeanable in a conceptual in this case can be thought as being beyond a finite quantity of energy
 
That infinite energy needs to be expended in one shot, not accumulated over time.

Case in point, Helios. At least, he was that until he and everyone else in GoW became 2-C.
 
KLOL506 said:
That infinite energy needs to be expended in one shot, not accumulated over time.

Case in point, Helios. At least, he was that until he and everyone else in GoW became 2-C.
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Excel616 said:
Iirc, There was a thread made about infinite power and statements. Unless you can give out infinite energy or power in one go then it can be given as High 3-A
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her punch are pragmatically and conceptually indefinable in a sense that there is too much mass:
"such overwhelming mass to a point that it's concept couldn't be contained"
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she can add an infinite amount of energy on her black hole.
so we can conclude that she can use her infinite amount of energy
 
Jirachi_the_real_93 said:
this is not 5-A cause it's stated that there's no limit to the mass she can add to a time that time collapse
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That seems to be NLF to assume that she can manipulate her own density to have infinite mass, when her best feat is the mass of a black hole.

Jirachi_the_real_93 said:
geto tanked her + characters like gojo, sukuna and if you accept rika having infinite energy yuta is H3A too
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Tanked, how? Kenjaku was about to get absolutely destroyed before he decided to use Anti-Gravity CT to undo the black hole's effect on him
 
Catpija said:
Tanked, how?
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1st scan, 2nd scan this scans prove that he tanked an hit from her
Catpija said:
"That seems to be NLF to assume that she can manipulate her own density to have infinite mass, when her best feat is the mass of a black hole."
"She doesn't add infinite amount of energy"
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1st scan, 2nd scan, 3rd scan, 4th scan
ok so first of all she can verbatim add an infinite amount of mass to a point that even time collapse, and the world still exist due to the help of her will and the tengen's barrier
second her mass is so overwhelming to a point that you can't describe it, and being unquantifiable by semantic or pramatic is a proof for infinite mass, via infinity is something that you can't really comprehend or describe with word, proof of this is that kenjaku doesn't have the ability to fully understand infinity.
so we can say that she use an infinite amount of energy or even above this like a 4d energy.
beyond this you should also count the fact that there are other characters with infinite amount of evergy like rika or Gojo and about Gojo both him and Yuki use a similar type of energy
1st scan, 2nd scan her power is litterally the power to manipulate the mass and she broke the barrier with her power (this is an other proof for her tier due to the fact that you can't "trap" her with a simple finite definition)
Catpija said:
Kenjaku was about to get absolutely destroyed before he decided to use Anti-Gravity CT to undo the black hole's effect on him
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well yeah i was wrong kenjaku isn't relative to her and he only use an anti-gravity system
so you can actually say that he only has gravity manip resistence
 
I plan on revising stuff soon, working with some folks now. But Yuki wouldn't scale to its creation since she is just creating a chain reaction by adding her concept hax to the max.

She did resist the blackhole for sometime though as Geto notes that it was a combination of her willpower to contain the blast and Tengen's barriers that saved it from wiping the planet.
 
Dr._whiteee said:
I plan on revising stuff soon, working with some folks now. But Yuki wouldn't scale to its creation since she is just creating a chain reaction by adding her concept hax to the max.

She did resist the blackhole for sometime though as Geto notes that it was a combination of her willpower to contain the blast and Tengen's barriers that saved it from wiping the planet.
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ok so first of all she can verbatim add an infinite amount of mass to a point that even time collapse, and the world still exist due to the help of her will and the tengen's barrier
second her mass is so overwhelming to a point that you can't describe it, and being unquantifiable by semantic or pramatic is a proof for infinite mass, via infinity is something that you can't really comprehend or describe with word, proof of this is that kenjaku doesn't have the ability to fully understand infinity.
so we can say that she use an infinite amount of energy or even above this like a 4d energy.
beyond this you should also count the fact that there are other characters with infinite amount of evergy like rika or Gojo and about Gojo both him and Yuki use a similar type of energy
(the scan are in the answer just above)
 
Jirachi_the_real_93 said:
ok so first of all she can verbatim add an infinite amount of mass to a point that even time collapse, and the world still exist due to the help of her will and the tengen's barrier
second her mass is so overwhelming to a point that you can't describe it, and being unquantifiable by semantic or pramatic is a proof for infinite mass, via infinity is something that you can't really comprehend or describe with word, proof of this is that kenjaku doesn't have the ability to fully understand infinity.
so we can say that she use an infinite amount of energy or even above this like a 4d energy.
beyond this you should also count the fact that there are other characters with infinite amount of evergy like rika or Gojo and about Gojo both him and Yuki use a similar type of energy
(the scan are in the answer just above)
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She accomplishes her mass stuff with concept hax. So it doesn't scale to her outright. The same way, Gojo doesn't scale to Low 2-C for his conceptual infinite space.

The second thing is just hax resistance.

Yuta doesn't have infinite cursed energy; he just has a lot. In the same way Jeff Bezos has a lot of money but it's not infinite. Sukuna even has 2x his pool at minimum.

Gojo doesn't have an infinite pool of cursed energy. His refresh rate is just faster than his usage rate which makes his total cursed energy usage infinitesimal. We've seen from the past couple of chapters that he clearly doesn't have infinite energy.
 
Arkenis said:
No feats.
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mass is so overwhelming to a point that you can't describe it, and being unquantifiable by semantic or pramatic is a proof for infinite mass, via infinity is something that you can't really comprehend or describe with word, proof of this is that kenjaku doesn't have the ability to fully understand infinity.
she has created a black hole
 
Dr._whiteee said:
She accomplishes her mass stuff with concept hax. So it doesn't scale to her outright. The same way, Gojo doesn't scale to Low 2-C for his conceptual infinite space.
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Gojo stated that all domains are created with the cursed energy
Dr._whiteee said:
The second thing is just hax resistance.
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What do you mean?
Dr._whiteee said:
Gojo doesn't have an infinite pool of cursed energy. His refresh rate is just faster than his usage rate which makes his total cursed energy usage infinitesimal. We've seen from the past couple of chapters that he clearly doesn't have infinite energy.
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the first scan and this scan (from the last chapter) both proves that Gojo has infinite energy
Dr._whiteee said:
Yuta doesn't have infinite cursed energy; he just has a lot. In the same way Jeff Bezos has a lot of money but it's not infinite. Sukuna even has 2x his pool at minimum.
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it's stated many times that Rika has infinite energy
 
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Yuki says that she can add mass to herself (without affecting her speed) up to a certain point. That point is her density becoming so high she turns herself into a black hole, which is a self-destruction attack. So she can't literally add an infinite amount of mass to herself without getting herself killed first.

If Yuki haven't turned into a black hole, the virtual mass added is finite for sure. Also, even if there were no black hole limitation, having the potential to do something doesn't mean the character can realistically reach it; for example her finite amount of Cursed Energy reserve and output can hold her back.

Kenjaku being unable to conceptually contain a large amount of mass sounds like a limitation for him. It isn't like Yuki is doing a direct conceptual attack; she is increasing her mass and Kenjaku's conceptual defense (via. summoned Cursed Spirit with a conceptual defense ability) is too weak to handle that amount of mass.
 
Jirachi_the_real_93 said:
tf? she litterally create her mass with her cursed energy
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She creates “virtual mass” which has causal effects (increasing her power, increasing her density, etc) on par with the mass she is adding but Kenjaku notes it doesn’t actually add that mass which is why her durability doesn’t also increase.
 
Jirachi_the_real_93 said:
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1099216890884280362/1120129430510117035/image.png the first scan and this scan (from the last chapter) both proves that Gojo has infinite energy
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This is a reference to Yuta's previous explanation; Yuta has a larger amount of Cursed Energy than Gojo, but Gojo is just super-efficient in using his Cursed Energy that he almost doesn't lose any of it when activating techniques. In turn, Sukuna has a greater amount of Cursed Energy than either Yuta or Gojo.

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