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Yhwach vs obscure Digimon 2
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Nihilus speaks and wins, Gargoyle.
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Based upon the description, it requires an actual physical wound. Something Grave Scream will not leave.
The Balance (õ©ûÚûôÞ¬┐ÕÆî (ÒéÂÒâ╗ÒâÉÒâ®Òâ│Òé╣), Za Baransu; Japanese for "World Harmony"): Haschwalth can take the misfortune that occurs within his sphere of influence and disperse it to those that have experienced good fortune, which he believes maintains balance in the world. All the "misfortune" that would occur to him personally is redirected into his Freund Schild; consequently, all "good fortune" that an opponent experiences in inflicting wounds upon him will be wreaked back upon them in equal magnitude as "misfortune", and the "misfortune" that he experiences merely gets deflected and absorbed into his Freund Schild, causing his opponent to experience even more "misfortune".
The Balance (õ©ûÚûôÞ¬┐ÕÆî (ÒéÂÒâ╗ÒâÉÒâ®Òâ│Òé╣), Za Baransu; Japanese for "World Harmony"): Haschwalth can take the misfortune that occurs within his sphere of influence and disperse it to those that have experienced good fortune, which he believes maintains balance in the world. All the "misfortune" that would occur to him personally is redirected into his Freund Schild; consequently, all "good fortune" that an opponent experiences in inflicting wounds upon him will be wreaked back upon them in equal magnitude as "misfortune", and the "misfortune" that he experiences merely gets deflected and absorbed into his Freund Schild, causing his opponent to experience even more "misfortune".
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Sure but that likely a reference to the Uryu battle,some ability descriptions were copy and pasted from the Bleach wiki.
He just states all "misfortune" and I think a soul rip would qualify as misfortune in his sphere of influence.
It also works for himself tipping the balance in his favor.
He just states all "misfortune" and I think a soul rip would qualify as misfortune in his sphere of influence.
It also works for himself tipping the balance in his favor.
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Based upon this, it isn't 100% as abilities can still be used. Tipping the scales seemingly takes time and not always 100%. Also if his soul is already ripped out, how is he going to reflect it? That and the fact that Grave Scream won't affect MetalPhantomon and will continue to emit. It doesn't just target one person. It's an omnidirectional thing that rips out the souls of anything within range. Like I said, MetalPhantomon doesn't even have to know Yhwach exist to steal his soul. Nor does he have to specifically target him.
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The Balance doesn't take time and is usually 100%. The reversing wounds is from Jugram's shield, something that Yhwach doesn't have. He only has the Balance, not the shield.
Also Yhwach picks a future where people stop spamming him. ovo
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Also Yhwach picks a future where people stop spamming him. ovo
Oh wait that's impossible -
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Has he reflected something like Grave Scream before and how did that guy be defeated?
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The Balance doesn't only reflect things, it can reflect things but that's not all it does. The ability still confuses me to an extent but it's literally just Probability Manipulation. And Jugram got zucced by Yhwach and got his powers stolen. I'll look into the ability more in the light novels in a bit for you.
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So the question is whether it will save him from the passive and continuous Grave Scream.
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He was defeated by Yhwach Auswhalen technique.
Auswhalen: Upon Yhwach's activation of this ability, his targets are engulfed in massive columns of light. Even being near the columns of light is enough to strip a Quincy of their power. It absorbs energy from those Quincy judged to be unnecessary and sends it to those who need it in a redistribution of power. Those taken from will perish, while those on the receiving end are revitalized with greater strength than they possessed before.
Nothing he could have done since he was stripped of his powers and would eventually die due to technique.
Also Jugram was never actually physically hit,Uryu used his Antithesis to reverse the damage between himself and Jugram,but this was useless against the The Balance since it absorbs all misforune.
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It is still physical damage. Meanwhile, MetalPhantomon's attack is neither physical nor tangible. It doesn't attack the body, but Yhwakawaka's soul and configuration data.
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> Configuration Data
Yhwach.exe has stopped working.
Yhwach.exe has stopped working.
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Yes, damage is an effect. Antithesis is the cause. The damage was still physical like I said.
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Basically.Knightofannihilation666 said:
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Ummm...no it really isn't.
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Those images werejust showing what Grave Scream "looked" like. Getting one's soul ripped out doesn't require any physical damage.Frantzy12 said:
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Is his area of influence 4km? Also, even with the OP's consent do we assume that all of the abilities are active? Or that he's just willing to use them. Also we should just assume that this skill will just make it so that Grave Scream will never land as there is still a high chance that is will. Even with Digimon's own Miracle Creation, while it causes coincidences to occur, we don't assume that it will just null away everything. Probability Manipulation is already a very iffy power to begin with.
Basically, this blow away misfortune has to have a limit. Otherwise this goes back to the Null all crap again.
Basically, this blow away misfortune has to have a limit. Otherwise this goes back to the Null all crap again.
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This is what the OP said.PaChi2 said:
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No he's talking about the fact that he has to consciously activate the abilities. He said that if Yhwach is put to sleep, he cannot activate. ThAT would mean the same with the soul rip.
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Well Jugram only has this for range,which I assume is his area of influence.
Extended melee range with his sword, several dozen meters with projectiles
Yhwach on the other hand has this.
Extended melee range normally. Hundreds of kilometers with projectiles. | Planetary after absorbing the Soul King (His influence can affect all three realms in the series)
Extended melee range with his sword, several dozen meters with projectiles
Yhwach on the other hand has this.
Extended melee range normally. Hundreds of kilometers with projectiles. | Planetary after absorbing the Soul King (His influence can affect all three realms in the series)
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Yeah, I deleted the comment because I read the range section and saw "influence". So yeah.
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Yhw(AC)h.exe has stopped working is what will happen.
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I wanted to add my two cents.
Sounds like a NLF. Can it also bypass reishi/blood shields? I need prove before continuing.
- Yhwach is the King of All Souls in the Bleachverse, the whole afterlife is made of reishi which is what souls and matter are made of in the none physical world. In a nutshell, Yhwach himself is a soul.
- Yhwach power null allowed him to negate a power that erases names, stats, abilites and memories once it activated. Yhwach got all of that back even do his power null if supposed to be included in his powers or ability category. The Almighty negate it all.
Sounds like a NLF. Can it also bypass reishi/blood shields? I need prove before continuing.
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"Yhwach is the King of All Souls in the Bleachverse, the whole afterlife is made of reishi which is what souls and matter are made of in the none physical world. In a nutshell, Yhwach himself is a soul."
Yes, and as I posted above, he is still nothing but data to a Digimon as souls are just another bit of 1s and 0s to a Digimon.
"EVERYTHING is formed from Binary Code 0s and 1s, or codes that are derived from binary. The whole constitution of a Digicore is literally a Program of 0s and 1s that constitutes the body that we know as a Digimon. Physical body, souls, minds, etc. are just data arrangements that fulfill a Digicore Programming.
The Physical Body we see of a Digimon is its protective barrier, it is an arrangement of 0s and 1s that protects the Digicore from being hit directly. In other words, it is a barrier of 0s and 1s that protects the Main Essence.
Think of a computer. In it there are several programs can have different extensions like .exe, .rar, .zip, .torrent, etc. Even though they all have different compositions and arrangements, they are all only 0s and 1s.
Even though they all have different compositions and arrangements, they are all only 0s and 1s. So unless a program has a standard Delete protection (like Protected Programs for Administrators) no matter the extension or schedule of it, it will be deleted. Matter, souls, minds, time, etc. are all only 0s and 1s. Data that performs different functions depending on the Digicore programming.
The problem of trying to analyze Digimon like any other work is to try to equate Data with a composition of the Real World, since it is not that. Data is a universal composition, it can be anything depending on their programming.
It does not have data with composition equal to matter or mind or soul, etc. Data are a universal thing, they make up everything that can exist (That is why the Real World is part of the Digital World, not the opposite because the universal contains the particular and not the particular contains the universal).
When something from the Real World is transformed into Data, depending of course on the programming that they are following, the result is simply data. When Takumi had his Mind detached from his physical body the composition of the Takumi Digital Body interacted like any kind of data and not only with Mind Data.
For the Real World there is a clear division. Mind, body and soul are different things in the Real World, their compositions are completely different. In the Digital World, all of them are just Data.
The reason the Digimon affects the mind of humans in Cyber Sleuth is not because a specific Digimon group has this power, but rather because the Digimon are naturally beings of 0s and 1s and can affect Mind Data because Mind Data is just another type of Data.
For the Digimon there really is no difference to them. There is Wireframe that protects Digicore. While Wireframe is not destroyed, Digicore can not be affected unless a Digimon has the power to bypass Wireframe. This is equivalent to the Firewall of a Digimon, it protects Digicore from being affected directly.
A human on the other hand changes from set of particular constitutions to a single universal constitution. In Digimon Story Cyber Sleuth Humans usually just send their Souls and Minds to the Network to create a Digital Body. If this digital body is destroyed then the Physical Body that is left will lose its Soul and Mind. The Digimon interacted directly with the EDEN Avatars, even though they were only bodies that the Mind Data took shape.
As Mind Data is just Data then a Hacker could control this data and thus influence their actual bodies. For this there was the Firewall, it protected the Humans from having their data affected in a free way by a hacker.
What a Digimon does is simply break the Firewall. By doing this a hacker can freely affect the data that was previously protected. And likewise the Digimo can freely affect the actual Data of a Human Being, because the barrier that left those 0s and 1s protected from outside influence was destroyed.
"But Firewall is something physical"
This is literally proof that the correct Digimon analysis is still not being done. The idea of "Physical" in Digimon can not be used to say that something is not the mind or the soul of something. Hisyaryumon has in his hands the souls of Kinryü (Golden Dragon) and Kakuryü (Horned Dragon) and even so they are things as if they were physical objects, he even uses as balls to throw at the opponents. The Four Holy Beast have their 12 Digicores around and they are physical, Gennai even held one in the hand at Zero Two. Digimon like Skull Satamon, Skull Mammon and Candmon all have their Digimon exposed, and are totally physical. Heck, Gravimon could regenerate itself as long as its Digicore still existed. Taiki took the Digicore from Gravimon with his hands.
But that is not because Digicore does not contain the soul, it contains as well as everything that exists from a Digimon within its schedule. It turns out that the Digicore is still only 0s and 1s, and unless a Digimon has the natural ability not to be touched normally by any conventional Date then it will be affected.
And humans face the same thing against a Digimon or any naturally Digital being. As shown in Digimon Universe Appli Monsters if Humans are destroyed in the form of Data, then all their natural existence will also be destroyed (And this is said by a work that specified that everything is transformed into data, even the soul or the mind).
And that goes even outside of the Digital World. Beings like Vamdemon or Wizardmon use Magic (That's a high-level programming language, then not really something magical) in humans even with them in the Real World and even then they are affected. Vegimon was in EDEN and still managed to control humans who were in the Real World while controlling their Mental Data.
The reason why Digimon has shown to be able to control or destroy minds and souls of humans is not because they have this specific ability, but because all this to the Digimon is just another type of Data and Data interact with Data in the same way as any other type of Data unless it has protection. Heck, Pete was the soul of an animal that was caught by a Digital Wave and transformed into a Wanyamon that was touched by any other Data being within history. And we have the example of Mirei who was a Human who was sucked into a black hole created during Project Vitium, her body was destroyed, but now she exists as a data ghost within the Digital Realms and she is tangible to any Digital being. Obviously it would not be if she returned to her Physical World composition. (That's why she can not leave places like the Digital World, at least under normal conditions. The strange events in Digimon Story Cyber Sleuth that were allowing the coming of Data beings to the Real World made it possible for her to go to the Real World).
Wanting to separate different types of Data and place divisions like those in the Real World does not make sense because the Digital World is not the Real World, the Digital World is a world that transcends the Real World and everything in the Real World is actually a part of the composition of the Digital World (This still fits into the explanation of the Digital World being the equivalent of the World of Ideas).
Data is something universal (Everything is reduced to Data). Souls, matter, mind, and anything else in the Physical World are just particular things. Something Particular only affects something Particular (Physical Matter affects Physical Matter), but something Universal (Data) affect something Universal (Data).
In fact, in Digimon there are Digimon that would be like something equivalent to something of the Real World (For example MoonMille and Death-X-Mon that are for the Digimon what something Imaterial is for the Physical World), but these are examples of isolated cases within the franchise.
Based mainly on what the latest information on Digimon has come about (as in Xros Wars, Digimon Story Cyber Sleuth, Appli Monsters, Re: Digitize or Next 0rder) the structure of what is currently the Digital World and the Data is much more complete and than in the past. Obviously you will not be able to find many of these things in older works within the franchise, this is information that was developed just now."
We also have a detail blog on this as well, along with many other blogs explaining Digimon mechanics and feats in detail. I also decided to move that comment over here as it is more relevant than above.
https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/U...Franchise:_Data,_this_subject_is_not_over_yet
"Evidence for MetalPhantomon soul ripping a soul without a physical body?"
These entries are actual documented feats by researchers of the Digital World. We even have a rule regarding this.
"Yhwach power null allowed him to negate a power that erases names, stats, abilites and memories once it activated. Yhwach got all of that back even do his power null if supposed to be included in his powers or ability category. The Almighty negate it all."
That has nothing to do with anything. We've already discussed Power Null above.
"Sounds like a NLF. Can it also bypass reishi/blood shields? I need prove before continuing."
No, this is basic durability negation and soul reaping. Nothing new. Nowhere near NLF either.
Yes, and as I posted above, he is still nothing but data to a Digimon as souls are just another bit of 1s and 0s to a Digimon.
| The grim reaper of the Digital World, it harvests configuration data in place of souls! |
The Physical Body we see of a Digimon is its protective barrier, it is an arrangement of 0s and 1s that protects the Digicore from being hit directly. In other words, it is a barrier of 0s and 1s that protects the Main Essence.
Think of a computer. In it there are several programs can have different extensions like .exe, .rar, .zip, .torrent, etc. Even though they all have different compositions and arrangements, they are all only 0s and 1s.
Even though they all have different compositions and arrangements, they are all only 0s and 1s. So unless a program has a standard Delete protection (like Protected Programs for Administrators) no matter the extension or schedule of it, it will be deleted. Matter, souls, minds, time, etc. are all only 0s and 1s. Data that performs different functions depending on the Digicore programming.
The problem of trying to analyze Digimon like any other work is to try to equate Data with a composition of the Real World, since it is not that. Data is a universal composition, it can be anything depending on their programming.
It does not have data with composition equal to matter or mind or soul, etc. Data are a universal thing, they make up everything that can exist (That is why the Real World is part of the Digital World, not the opposite because the universal contains the particular and not the particular contains the universal).
When something from the Real World is transformed into Data, depending of course on the programming that they are following, the result is simply data. When Takumi had his Mind detached from his physical body the composition of the Takumi Digital Body interacted like any kind of data and not only with Mind Data.
For the Real World there is a clear division. Mind, body and soul are different things in the Real World, their compositions are completely different. In the Digital World, all of them are just Data.
The reason the Digimon affects the mind of humans in Cyber Sleuth is not because a specific Digimon group has this power, but rather because the Digimon are naturally beings of 0s and 1s and can affect Mind Data because Mind Data is just another type of Data.
For the Digimon there really is no difference to them. There is Wireframe that protects Digicore. While Wireframe is not destroyed, Digicore can not be affected unless a Digimon has the power to bypass Wireframe. This is equivalent to the Firewall of a Digimon, it protects Digicore from being affected directly.
A human on the other hand changes from set of particular constitutions to a single universal constitution. In Digimon Story Cyber Sleuth Humans usually just send their Souls and Minds to the Network to create a Digital Body. If this digital body is destroyed then the Physical Body that is left will lose its Soul and Mind. The Digimon interacted directly with the EDEN Avatars, even though they were only bodies that the Mind Data took shape.
As Mind Data is just Data then a Hacker could control this data and thus influence their actual bodies. For this there was the Firewall, it protected the Humans from having their data affected in a free way by a hacker.
What a Digimon does is simply break the Firewall. By doing this a hacker can freely affect the data that was previously protected. And likewise the Digimo can freely affect the actual Data of a Human Being, because the barrier that left those 0s and 1s protected from outside influence was destroyed.
"But Firewall is something physical"
This is literally proof that the correct Digimon analysis is still not being done. The idea of "Physical" in Digimon can not be used to say that something is not the mind or the soul of something. Hisyaryumon has in his hands the souls of Kinryü (Golden Dragon) and Kakuryü (Horned Dragon) and even so they are things as if they were physical objects, he even uses as balls to throw at the opponents. The Four Holy Beast have their 12 Digicores around and they are physical, Gennai even held one in the hand at Zero Two. Digimon like Skull Satamon, Skull Mammon and Candmon all have their Digimon exposed, and are totally physical. Heck, Gravimon could regenerate itself as long as its Digicore still existed. Taiki took the Digicore from Gravimon with his hands.
But that is not because Digicore does not contain the soul, it contains as well as everything that exists from a Digimon within its schedule. It turns out that the Digicore is still only 0s and 1s, and unless a Digimon has the natural ability not to be touched normally by any conventional Date then it will be affected.
And humans face the same thing against a Digimon or any naturally Digital being. As shown in Digimon Universe Appli Monsters if Humans are destroyed in the form of Data, then all their natural existence will also be destroyed (And this is said by a work that specified that everything is transformed into data, even the soul or the mind).
And that goes even outside of the Digital World. Beings like Vamdemon or Wizardmon use Magic (That's a high-level programming language, then not really something magical) in humans even with them in the Real World and even then they are affected. Vegimon was in EDEN and still managed to control humans who were in the Real World while controlling their Mental Data.
The reason why Digimon has shown to be able to control or destroy minds and souls of humans is not because they have this specific ability, but because all this to the Digimon is just another type of Data and Data interact with Data in the same way as any other type of Data unless it has protection. Heck, Pete was the soul of an animal that was caught by a Digital Wave and transformed into a Wanyamon that was touched by any other Data being within history. And we have the example of Mirei who was a Human who was sucked into a black hole created during Project Vitium, her body was destroyed, but now she exists as a data ghost within the Digital Realms and she is tangible to any Digital being. Obviously it would not be if she returned to her Physical World composition. (That's why she can not leave places like the Digital World, at least under normal conditions. The strange events in Digimon Story Cyber Sleuth that were allowing the coming of Data beings to the Real World made it possible for her to go to the Real World).
Wanting to separate different types of Data and place divisions like those in the Real World does not make sense because the Digital World is not the Real World, the Digital World is a world that transcends the Real World and everything in the Real World is actually a part of the composition of the Digital World (This still fits into the explanation of the Digital World being the equivalent of the World of Ideas).
Data is something universal (Everything is reduced to Data). Souls, matter, mind, and anything else in the Physical World are just particular things. Something Particular only affects something Particular (Physical Matter affects Physical Matter), but something Universal (Data) affect something Universal (Data).
In fact, in Digimon there are Digimon that would be like something equivalent to something of the Real World (For example MoonMille and Death-X-Mon that are for the Digimon what something Imaterial is for the Physical World), but these are examples of isolated cases within the franchise.
Based mainly on what the latest information on Digimon has come about (as in Xros Wars, Digimon Story Cyber Sleuth, Appli Monsters, Re: Digitize or Next 0rder) the structure of what is currently the Digital World and the Data is much more complete and than in the past. Obviously you will not be able to find many of these things in older works within the franchise, this is information that was developed just now."
We also have a detail blog on this as well, along with many other blogs explaining Digimon mechanics and feats in detail. I also decided to move that comment over here as it is more relevant than above.
https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/U...Franchise:_Data,_this_subject_is_not_over_yet
"Evidence for MetalPhantomon soul ripping a soul without a physical body?"
| A Cyborg Digimon that fully mechanized the body of the Reaper-like Fantomon. It operates using an energy supply from another dimension's Digital World, and it is even said that its strings are being pulled by someone. Its energy emission-shaped sickle gives off a "Grave Scream", a strange, eerie sound, then reaps souls directly, regardless of any kind of armor or shields. | ||
"Yhwach power null allowed him to negate a power that erases names, stats, abilites and memories once it activated. Yhwach got all of that back even do his power null if supposed to be included in his powers or ability category. The Almighty negate it all."
That has nothing to do with anything. We've already discussed Power Null above.
"Sounds like a NLF. Can it also bypass reishi/blood shields? I need prove before continuing."
No, this is basic durability negation and soul reaping. Nothing new. Nowhere near NLF either.
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Sorry, but I am not reading all of that.
> Just copy paste where it says that he can rip souls from souls, or at least a soul without a body.
> His power null this guys powers: https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Ichibē_Hyōsube
^ After he erased all of Yhwach's powers, stats, memories and physical AP, DC, Speed and durability from existence and rewrote them all. But Yhwach negated all of that.
> Is a NLF because it says that he can bypass ANY TYPE of armor or barrier.
You didn't answered. Proof for him bypassing reishi/blood?
> Just copy paste where it says that he can rip souls from souls, or at least a soul without a body.
> His power null this guys powers: https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Ichibē_Hyōsube
^ After he erased all of Yhwach's powers, stats, memories and physical AP, DC, Speed and durability from existence and rewrote them all. But Yhwach negated all of that.
> Is a NLF because it says that he can bypass ANY TYPE of armor or barrier.
You didn't answered. Proof for him bypassing reishi/blood?
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I'm sorry, but I posted all relevant information in that post in detail. I've given you said answers already. At this point you're simply being difficult. If you aren't willing to read a wall of text, Digimon is not the verse you should be arguing mechanics over. That's how we work. We have blogs and other things detailing this information. It's not difficult to understand.
"Just copy paste where it says that he can rip souls from souls, or at least a soul without a body."
That's not something that needs to be proven. It's common sense. Not to mention all Digimon can affect souls and nonexistent beings. This is common knowledge at this point. Explained on said post you refuse to read. Being a soul means nothing here. Him being a soul only serves to make him vulnerable as his is in fact a soul, he is still in fact configuration data and in fact still gets absorbed or destroyed.
"After he erased all of Yhwach's powers, stats, memories and physical AP, DC, Speed and durability from existence and rewrote them all. But Yhwach negated all of that."
Yeah. once again and? MetalPhantomon isn't nullifying anything.
"Is a NLF because it says that he can bypass ANY TYPE of armor or barrier."
No it isn't. That's simple durability negation. Especially when MetalPhantomon is thousand of times stronger than Yhwach. So it most definitely is not NLF.
"You didn't answered. Proof for him bypassing reishi/blood?"
Reishi is data as an energy source. Energy is data. Blood is data. He bypasses all that goes for the soul data. This is shown as he can bypass a Digimon's natural defenses to such powers and directly steal their souls. Souls are data. Minds are data. Matter is data.
"Just copy paste where it says that he can rip souls from souls, or at least a soul without a body."
That's not something that needs to be proven. It's common sense. Not to mention all Digimon can affect souls and nonexistent beings. This is common knowledge at this point. Explained on said post you refuse to read. Being a soul means nothing here. Him being a soul only serves to make him vulnerable as his is in fact a soul, he is still in fact configuration data and in fact still gets absorbed or destroyed.
"After he erased all of Yhwach's powers, stats, memories and physical AP, DC, Speed and durability from existence and rewrote them all. But Yhwach negated all of that."
Yeah. once again and? MetalPhantomon isn't nullifying anything.
"Is a NLF because it says that he can bypass ANY TYPE of armor or barrier."
No it isn't. That's simple durability negation. Especially when MetalPhantomon is thousand of times stronger than Yhwach. So it most definitely is not NLF.
"You didn't answered. Proof for him bypassing reishi/blood?"
Reishi is data as an energy source. Energy is data. Blood is data. He bypasses all that goes for the soul data. This is shown as he can bypass a Digimon's natural defenses to such powers and directly steal their souls. Souls are data. Minds are data. Matter is data.
| It is also known as the "Necromancer" due to its summoning and manipulation of the reluctant souls (residual data) of annihilated Digimo |
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MetalPhantomon is thousand of times stronger than Yhwach.
Why is this even a thing? I trusted you. I could say Yhwach could absorb him too since data= energy= soul, but you will just say "Yhwach has not absorb someone of his level of power before" :3
Can someone explain how is this thread exist?
Why is this even a thing? I trusted you. I could say Yhwach could absorb him too since data= energy= soul, but you will just say "Yhwach has not absorb someone of his level of power before" :3
Can someone explain how is this thread exist?
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The Data mechanics kind of only work one way unless you are in the Digital World as Digimon are data regardless of whether they are in the real world or not. Yes, fighting in the Digital World actually grants haxes. lol
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Luffy for the reasons above.
