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Yhwach The Almighty vs Son Goku (Xeno)

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Just wanna point this out because I think it’s funny but every single Xeno character has immeasurable speed meaning they completely shit any and all passive hax Yhwach has even if they would be able to garner him a win. Which is why speed needs to be equalized for this shi to even be fair 🗿

Anyways on topic Goku wins FRA. Specifically his summoning and plethora of higher D hax he has.
 
Mustache FRA 🚂💨 (if it was mustacheman vs composite db then there might be the possibility of having a debate)
 
Bleach and Dragon Ball fans should not be allowed to interact with each other 🗿
Me, I guess:

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Dormant Keysword still has 4-D powernull
4-D is infinitely greater than 3-D
Attaching the word CONCEPT to a 3-D Hax doesnt make it a percent better than a 4-D hax cause a 4-D hax operates at an infinitely higher level
Except for that yhwach, while being 3-d was able to absorb 4-d hax, the almighty is 4-d either way, and his almighty is what grants him his powernull.
What does summoning beings that are acasual, or resist fate hax have to do with goku? summoning doesn't make him acasual, or resistant to fate hax, don't see how that's an argument.

Does goku even have layered soul resistance?
If not yhwach passively disintegrates him
 
while being 3-d was able to absorb 4-d hax
Which 4-D Hax did Yhwach absorb exactly? Please name it
the almighty is 4-d either way, and his almighty is what grants him his powernull
Fate Hax is 4-D but the beings Goku can summon either have Acausal 4 or Resist 4-D Fate Hax anyways so Moot. Plus Yhwach Powernull is tied to Fate Hax. If Fate Hax doesn’t occur/ is resisted that Powernull which is a Sub Effect of Fate Hax doesn’t occur either. And even then many characters still resist 4-D Powernull as well
What does summoning beings that are acasual, or resist fate hax have to do with goku? summoning doesn't make him acasual, or resistant to fate hax, don't see how that's an argument.
It’s an argument because Yhwachs Fate Hax can’t do 💩 to them and the summons can go to town on him with him being able to do little to nothing to stop them. And winning via summons is allowed here
Does goku even have layered soul resistance?
If not yhwach passively disintegrates him
Soul Crush for all its layers and what not is still a 3-D Hax. Even if I were to give Yhwach the benefit of saying it’s a 4-D Hax, Goku already resists 4-D Energy/Dark Magic Soul Hax. Even if I were to still give Yhwach the benefit of saying his Soul Hax was Layered 4-D, Goku still has the Keysword which still ends up Powernull soul crush or can just IT outta range. Since Goku already has decent soul resistant Soul Crush won’t insta-vape him and all Goku needs is a split second to use IT, get out of Yhwach range and then summon. And this is assuming Keysword doesn’t just Powernull it all together. This is even more so assuming the Soul Crush is even 4-D.
 
Which 4-D Hax did Yhwach absorb exactly? Please name it

Fate Hax is 4-D but the beings Goku can summon either have Acausal 4 or Resist 4-D Fate Hax anyways so Moot. Plus Yhwach Powernull is tied to Fate Hax. If Fate Hax doesn’t occur/ is resisted that Powernull which is a Sub Effect of Fate Hax doesn’t occur either. And even then many characters still resist 4-D Powernull as well

It’s an argument because Yhwachs Fate Hax can’t do 💩 to them and the summons can go to town on him with him being able to do little to nothing to stop them. And winning via summons is allowed here

Soul Crush for all its layers and what not is still a 3-D Hax. Even if I were to give Yhwach the benefit of saying it’s a 4-D Hax, Goku already resists 4-D Energy/Dark Magic Soul Hax. Even if I were to still give Yhwach the benefit of saying his Soul Hax was Layered 4-D, Goku still has the Keysword which still ends up Powernull soul crush or can just IT outta range. Since Goku already has decent soul resistant Soul Crush won’t insta-vape him and all Goku needs is a split second to use IT, get out of Yhwach range and then summon. And this is assuming Keysword doesn’t just Powernull it all together. This is even more so assuming the Soul Crush is even 4-D.
Yhwach absorbed the soul king, who pretty much had an upgraded version of the almighty, and was able to resist yhwach's almighty / precog. After absorbing the soul king, yhwach gained another pupil in the Almighty.

yeah, the beings goku summons have those resistances, you're right, but that doesn't mean that goku has them though?
Can those summons get past layered intangibility, NEP, HGR, passive layered soul crush, 4-d power absorption and way more?

Soul resistance doesn't work that way afaik with the changes that were made a while ago. there is no such thing as 2-A soul hax, it's counted as the range now.
Soul resistance works with layers now.
 
Yhwach absorbed the soul king, who pretty much had an upgraded version of the almighty, and was able to resist yhwach's almighty / precog. After absorbing the soul king, yhwach gained another pupil in the Almighty.
Correction. He absorbed a VASTLY depowered Soul King who going by the profile did not even have the almighty. Also Depowered Soul King doesn’t have resistance to Yhwachs Precog….. that was specifically the Mihigami. And even if he did that only proves resistance to 4-D Fate Hax not that the Soul King specifically had 4-D AP or Hax himself

Point being
Yhwach absorbing the Soul king (Depowered) did not give him 4-D Hax nor did the Soul king at that time possess 4-D Hax except Cosmic Awareness
yeah, the beings goku summons have those resistances, you're right, but that doesn't mean that goku has them though?
He doesn’t but nothing stops the summons from fighting Yhwach
Can those summons get past layered intangibility, NEP, HGR
SO abilities that Yhwach would not resort to regularly but I’ll ignore that for now

Intangibility Yes: Ki can interact with Abstract Beings (NOT CONCEPTUAL ABSTRACTS for those who might be raising eyebrows). No amount of Intangibility is gonna put Yhwach on the level of an Abstarct Being

NEP No: Not sure how NEP would be useful to Yhwach anyways since if he did erase himself from perception and memory, Goku would still detect him once he becomes existent again. Yhwach can’t fight (he can act thou) in a Nonexistent state. Once he becomes existent thou Goku can pick up on him easy and Goku can also sense intent so Goku would know he is bad news. Point being NEP ain’t doing Yhwach any favors except looking for a incon by remaining Nonexistent the entire fight which he would not even do cause NEP is 1/10 chance something he’d resort to

HGR Yes: Sealing still works lol. HGR doesn’t stop sealing his ass away

, passive layered soul crush
Soul crush could have infinite layers lolz. A 3-D Hax ain’t getting pass a 4-D resistance. Worse the Keysword is still there to Powernull the Soul Crush anyways
4-d power absorption
Unless Yhwach absorbed a 4-D being or a 4-D structure then his Absorption is 3-D. People like Mechi who can absorb literal timelines THAT is a 4-D absorption.
Soul resistance doesn't work that way afaik with the changes that were made a while ago. there is no such thing as 2-A soul hax, it's counted as the range now.
Soul resistance works with layers now.
Yeah
And guess what?
3-D soul Hax with infinite layers < Baseline 4-D Soul Resistance
And even then Soul Hax still gets 4-D powernulled
 
NEP No: Not sure how NEP would be useful to Yhwach anyways since if he did erase himself from perception and memory, Goku would still detect him once he becomes existent again. Yhwach can’t fight (he can act thou) in a Nonexistent state. Once he becomes existent thou Goku can pick up on him easy and Goku can also sense intent so Goku would know he is bad news. Point being NEP ain’t doing Yhwach any favors except looking for a incon by remaining Nonexistent the entire fight which he would not even do cause NEP is 1/10 chance something he’d resort to
Don't know if it helps, but Time Power users have possibly Nonexistent (Nature Type 1) Erasure, so someone like True Form Tokitoki or Chronoa could maybe do something.
 
Don't know if it helps, but Time Power users have possibly Nonexistent (Nature Type 1) Erasure, so someone like True Form Tokitoki or Chronoa could maybe do something.
Yeah they can
I almost forgot that’s a 💩 they can do lol
So even NEP won’t save him lol 😂

Worse TokiToki has Fusionism for being able to merge with beings and bestow them all his powers so Goku could potentially summon him and fuse with him and have access to TP regardless and whip Yhwachs 🍑
 
Correction. He absorbed a VASTLY depowered Soul King who going by the profile did not even have the almighty. Also Depowered Soul King doesn’t have resistance to Yhwachs Precog….. that was specifically the Mihigami. And even if he did that only proves resistance to 4-D Fate Hax not that the Soul King specifically had 4-D AP or Hax himself

Point being
Yhwach absorbing the Soul king (Depowered) did not give him 4-D Hax nor did the Soul king at that time possess 4-D Hax except Cosmic Awareness

He doesn’t but nothing stops the summons from fighting Yhwach

SO abilities that Yhwach would not resort to regularly but I’ll ignore that for now

Intangibility Yes: Ki can interact with Abstract Beings (NOT CONCEPTUAL ABSTRACTS for those who might be raising eyebrows). No amount of Intangibility is gonna put Yhwach on the level of an Abstarct Being

NEP No: Not sure how NEP would be useful to Yhwach anyways since if he did erase himself from perception and memory, Goku would still detect him once he becomes existent again. Yhwach can’t fight (he can act thou) in a Nonexistent state. Once he becomes existent thou Goku can pick up on him easy and Goku can also sense intent so Goku would know he is bad news. Point being NEP ain’t doing Yhwach any favors except looking for a incon by remaining Nonexistent the entire fight which he would not even do cause NEP is 1/10 chance something he’d resort to

HGR Yes: Sealing still works lol. HGR doesn’t stop sealing his ass away


Soul crush could have infinite layers lolz. A 3-D Hax ain’t getting pass a 4-D resistance. Worse the Keysword is still there to Powernull the Soul Crush anyways

Unless Yhwach absorbed a 4-D being or a 4-D structure then his Absorption is 3-D. People like Mechi who can absorb literal timelines THAT is a 4-D absorption.

Yeah
And guess what?
3-D soul Hax with infinite layers < Baseline 4-D Soul Resistance
And even then Soul Hax still gets 4-D powernulled
Mate, did you see the eyes of the soul king? do you even know what you're talking about?
Yhwach literally stated that the soul king had already foreseen all the events that were happening, a million years before they happened, which obviously indicates the almighty, considering the amount of pupils he had.. as thats an indication of the almighty..
It doesn't matter that he was depowered, the fact that he was able to neg yhwach's almighty and precog says enough. Yhwach gained his 4-d almighty after he absorbed the soul king. The same soul king who was passively holding the entire verse together with its presence.

Yhwach has thought based hax, so how exactly would he not be able to fight with his NEP?

Sealing works sure, if yhwach doesn't resist it with the almighty. which goku wouldn't be able to do either way, only his summons can.
And ki can only interact with ghosts, which are intangible, but not on the same level as bleach. you'd have to prove that they're on the same level. as in bleach, you have souls not being able to interact with souls, who can't interact with yet again another soul. I'd like to see proof of Ki being able to interact with an AE1 being.

No, as i said soul resistance doesn't work that way anymore, otherwise yhwach would have 4-d soul hax, from being able to manipulate an infinite amount of souls. It just counts as the range of the soul hax, not the potency, the potency is done through layers.

And like i said, Yhwach absorbed a being with 4-d hax, therefore he has 4-d absorption simple.
 
Mate, did you see the eyes of the soul king? do you even know what you're talking about?
Yhwach literally stated that the soul king had already foreseen all the events that were happening, a million years before they happened, which obviously indicates the almighty,
This has been debated to hell and back before on Bleach threads before and no he doesn’t have almighty. If he did it would be on his profile that Depowered Soul King has Almighty. And it’s against the rules powers not the profile so if you wanna argue Depowered Soul King has Almighty then make a CTR and applying it before using it as a valid argument
It doesn't matter that he was depowered, the fact that he was able to neg yhwach's almighty and precog says enough.
Yeah cause Yhwach is weak. The Soul kings Powernull expresses that he can only Null beings vastly weaker than himself. How would Yhwach use that to his advantage against Goku?
Yhwach gained his 4-d almighty after he absorbed the soul king.
Really now? Not after the 999 prophecy…. Only after absorbing the soul king?
The same soul king who was passively holding the entire verse together with its presence.
Hence why he is 4-A, possibly 3-A to Low 2-C not indefinitely Low 2-C
Yhwach has thought based hax, so how exactly would he not be able to fight with his NEP exactly?
Lack of feats he can use Hax while nonexistent plus no slight indication he could do so
Sealing works sure, if yhwach doesn't resist it with the almighty.
No he doesn’t
which goku wouldn't be able to do either way, only his summons can.
TT merges with Goku and gives him 4-D Fate Hax resistance plus TP
And ki can only interact with ghosts, which are intangible, but not on the same level as bleach. you'd have to prove that they're on the same level. as in bleach, you have souls not being able to interact with souls, who can't interact with yet again another soul. I'd like to see proof of Ki being able to interact with an AE1 being.
IZ GG
No, as i said soul resistance doesn't work that way anymore, otherwise yhwach would have 4-d soul hax, from being able to manipulate an infinite amount of souls. It just counts as the range of the soul hax, not the potency, the potency is done through layers.
So you not know how dimensional potency works?
Haxing INFINITE beings with 3-D resistance doesn’t prove Yhwach has 4-D soul crush. That’s just quantity stacking and not even proof of layers cause if all those 3-D resistances are at a level that your 3-D Hax is above that’s just one layer up
A 4-D resistance comes from resisting Hax from a infinitely higher source/force of power that trumps 3-D to the point no amount of layer stacking can reach.

Goku has that 4-D resistance for being able to resist a 4-D energy/Magic based Soul Manipulation. Yhwach doesn’t have 4-D Energy, only 3-D. His Soul Hax is 3-D. Affecting infinite beings with 3-D resistance is still just 3-D cause no amount of number stacking reaches 4-D as the gap between 3-D and 4-D is smth infinite number stacking can’t bridge
And like i said, Yhwach absorbed a being with 4-d hax, therefore he has 4-d absorption simple.
That’s literally not how it works
To get 4-D absorption you need feats of absorbing a 4-D being or structure. Yhwach has done neither. Absorbing a being with 4-D Hax BUT A 3-D BEING OR 3-D STRUCTURE is still 3-D absorption
 
Yhwach has NEP nature type 1 and 3, and Aspect type 1,3 and 4, so yeah that's not enough.
He doesn’t like Aspect 5 History
So he gets erased
Nature 3 and Nature 1 are pretty much equivalent

Nature 1 is being in a nonexistent state
Nature 3 is ACTING in nonexistent state still existing or vice Versa

Nature 3 doesn’t have much if any notable advantages over Nature 1 and vice Versa
All that different between them both is the method of application
 
Goku can summon beings with 4-D Fate Hax and Resistance so good luck
Yeah that works, but Goku can summon Acausal 4 beings so hard counter to Precog.
Goku also has Keysword with insane levels of 4-D Powernull. Most of Yhwach's Hax are 3-D so the Keysword easily 360 no scopes most of them on arrival. Any Hax the Keysword somehow cant deal with can be dealt with by Summons. Not to mention with Keysword goku can Powernull and/or Seal Yhwach. The only thing that would stop that iis Precog and Fate Hax, both of which can be countered by Summons
After his haxed he does Summoning? Won't he have to resist the attacks first before he summons and how often does he do Summoning?
 
After his haxed he does Summoning? Won't he have to resist the attacks first before he summons and how often does he do Summoning?
With the Keysword… Goku Powernulls 90% of Yhwach Hax due to them being 3-D Hax against a 4-D Powernull.
Fate Hax and Precog are the only issues and even then Goku can summon Acausal 4 beings. Yhwach would no see that coming because guess what? Acausal 4 resists Percognition and Yhwach lacks feats of precognitive awareness of Acausal 4 beings

Goku summons very often
Like 2nd or 3rd Move often
 
#1 Check Goku's profile
#2 He doesnt need to kill him. Just seal him away with Keysword or have one of his summons seal him and GG

Also, Im surprised if Yhwach could do anything at all with DD affecting him
Keysword isn't a standard equipment on goku profile.
Yhwach can copy all of Goku's summons including Goku himself
NLF


Goku has immeasurable speed so that's a massive advantage and Keysword is No factor here as it's not a standard gear equipment and OP never said Goku has Keysword.
 
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