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Because he has them?Ok, that's what confuses me. He has never used these in the story before, no? So like, what's the point of giving him a access to these, if he has never used them in story before?
SimpleOk, that's what confuses me. He has never used these in the story before, no? So like, what's the point of giving him a access to these, if he has never used them in story before?
Up to this point.... He has noneWhat is Yhwach's answer for the dimensional domain?
Yeah but like, there is no point in giving him access to it if he's never ever gonna use it in a battle??Because he has them?
why does he have yamamoto's bankai, while he never used it?
It doesn't matter that he didn't use it, the fact remains that he has it.
I don't think that's how it works bro. Pretty sure we don't get to change how they start out with their moves, at all.Simple
We all fine it interesting to debate how he would use them and some of us actually like debating against a hypothetical Yhwach that would have casual utilize the sternritter powers
Its all to keep the debate lively and the action interesting
If he has it, why couldn't he use it? what kind of argument is thatYeah but like, there is no point in giving him access to it if he's never ever gonna use it in a battle??
Yhwach was able to see tsukishima, who manipulated the past so that ichigo's bankai could be healed btw, and literally stated that he allowed him to do it.The Main thing Yhwach has going for him is Fate Hax which can ultimately be countered by DD or goku just using Time Travel since its instant and Precog plus Fate Hax aint gonna let you see or manipulate the past. Goku can just visit a point in time Yhwach is vulnerable and beat his ass there or seal him away
And Yhwach has no Acausal 1
If he can't do anything against the dimensional domain, then he can't fight, defend, move, or use ability, since that is the effect of DD. Up to this point, I don't see how Yhwach can win.Up to this point.... He has none
He can refuel himself with Reishi as Deceived pointed out but that barely does anything because DD will just continue setting his Stamina back to 1 point below zero over and over again the moment Yhwach stamina reaches at least 2 points below zero. And with dozens of passive stamina hax that all take between 10% to 90% of a targets stamina and all these passive stamina hax acting on Yhwach all at once, he's gonna be SEI and power locked in no time flat and Yhwach still has no 4-D resistance to powernull so DD is negging him
??? You don't get to change in-character of a character my dude. Literally not how it works. Bring Kubo here to write out a canon-scene of Yhwach EVER using any of these abilities and then we can talk about it. Otherwise, there is no way. And Bleach being on a time-crunch or rush or whatever doesn't mean anything in regards to him using it in-character. So nope.If he has it, why couldn't he use it? what kind of argument is that
It's very obvious that he didn't use any of his extra abilities due to bleach being on a time crunch, despite being stated 935983498 times that he has them, just like yamamoto's bankai.
You'd need to prove their situation is the same, otherwise that'd count as false equivalency. Apples ≠ Oranges. So prove that he can use it in-character or stop it. You LITERALLY cannot argue that something that a character has NEVER ever DONE before in story, can now suddenly start out with these moves as he wishes when he has never ever done so. That's a bit of a ratty argument brodie.unless if people think yamamoto's bankai wouldn't be a good offensive tool to use with the almighty, be my guest.
you can say that he doesn't have his bankai either.
#1 Yhwach never physically alters the PastYhwach was able to see tsukishima, who manipulated the past so that ichigo's bankai could be healed btw, and literally stated that he allowed him to do it.
I already addressed that handwaving the problem with him not having ever used these abilities doesn't work. Provide evidence that he has used it in the story/in-character or concede.Yhwach might actually have resistance towards 4-D Power Nullification but i need to ask about a few things before giving a solid answer, but it's currently assumed 3-D, which means DD would bypass that level of resistance.
Also the argument "he didn't use them in the story, which means he'll never use them in a hypothetical battle which isn't written by Kubo" isn't a good argument, it just means he doesn't start off with them, that isn't evidence he'll never use them when you provide further context.
funny how this version of Goku would actually resort to something like thisThe Main thing Yhwach has going for him is Fate Hax which can ultimately be countered by DD or goku just using Time Travel since its instant and Precog plus Fate Hax aint gonna let you see or manipulate the past. Goku can just visit a point in time Yhwach is vulnerable and beat his ass there or seal him away
And Yhwach has no Acausal 1
4-D powernull he does have but Goku resists layered 4-D powernull so mootYhwach does have 4-d powernull, as it's tied to his fate hax which i stated multiple times before.
That isn't hand waving, google the actual definition of hand waving before using words you don't understand.I already addressed that handwaving the problem with him not having ever used these abilities doesn't work. Provide evidence that he has used it in the story/in-character or concede.
Even decieved admits that with Yhwach's current resistance to powernull, even thou conceptual its still 3-D and 4-D powernull's like DD and Keysword Glass Cannon through and Null Yhwach4-D powernull he does have but Goku resists layered 4-D powernull so moot
And Goku has 4-D layer powernull with keysword while yhwach's powernull resistance is only 3-D going by resistance feats
Stop using powernull as a wincon it wont work till some CTR happens that upgardes Yhwach current feats
That is handwaving the issue my dude. You're not directly addressing how important the very concept of him not having ever used these abilities, makes it so that him ever using it in a hypothetical match is impossible. We don't get to change his In-character thinking or fighting style, and NEITHER do you. Stop being disingenuous.That isn't hand waving, google the actual definition of hand waving before using words you don't understand.
I'm providing context on why he doesn't use them in the story, prove why he would be bounded by that context in a hypothetical match, if you can't evidently prove he would then you'd concede the claim via Burden of Rejoinder.
Im sending this over to All Purpose to be closed then if no one else here has any issues with thatI'm fine with closing the thread because Yhwach most likely gets stomped from everything I've seen, he doesn't really have a valid wincon that is in-character for him to use while Goku has multiple.
I dont think it would be added since its being considered a Stomp since Yhwach has no true wincon as all of them get countered in some wayWait a minute…is this gonna be Yhwach’s first official loss on his profile?
Yhwach has lost to other people before lolAnd it’s given by Xeno Goku of all people?
Meh...That’s rough buddy
https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Standard_Battle_Assumptions This practically shuts down your argument. SBA means they're in-character. Not "hypothetically he would do this" type of shit.Bruh.
Him never using them in canon doesn't indicate or imply he'd never use them in a hypothetical battle inherently. You aren't proving why your interpretation of the evidence has more truth-value behind it compared to my interpretation, you're just asserting it is, and that's it. Actually prove why your interpretation has more evidence, is less assumptive etc.
I never said we should/did change his 'in-character thinking or fighting style", i specifically said it isn't in-character for him to use those abilities, i'm just saying it isn't evidence of him NEVER using those abilities while in a hypothetical battle, also don't talk about disingenuous when you're strawmanning my argument right now.
You actually didn't read my post dude, i never made that claim, in actuality, i even said it isn't in character for him to use those abilities, actually read what i'm typing before getting all big chested on shit you aren't knowledgeable on. You're making the positive claim right now, i'm just proving a counter interpretation, you haven't provided evidence for your burden yet.
Also stop questioning my character when you aren't even reading what i'm saying.
"Also the argument "he didn't use them in the story, which means he'll never use them in a hypothetical battle which isn't written by Kubo" isn't a good argument, it just means he doesn't start off with them, that isn't evidence he'll never use them when you provide further context."
Also stop questioning my character when you aren't even reading what i'm saying.
And Time Travel as Yhwach has no Acausal 1 and Precog and Fate Hax can’t affect the past.Only wincon goku has here is sealing though
hi^
I’ve just read an actual scripture about how Yhwach can’t used his accepted abilities in a hypothetical vs battle matchup.
Just take a vacuum and suck the point of putting those abilities on his profile why don’t ya
just curious. are you being sarcastic or you being fr?Im just saying, but giving letting yhwach use the sternritter abilities is automatically OOC
It's a stomp match eh? Oofie.I dont think it would be added since its being considered a Stomp since Yhwach has no true wincon as all of them get countered in some way
In other words Goku has many wincons he can take to win and Yhwach does not
In other words..... Stomp Match
Wont get added
Yhwach has lost to other people before lol
Meh...
Deceived has upgrades in mind so thats something to look forward to
Please quote the part where i didn't agree with it being out of character.just curious. are you being sarcastic or you being fr?because you didn't agree with it earlier so im curious as to whether you really changed your mind
If Yhwach has like, no way of winning then ig it really is a stomp.. Well. I don't have any issue with that if it's a stomp.Im sending this over to All Purpose to be closed then if no one else here has any issues with that