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not sorryWho the #@%$ resurrected this thread???
Who the #@%$ resurrected this thread???
Goku resists 4-D EE so nopeYhwach has EE
Goku can summon beings with 4-D Fate Hax and Resistance so good luckFate manip
Where on his profile is this located and how exactly is this useful?Conceptual manip
Once again.... where on his profile is this located on how is it useful?causality manip
Assuming this comes from the Miracle..... Goku breaks that shit with one attack due to AP difference (IIRC, the sword doesn't reflect damage once broken as seen with Kenpachi, maybe wrong thou)damage transferal
Yeah that works, but Goku can summon Acausal 4 beings so hard counter to Precog.precog
If this is through the power of Yourself......... Goku just beats Yhwach the same way Kenpachi beat Royd, becoming stronger than the imitation that Yhwach created. And Goku has insane Accel Development so yeah..... goku can easily overpower Yhwachand if for some reason you think absolutely any form of Goku bypasses any of these he can literally just make a perfect copy of Goku and have him fight himself honestly this isn't a fair fight by any account.
Goku also has Keysword with insane levels of 4-D Powernull. Most of Yhwach's Hax are 3-D so the Keysword easily 360 no scopes most of them on arrival. Any Hax the Keysword somehow cant deal with can be dealt with by Summons. Not to mention with Keysword goku can Powernull and/or Seal Yhwach. The only thing that would stop that iis Precog and Fate Hax, both of which can be countered by SummonsGoku loses to majority if not all people who have a kit even remotely similar to Yhwach's
BtwIf this is through the power of Yourself......... Goku just beats Yhwach the same way Kenpachi beat Royd, becoming stronger than the imitation that Yhwach created. And Goku has insane Accel Development so yeah..... goku can easily overpower Yhwach
The only thing I'm getting from this is that you haven't read Bleach and you haven't even checked Yhwach's profile. I will 100% need proof of Goku resisting EE as well as everything else as I am pretty damn sure he doesn't and even if he did Goku has absolutely no way of permanently killing Yhwach and Yhwach can always kill him via deconstruction with Sankt Zwinger Goku has no form of relevant regen nor does he have infinite stamina he cannot win.Goku resists 4-D EE so nope
Goku can summon beings with 4-D to 5-D Fate Hax and Resistance so good luck
Where on his profile is this located and how exactly is this useful?
Once again.... where on his profile is this located on how is it useful?(Also Goku can summon beings with 5-D causality manipulation and resistance)
Assuming this comes from the Miracle..... Goku breaks that shit with one attack due to AP difference (IIRC, the sword doesn't reflect damage once broken as seen with Kenpachi, maybe wrong thou)
Yeah that works, but Goku can summon Acausal 4 beings so hard counter to Precog.
If this is through the power of Yourself......... Goku just beats Yhwach the same way Kenpachi beat Royd, becoming stronger than the imitation that Yhwach created. And Goku has insane Accel Development so yeah..... goku can easily overpower Yhwach
Goku also has Keysword with insane levels of 4-D Powernull. Most of Yhwach's Hax are 3-D so the Keysword easily 360 no scopes most of them on arrival. Any Hax the Keysword somehow cant deal with can be dealt with by Summons. Not to mention with Keysword goku can Powernull and/or Seal Yhwach. The only thing that would stop that iis Precog and Fate Hax, both of which can be countered by Summons
#1 Check Goku's profileThe only thing I'm getting from this is that you haven't read Bleach and you haven't even checked Yhwach's profile. I will 100% need proof of Goku resisting EE as well as everything else as I am pretty damn sure he doesn't and even if he did Goku has absolutely no way of permanently killing Yhwach and Yhwach can always kill him via deconstruction with Sankt Zwinger Goku has no form of relevant regen nor does he have infinite stamina he cannot win.
As far as I am concerned noDoes Goku resist absorption, and if so what types of absorption?.
YesDoes Goku resist absorption, and if so what types of absorption?.
I did check Goku's profile and no Goku cannot seal Ywhach with the keysword because it's in it's dormant state#1 Check Goku's profile
#2 He doesnt need to kill him. Just seal him away with Keysword or have one of his summons seal him and GG
Also, Im surprised if Yhwach could do anything at all with DD affecting him
Yhwach can copy all of Goku's summons including Goku himselfYes
Not the ones on Yhwachs level thats for sure
DD, IT and Keysword would be hard counters to absorption anyways
Plus summons make it worse as many of them have Time Hax on steroids which Yhwach has no answer for
Dormant State also has sealingI did check Goku's profile and no Goku cannot seal Ywhach with the keysword because it's in it's dormant state
So Yhwach can copy 4-D AP and 4-D Hax?Yhwach can copy all of Goku's summons including Goku himself
Yeah which is precisely why it wouldn't work on YhwachDormant State also has sealing
Look again
Its just not as OP as the Awakened State
Many summons resist Fate Hax so yeahHigh end 4-D mustache go brrr.
Yup thats a problem which is why the only way to win is through sealingHigh-Godly GG.
Most of which are 3-D and Keysword Power null's anywaysPlethora of Layered passive hax GG.
Because its less OP?Yeah which is precisely why it wouldn't work on Yhwach
There is no time he's ever been shown doing that but there's also no proof of him being incapable of doing so. Not to mention he can literally see into the future and stop Goku from using the keysword since it takes time to chargeSo Yhwach can copy 4-D AP and 4-D Hax?
Has he in any capacity shown that capability?
Just name one time he did so and ill concede that he can
Ichibei's power null had no affect on him and that thing targets literal concepts I refuse to believe the dormant state of the keysword can do much more especially to a Yhwach that's literally amped and far far stronger than the one who negged Ichibei's power nullBecause its less OP?
Thats the reason it would not work?
PLEASE SIRRRR DO NOT GO DOWN THIS ROUTE. WE DONT DO THAT HEREThere is no time he's ever been shown doing that but there's also no proof of him being incapable of doing so.
Goku doesnt need to resort to Awakened State. The dormant state works just fine. Multiple Summons resist Fate hax lol so again how is fate hax helping him?Not to mention he can literally see into the future and stop Goku from using the keysword since it takes time to charge
Your comparing a 3-D conceptual powernull to a 4-D conceptual power null sirrrrIchibei's power null had no affect on him and that thing targets literal concepts I refuse to believe the dormant state of the keysword can do much more especially to a Yhwach that's literally amped and far far stronger than the one who negged Ichibei's power null
Fake news.Many summons resist Fate Hax so yeah
Wrong.Yup thats a problem which is why the only way to win is through sealing
Gay & wrong + skill issue + capMost of which are 3-D and Keysword Power null's anyways
I agree completely with thisFake news.
Wrong.
Gay & wrong + skill issue + cap
On a serious topic who in dragon ball has conceptual manipulation? Last I checked concepts are unbound by dimensionality unless stated otherwise.Your comparing a 3-D conceptual powernull to a 4-D conceptual power null sirrrr
#1. No oneOn a serious topic who in dragon ball has conceptual manipulation? Last I checked concepts are unbound by dimensionality unless stated otherwise.
Goku can't use the awakened state of the keysword according to his wiki page at least, and you're now dodging the question. I will concede to say he can't make a copy of the summons to make both our lives easier there's also nothing I see that can allow Goku's summons to resist fate manip and even if they could you have yet to even comprehend what conceptual manip would do in a fight so please start there for nowPLEASE SIRRRR DO NOT GO DOWN THIS ROUTE. WE DONT DO THAT HERE
Goku doesnt need to resort to Awakened State. The dormant state works just fine. Multiple Summons resist Fate hax lol so again how is fate hax helping him?
He cant by himself. He needs Time Power users (which he can summon) to fuel the Keysword to do so.Goku can't use the awakened state of the keysword according to his wiki page at least
#1. Goku can summon beings with Acausal 4. Acausal 4 by its very nature resists Fate Haxalso nothing I see that can allow Goku's summons to resist fate manip
Alright so basically....you have yet to even comprehend what conceptual manip would do in a fight so please start there for now
What conceptual power null? the keysword doesn't have conceptual power null according to the wikiYour comparing a 3-D conceptual powernull to a 4-D conceptual power null sirrrr
Their is qualitative and infinitely higher difference in scale and scope
The difference bewteen 3-D and 4-D is one that infinite can bridge
Conceptual 3-D does not in any way put you on the level of a 4-D powernull
The Keysword does notWhat conceptual power null? the keysword doesn't have conceptual power null according to the wiki
Correct. similarly to what @LordGinSama said I had thought a concept was unbound by dimensionality unless stated otherwiseThe Keysword does not
Yhwach can RESIST 3-D conceptual power null which is why your arguing (refusing to believe) that the Keysword which has a 4-D powernull cant affect him.... Just because it aint conceptual
No. I'm only referring to the dormant keyswordHe cant by himself. He needs Time Power users (which he can summon) to fuel the Keysword to do so.
#1. Goku can summon beings with Acausal 4. Acausal 4 by its very nature resists Fate Hax
Type 4: Irregular Causality: Characters with this type of Acausality operate on a different and irregular system of cause and effect than regular causality. This grants them resistance to abilities such as Causality Manipulation, Fate Manipulation, and Precognition, among others.
#2: Goku can summon Time Power users. Time Powers users Resists Fate Manipulation. Type in Time Power in your search bar and go to the resistance section. You'll see what I mean.
Alright so basically....
You wanna argue a 3-D conceptual power null is equal or GREATER than 4-D, 5-D, 11-D, 13-D powernull just because its conceptual????
Do you understand the gap in potency between 3-D and any higher dimensional potency?
He was stating that as an opinion not an OBJECTIVE FACTCorrect. similarly to what @LordGinSama said I had thought a concept was unbound by dimensionality unless stated otherwise
Dormant Keysword still has 4-D powernullNo. I'm only referring to the dormant keysword
Who said I was stating it as an objective fact? I'm merely stating what I thought please learn to read my dudeHe was stating that as an opinion not an OBJECTIVE FACT
The idea of Concept Manipulation being UNBOUND by dimensions would mean any conceptual version of a 3-D hax would be infinitely greater than 4-D to any higher number D version of that Hax.
We LITERALLY do not allow this. Thats NLF at its PEAK. If Yhwach has only been shown resisting a Conceptual 3-D powernull then on WHAT BASIS do you assume he can do the same with a 11-D Powernull? 11-D is so infinitely superior to 3-D it isnt funny but your gonna give 3-D conceptual versions of a hax reign over an 11-D version of a hax just cause one is conceptual?
Find me ONE staff member on the wiki that agrees with this notion
...Well what you thought is not how things work here and unless you got a better argument to offer then Yhwach gets negged by KeyswordWho said I was stating it as an objective fact? I'm merely stating what I thought please learn to read my dude
That's all you had to do bro...Well what you thought is not how things work here and unless you got a better argument to offer then Yhwach gets negged by Keysword