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Keysword isn't a standard equipment check his profile so it's null
No if goku dosen't resist he can't summon.
If he dosen't resist the hax he can't summon except he resist the hax then he can.
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Yhwach The Almighty vs Son Goku (Xeno)
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No if goku dosen't resist he can't summon.
If he dosen't resist the hax he can't summon except he resist the hax then he can.
Hellscream
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A crt doesn't need to be made, the soul king has the almighty it's literally on his profile lol.
The fact that his almighty got upgraded after absorbing him literally proves that point..
And no, that's because the soul king had 4-d powernull while yhwach had 3-d powernull.
Which like i said before yhwach gained after absorbing the soul king.
Mate, the almighty yhwach had pre soul king was not as strong as it was after, which was obviously indicated after he gained another pupil. He also gave his explanation of how the full capabilities of the almighty work, after absorbing the soul king.
It's not a lack of feats, the fact is that yhwach has all of his sternritters abilities, and has thought based hax.
If you don't like that fact, go make a CRT
Yhwach does resist sealing
Did goku actually merge with TokiToki or?
Tf is IZ GG supposed to mean?
Can you provide the thread where you're getting this information about soul manipulation btw?
With that i know, soul manipulation and resistances had a revision a few months ago, and work through layering.
Yes that is how it works, yhwach absorbed a being with 4-d hax, to be able to absorb ANYTHING thats 4-d would automatically grant 4-d absorption.
The fact that his almighty got upgraded after absorbing him literally proves that point..
And no, that's because the soul king had 4-d powernull while yhwach had 3-d powernull.
Which like i said before yhwach gained after absorbing the soul king.
Mate, the almighty yhwach had pre soul king was not as strong as it was after, which was obviously indicated after he gained another pupil. He also gave his explanation of how the full capabilities of the almighty work, after absorbing the soul king.
It's not a lack of feats, the fact is that yhwach has all of his sternritters abilities, and has thought based hax.
If you don't like that fact, go make a CRT
Yhwach does resist sealing
Did goku actually merge with TokiToki or?
Tf is IZ GG supposed to mean?
Can you provide the thread where you're getting this information about soul manipulation btw?
With that i know, soul manipulation and resistances had a revision a few months ago, and work through layering.
Yes that is how it works, yhwach absorbed a being with 4-d hax, to be able to absorb ANYTHING thats 4-d would automatically grant 4-d absorption.
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OP said both at their strongest then specified for Yhwach having sternitter abilities despite saying both at their strongest, he never did so for goku, so yes it's goku at his stongest without an optional equipment.
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let me ask you smth
How would Yhwach know to use Fate Hax to change the Future to stop Goku from summoning when he can’t see Acausal 4 beings?
A majority of Bleach cast doesn’t resist Fate Hax, you didn’t he Yhwach spamming Fate Hax for every individual action they took only actions against him. In the case of summons however it would be too late as Yhwach CANT Precog Acausal 4 beings so him Precog would only make him see Goku doing nth substantial so why would he change the future? And once summons enter the field Yhwach can’t use Fate Hax to get rid of them
Hellscream
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Yhwach passively powernulls any ability he sees being used, which would null the summoning from taking effect in the first place, he doesn't need to see the acausal being.
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Well then OP needs to specify if Keysword is usable of restricted then?
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Yes.
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How would he Powernull that which he can’t see? If the summoning is activated then the summons are already there. Something still needs to happen in the future for Yhwach to null it. He can’t null nth happening
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Then let’s put the match on hold til he does
Or better yet close the match since a new one with more specific rules have been made
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How can he not see the ability or effect which is known as "summoning" being used, it'd just get nulled before he can even use it through his precog
Hellscream
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This is goku with keysword, i specified both characters at their strongest.
Hellscream
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Yhwach sees goku using his summoning ability or whatever it is> passively nulls it > being doesn't get summoned
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His fighting Goku not those beings not like they are already in the battlefield with them before he summons them, if Goku dosen't resist his hax he isn't allowed to Summon till he does unless you're trying to imply they would enter the battlefield themselves.
Of course and now it's goku against him in an individual battle against each other, yhwach isn't Precog Goku not them, once they do yes but goku needs to resist yhwach hax first before he summons especially as summoning isn't even his first move.
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What's stopping Ywhach from getting Power Nulled himself
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Can you put it in OP.
Hellscream
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If you can prove that his powernull is better than the almighty, then sure
I don't see anything about the keysword being acausal though, and nothing about 4-d fate hax resistance
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Not for Depowered soul king
It’s not specified to be there so no
No it simply means the soul king had a higher layered 3-D Powernull than Yhwachs resistance could withstand.
Soul king while Depowered still doesn’t have almighty one profile and even if it did it STILL doesn’t prove 4-D absorption. That’s like saying that if someone absorbed Accelerator from Index they would have 11-D absorption. Being a 3-D being with 11-D Hax is STILL 3-D. any 3-D absorption will work on you just fine
Cute but when did he or they prove they can absorb 4-D beings or structures?It's not a lack of feats, the fact is that yhwach has all of his sternritters abilities, and has thought based hax.If you don't like that fact, go make a CRT
Not 4-D sealing. 3-D infinitely weaker than 4-D sealing
It’s something TT can do to whoever he chooses and yes.
Infinite Zamasu
Just ask ANYONE about Dimensional Potency
That was number potency NOT DIMENSIONAL potency
No it doesn’t lol
4-D absorption is being able to absorb 4-D beings and structures
Your argument would mean if I absorbed a 3-D being with 1-A Hax I would have 1-A absorption. I’m still absorbing 3-D being
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Watch out this guy probably power scales Fate characters, don't **** with this guy lol.
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Run before he finds your IP address.....unless it's too late
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De-powered Rei-O still has the Almighty, what the actual **** are you talking about? The profile doesn't say that he doesn't have it otherwise there'd be a "minus all of his abilities before." in the begging of his P&A section in his De-powered key so quit making shit up. Also the SK literally used the Almighty to foresee all the events that would happen in Bleach and decided not to act.
De-powered SK is just in a catatonic state. He still has The Almighty but there isn't really a point in using it due to him not wanting to intervene.
Also just stop with the 4-D Absorbtion argument. Yhwach's Absorbtion is 4-D for being able to utilize The Rei-O's more advanced Almighty upon assimilation, at the time Yhwach was only 3-D and gained an enhanced 4-D Almighty from absorbing the Rei-O (The Almighty is upgraded even further after absorbing the SK.) So kindly stop making shit up.
Your missing the point, Yhwach's Absorbtion is 4-D for gaining SK's advanced 4-D Almighty.
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Summoning is instant
If Goku starts it then the summons are already there. There is NO MOMENT in between instant that Yhwach can capatalize on to stop summons.
I like how we are even assuming Yhwach would stop the summoning from happening when he can’t see it happening because Yhwach changing the future against things he can’t even see nor perceive clearly happens very often
Your treating this as if if Goku moves a damn inch then Yhwach will just Fate Hax cause an inch of movement is something to worry about.
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Why is it not listed on the profile then?
thats reverse burden of proof sir. Something must be listed and if it isn’t then you don’t treat it as if it is there. You know it doesn’t take too much of an effort to add the thing to his profile if it really is suppose to be there
Then why the heck did someone put that as cosmic awareness then? It’s not my fault interpreting the profile as I clearly see it. He has a Depowered key tab and it DOESNT mention that it has Almighty. Is that my fault?
Then it should still be listed then
So can Yhwach absorb Timelines and Space-Time Continuums? Cause last I check you need to be able to absorb and actually 4-D structure or being. Your claim is the basically saying that Buu absorbing Beerus means he has 4-D absorption
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You know what
I already see this match is gonna get Chaotic and before it does I’m just gonna bounce
Just leave it be
The match can’t be added anyways since speed equalized immeasurable so whatever goes just goes
Cause if were making argument that absorbing a 3-D being with 4-D Hax means you can absorb 4-D structures and timelines (since that’s what 4-D absorption can do) then I’ve seen enough to know where this will go
I already see this match is gonna get Chaotic and before it does I’m just gonna bounce
Just leave it be
The match can’t be added anyways since speed equalized immeasurable so whatever goes just goes
Cause if were making argument that absorbing a 3-D being with 4-D Hax means you can absorb 4-D structures and timelines (since that’s what 4-D absorption can do) then I’ve seen enough to know where this will go
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Not sure why, but within the same token the profile doesn't state that he lost the ability either, as otherwise there would be a "minus the previous abilities." In front of his Depowered P&A section since that's how we denounce the former abilities of character in different keys.
First of all how ******* DARE you call me sir. You insult me like a man, dammit boy.
I'm fully aware that it doesn't take long but within the same token I'm not responsible for the state of the profile so I'd appreciate you not giving me grief over the profile not being reflected the best whenever I'm not the one whom edited it. Anyway, that's now how the burden of proof works, that entire argument is instantly dismantled upon realizing the fact that there is no "minus the former abilities." meaning he still indeed has them, the profile just does a bad job at reflecting it properly.
Uhhh no, because Buu doesn't gain the abilities of character he absorbs. That comparison falls flat because it isn't similar to Yhwach absorbing someone and getting 4-D abilities from them.
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You're literally the only guy here who said Absorbtion can do that. 4-D isn't only achieved via timelines, we're saying he can absorb 4-D abilities for being able to absorb, well 4-D abilities.
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This thread is pure chaos...
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Ohhhh now I see what’s going on here
That’s 4-D POWER absorption
I was talking about PHYSICAL absorption which would still be 3-D
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Then how is it my fault for interpreting the page as it is?
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Yeah it's gucci, mistakes happen. Look at @Arc7Kuroi for example.
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Incon, they can't really kill one another as far as I'm aware since if Goku's resistances are all 4-D that takes a lot away from Yhwach but Goku can't ever hope to actually kill Yhwach due to High-Godly and layered ass immortality.
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The argument I made against that is Summons
Other argued that Yhwach would change fate to prevent the summons
But I argue…. How would he know to change fate against beings he can’t precog
That’s giving Yhwach skill I’ve never seen him displayed. I mean him basically anticipating that Goku would summon beings that his own Precog can’t detect and knowing to change the future before their even summoned when Yhwach doesn’t even know what Goku is up to or what he’s trying to do
That’s basically giving Yhwach Paranoia to Spam fate has against the slightest movements that Goku would make
How realistic is that in all honesty
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True Enough
My wincon for Goku was with sealing
Yhwach doesn’t resist sealing IIRC and even if he does the Sealing the Keysword and Summons have is both 4-D and Layered
HGR and Immortality won’t stop sealing from happening
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That’s his whole character.
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Why you always cry when i see you
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If it really is IC for Yhwach to spam changing the future if Goku’s Leg twitches in the slightest angle then yeah. Likely he won’t get summons off and they just end up in an incon loop with fate changing the moment Goku feels like moving an inch and Yhwach pretty much can’t do anything else
My only counter to Fate Hax would be that Goku has DD so he can always just passive null Yhwach with that since he doesn’t resist stamina Hax and then go for summoning or sealing
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So like can someone make a list of both characters wincon?
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