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Yhwach, Destroyer of Worlds (Bleach God Tier Revision)
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Let's give him a second.
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can i have a scan of this
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Eh I’d be fine with that I guess.
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and is it an arguable case that this is low 2-c .... Didn't somebody come out and really question why world of living is not "absolutely" low 2-c ....
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Infinite time flow is implied, which should definitely be sufficient for the universal continuum (space-time continuum, i.e. all time points) (even talking about the past, but that doesn't matter)
Universally sized, a kind of reference to our universe (size does not need to be infinite.)
I wonder how much more proof does it take to make it low 2-C?
Universally sized, a kind of reference to our universe (size does not need to be infinite.)
I wonder how much more proof does it take to make it low 2-C?
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ok so
to start since this seems the mega priority rn
Yhwach's merge attempt from both angles:
Dangai Attempt
Consider this inverse cosmology model. It shows SS, Dangai, and Wotl
The dangai is in-between of both realms, but is disconnected from in the it is not part of their space and time. Now consider the visual depiction of the merge.
its an energy aoe spreading out. We know from cant fear your own world the boundary between the worlds will be removed from this event, given tokinada's statement contextually refers to ichigo's defeat of yhwach, which is this fight.
Refer to this specific post for that.
https://vsbattles.com/threads/yhwac...-bleach-god-tier-revision.116084/post-3747259
Since dangai is split from SS, where the aoe starts, the burst needs to rip through the realm itself at bare minimum to get to it.
This means the planet at bare minimum would be destoyed, and most likely the ss realm at least.
This is supported by this scene in 683
The soul society would perish, with energy unleashed. A planet interpretation at the very minimum is required for the dangai version to work.
For this option, Planet to possibly uni via ss size, but planet at the bare minimum.
Garganta Option
As explained in the post above, garganta is defined at the "fabric that keeps the dimensions apart". This is is essentially what the boundary does, which is keep the worlds apart. This is consistent with the statement it also protects the kyogoku (reishi spaces around it (the stronghold mentioned in this passage is a kyogoku):
The dangai has the statement of being the boundary, true. However this early in bleach's story before Kubo introduced garganta and Hueco Mundo. Hueco mundo is not intertwined with the dangai, it can only be accessed via garganta.
as for the notion only a "portion of garganta has to be destroyed"
We are told things will return to primordial soup. This is a direct nod to what the original universe was like before:
The complete original universe. Nuking a section of the garganta would not make everything in it become primordial soup. Also while not the same feat, yhwach's killing of reio originally was confirmed to be able remove garganta, not just a section. For yhwach to repeat an attempt at ending everything (this time himself via raw power, but only a section seems unlikely.
As above, the bare minimum is planet busting. Realm burst has to also happen for the energy to spill into garganta. destruction of the garganta brings us back to my original proposal: At least Planet, possibly Universal to Universal+ for peak yhwach
to start since this seems the mega priority rn
Yhwach's merge attempt from both angles:
Dangai Attempt
Consider this inverse cosmology model. It shows SS, Dangai, and Wotl
The dangai is in-between of both realms, but is disconnected from in the it is not part of their space and time. Now consider the visual depiction of the merge.
its an energy aoe spreading out. We know from cant fear your own world the boundary between the worlds will be removed from this event, given tokinada's statement contextually refers to ichigo's defeat of yhwach, which is this fight.
Refer to this specific post for that.
https://vsbattles.com/threads/yhwac...-bleach-god-tier-revision.116084/post-3747259
Since dangai is split from SS, where the aoe starts, the burst needs to rip through the realm itself at bare minimum to get to it.
This means the planet at bare minimum would be destoyed, and most likely the ss realm at least.
This is supported by this scene in 683
The soul society would perish, with energy unleashed. A planet interpretation at the very minimum is required for the dangai version to work.
For this option, Planet to possibly uni via ss size, but planet at the bare minimum.
Garganta Option
As explained in the post above, garganta is defined at the "fabric that keeps the dimensions apart". This is is essentially what the boundary does, which is keep the worlds apart. This is consistent with the statement it also protects the kyogoku (reishi spaces around it (the stronghold mentioned in this passage is a kyogoku):
The dangai has the statement of being the boundary, true. However this early in bleach's story before Kubo introduced garganta and Hueco Mundo. Hueco mundo is not intertwined with the dangai, it can only be accessed via garganta.
as for the notion only a "portion of garganta has to be destroyed"
We are told things will return to primordial soup. This is a direct nod to what the original universe was like before:
The complete original universe. Nuking a section of the garganta would not make everything in it become primordial soup. Also while not the same feat, yhwach's killing of reio originally was confirmed to be able remove garganta, not just a section. For yhwach to repeat an attempt at ending everything (this time himself via raw power, but only a section seems unlikely.
As above, the bare minimum is planet busting. Realm burst has to also happen for the energy to spill into garganta. destruction of the garganta brings us back to my original proposal: At least Planet, possibly Universal to Universal+ for peak yhwach
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everything else will have to wait. I have family stuff to attend to for a bit
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Take ur time sir, IRL is more important than fictional debate
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Understandable, take your time with it.
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I questioned it many times ... and there were others who claimed to be 2Cs
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I think an "At least 5-B, possibly 3-A to Low 2-C" should be fine. In both AP and durability.
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5-A, no?
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yea, since at minimum it was the destruction of 2/3 planets
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Exactly what I was talking about. Ichigo had been holding back massively throughout the entirety of the War Arc once he had his true powers released.
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Again?
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Context provided by Novels
Ill repost my earlier responses:
Tokinada's statement on the boundary removal
Tokinada here is stating that if ichigo not Defeated Yhwach the boundary would have been destroyed. Reio is not mentioned in this scene. Here tokinada is expressing displeasure that no one konw of ichigo's accomplishment and will never know.
If it's reference to Reio dying, recall ichigo failed miserably at that, twice. he killed reio and couldn't stop mimihagi's absorption as well.
Contextually this is referiing to ichigo's final fight with yhwach, not prior events.
Likewise, 684 shows this event was going top be caused by pure energy
Yhwach's plan argument
His original intention on panel is letting Reio die, sure, After that though, Askin makes it clear yhwach will destroy all three worlds
In chapter 680, yhwach performs his mass absorption. It is here clear by his dialogue that only can he achieve his goal directly:
While under kyoka suigetsu, he demonstrates yet again its via an energy aoe spreading outward
Is this Consistent for Yhwach?
Just going to respond rather than quote for this do to the length:
It was never a case of "feels right", but rather indications left by both the novel and manga. In hindsight this section isnt the most important, to that i agree.
I did note it could be either or for yhwach being the son or a fragment, The manga calls him the "child of", so there is that.
I will agree this quote doesnt objectively indicate "100% of prime reio's power", however it cant just mean only WSK, as he had mimihagi's power and all of gerard's power.
As for "low 2c pieces cant become lower", this happens all the time in fiction. Higher dimensional beings even cant get nerfed to lower tiers. Prime reio was left horrendously depowered by what the 5 families did to him. The piece individually can very in power (pernida or fragments in the novel). However we rate WSK as unknown alongside mimihagi's ap. I'm not arguing gerard individually is low 2-c, I'm arguing that sk being more complete than he is now isn't tier 6. We are shown what those 3 pieces together in yhwach's body can do, which is his merge feat.
Shikai kenpachi beating a single fragment is a non factor, its a singular piece only.
It was never a case of "feels right", but rather indications left by both the novel and manga. In hindsight this section isnt the most important, to that i agree.
I did note it could be either or for yhwach being the son or a fragment, The manga calls him the "child of", so there is that.
I will agree this quote doesnt objectively indicate "100% of prime reio's power", however it cant just mean only WSK, as he had mimihagi's power and all of gerard's power.
As for "low 2c pieces cant become lower", this happens all the time in fiction. Higher dimensional beings even cant get nerfed to lower tiers. Prime reio was left horrendously depowered by what the 5 families did to him. The piece individually can very in power (pernida or fragments in the novel). However we rate WSK as unknown alongside mimihagi's ap. I'm not arguing gerard individually is low 2-c, I'm arguing that sk being more complete than he is now isn't tier 6. We are shown what those 3 pieces together in yhwach's body can do, which is his merge feat.
Shikai kenpachi beating a single fragment is a non factor, its a singular piece only.
Environmental Destruction and other Counters
to qoute Imade here:
"Now that it (the Soul King) is gone, not just Soul Society, but all that is connected to it (the Soul King), the Dangai, Hueco Mundo and the World of the Living it will all collapse."
Notice that the first "it" is referring to the Soul King himself.
Reio is the previous subject, the continuing sentence follows the previous subject unless changed, which it doesn't since it doesn't change the subject as the sentence continues with "it"; therefore, referring to the previous subject since it is continuing.
Also, the following sentence literally begins "Now that it is gone," which can only refer to the Soul King. The Soul King is gone because Ichigo killed it, Soul Society isn't gone yet and it's literally following after the comma mentioning Soul Society. Soul Society isn't "it" as it is not the subject that is continued and is even mentioned after the comma.
the subject in the line is the Soul King and the portion "not just the Soul Society" is a clause of additional information.
Subjects don't change unless the verb changes.
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Plus, Hueco Mundo isn't directly connected to the Soul Society. There a few statements of it being between ss and wotl (though this isnt shown by kisuke's inverse model), but it isnt dimensionally or physically connected to ss. The destruction of SS only doesnt support the destruction of hueco mundo.
Reio sustaining all three makes far more sense, given he made hueco mundo.
Yamamoto's bankai is also stated to affect all water on the soul society. he has an accepted calc for that. It can still be used to damage the planet over time.
Flow of Souls
addressed in my post above. Doesnt change that the feat we are discussing the same as killing reio.
It does in the sense that Tokinada discover most of the history provided by the families was utter bs. It is the only direct statement regarding the subject and it is given by a family member who purposely would not give Tokinada factual information.
Also" all characters being liars" is a generalization and ignores context here. The 5 famailies have built the history of SS on mostly half truths and lies. The statement should considered at least somewhat dubious.
right but as just discussed, statement is at least somewhat dubious
if we accept this statement, it is not just merely "maintains", but rather Controls.
About the blanks/souls we are told in memoires of nobody that shinigami with enough training can weaponize the power of blanks/souls.
The cast out clan spent time in the dangai learning how to do this
https://4anime.to/bleach-movie-1-memories-of-nobody?id=10225 46:24
one of the clan members absorbs the souls directly, and ichigo says he is stronger than before, physically. Anyone with sufficient control can do this. If we are arguing reio has control over the soul cycle, then Yhwach would be able to do this as well. Literal fodder can weapon souls as energy. Quincies flatout absorb reishi (spiritual matter), can do so to entire hollows, which are still souls.
As for range, the entire flow is stated to be universal in scope, (makes sense given the distance it encompasses in the cosmology). Again, if we accept this statement reio would have universal range or more to control this entire thing. There is absolutely no reason yhwach in reio's place cannot just yank energy from the soul cycle.
Should also mention, if environmental destruction via the flow is argued, that creates plot holes as well. Yhwach was fully capable of thought, and was not forced to maintain the flow. At any time, can cause a collapse except doesnt and explicitly absorbs raw power to later perform the feat himself instead
The Almighty and other issues
The end chapter sketches provide a plethora of insight into Kubo’s mindset and directly connected to what is currently going on with the current state of the manga (the end chapter sketch of Uryu saving the Arrancar girl was even adapted into the anime, for example).
A scale has been used to represent the universe before (Not the same design but still). the sketches start building up to yhwach's final absorption and end on the same chapter as his merge attempt. In sequence its just showing what that entails, nothing more.
The folder with the scene for anyone who wishes to view it.
Discussed to death in this thread.
on page 396 of CFYOW III in the Japanese version: "無限に広がる黒腔の中を彷徨い続け"
無限に is a common phrase regarding 無限 (the kanji for infinite/infinity), in which it means to infinite or to infinity.
広がる is the verb to extend/to spread/to fill out. To extend obviously being a verb used to describe the size of something.
黒腔の中 means inside the Garganta, 黒腔 = Garganta, 中 = inside where の connects inside to Garganta.
を is a verb particle, 彷徨い続け means to prowl, prowl meaning wandering around usually with some sort of intent.
Japanese sentence structure is inverse from English. So together you have : "To prowl within the Garganta spreading/extending to infinity" in a more clean English sounding translation you might see it as "Wandering inside the infinite Garganta".
reaffirmed by the on site translator:
Tokinda’s Statement on The Soul King Destroying / Reshaping The World
In regards to this:
So for the tokinada statement about creating a world/destroying, he is referring to ginjo undergoing a process. Ginjo isnt that level already, so no contradiction. You pretty much touched on the process, but i dont think that means they inherent reallity warping is what destroying/reshaping means. Every time a restructure/creation has been done, its always been stated to be via power. Hogyoku can amp the person exposed to it (example aizen), so i think that they would reach that level regarding the statement.
So for the tokinada statement about creating a world/destroying, he is referring to ginjo undergoing a process. Ginjo isnt that level already, so no contradiction. You pretty much touched on the process, but i dont think that means they inherent reallity warping is what destroying/reshaping means. Every time a restructure/creation has been done, its always been stated to be via power. Hogyoku can amp the person exposed to it (example aizen), so i think that they would reach that level regarding the statement.
Other Stuff
Mugetsu is referred to as “the ultimate move” in regards to anything seen thus far (Up to Aizen’s defeat). This would by virtue include Senna’s explosion feat, since it happened well before Mugetsu was shown:
"The ultimate move given by his father! A victory at the cost of the lost of his powers": Ichigo Isshin are in the in-between world in order to learn the supreme move wich is the Ultimate Getsuga Tenshô. in this space denser than thee external world , they have a lot of time ahead.”
全てを超越したその姿は、死神でも虚でもない、異形の姿だ った。
The figure transcending everything isn’t like a Shinigami or Hollow, the figure is fantastic/grotesque.
Mugetsu lore wise was the strongest move or attack done pre fullbringer timeskip. Is main selling point is ap. My argument for it upscaling above's senna's small planet explosion (or if its supposed to be the full realms that she stopped) hasnt been addressed.
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drained.
gonna sleep
gonna sleep
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oh right
still pushing for planet at bare minimum.
Possibly uni/uni+
basically what duedate proposed here a while back
still pushing for planet at bare minimum.
Possibly uni/uni+
basically what duedate proposed here a while back
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1. Dangai doesn’t connect to Hueco Mundo, as Hollows are cleansed in that world and go to Soul Society they do not go through Dangai. You use Garganta to travel to Hueco Mundo. In conclusion souls don’t go through Dangai to reach Soul Society. They are teleported via Zanpakutou.
2. Yhwach planned to survive the destruction of the worlds and create a new one, as he “feared death” which was his entire story arc.
3. Destroying the Dangai wouldn’t had done anything since the worlds don’t have a physical boundary that holds them together as we saw in Memories of Nobody when the Valley of Screams where exploding in the Garganta.
If you insists that Dangai is the boundary we need a Japanese raw translation for that scan because Viz could had mess up again. And since you agreed in the past that Viz isn’t reliable we shouldn’t discard the possibility.
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About that ... we can because we were given the size of Dangai (those are the universes) and told that it has its own time and space.
^^^The Dangai isn’t a physical wall or tunnel between the dimensions. Is not there. ^^^
This makes this “universe” tilt this way and the Soul Society begins to spill into this world. Which means the other universe.
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Actually what he says is that there could be more about what he said, or maybe not. Like I’ll expand on it if I want too.
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Context provided by Novels
Ill repost my earlier responses:
Tokinada's statement on the boundary removal
Tokinada here is stating that if ichigo not Defeated Yhwach the boundary would have been destroyed. Reio is not mentioned in this scene. Here tokinada is expressing displeasure that no one konw of ichigo's accomplishment and will never know.
If it's reference to Reio dying, recall ichigo failed miserably at that, twice. he killed reio and couldn't stop mimihagi's absorption as well.
Contextually this is referiing to ichigo's final fight with yhwach, not prior events.
Likewise, 684 shows this event was going top be caused by pure energy
Yhwach's plan argument
His original intention on panel is letting Reio die, sure, After that though, Askin makes it clear yhwach will destroy all three worlds
In chapter 680, yhwach performs his mass absorption. It is here clear by his dialogue that only can he achieve his goal directly:
While under kyoka suigetsu, he demonstrates yet again its via an energy aoe spreading outward
Is this Consistent for Yhwach?
Just going to respond rather than quote for this do to the length:
It was never a case of "feels right", but rather indications left by both the novel and manga. In hindsight this section isnt the most important, to that i agree.
I did note it could be either or for yhwach being the son or a fragment, The manga calls him the "child of", so there is that.
I will agree this quote doesnt objectively indicate "100% of prime reio's power", however it cant just mean only WSK, as he had mimihagi's power and all of gerard's power.
As for "low 2c pieces cant become lower", this happens all the time in fiction. Higher dimensional beings even cant get nerfed to lower tiers. Prime reio was left horrendously depowered by what the 5 families did to him. The piece individually can very in power (pernida or fragments in the novel). However we rate WSK as unknown alongside mimihagi's ap. I'm not arguing gerard individually is low 2-c, I'm arguing that sk being more complete than he is now isn't tier 6. We are shown what those 3 pieces together in yhwach's body can do, which is his merge feat.
Shikai kenpachi beating a single fragment is a non factor, its a singular piece only.Environmental Destruction and other Counters
to qoute Imade here:
"Now that it (the Soul King) is gone, not just Soul Society, but all that is connected to it (the Soul King), the Dangai, Hueco Mundo and the World of the Living it will all collapse."
Notice that the first "it" is referring to the Soul King himself.
Reio is the previous subject, the continuing sentence follows the previous subject unless changed, which it doesn't since it doesn't change the subject as the sentence continues with "it"; therefore, referring to the previous subject since it is continuing.
Also, the following sentence literally begins "Now that it is gone," which can only refer to the Soul King. The Soul King is gone because Ichigo killed it, Soul Society isn't gone yet and it's literally following after the comma mentioning Soul Society. Soul Society isn't "it" as it is not the subject that is continued and is even mentioned after the comma.
the subject in the line is the Soul King and the portion "not just the Soul Society" is a clause of additional information.
Subjects don't change unless the verb changes.
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Plus, Hueco Mundo isn't directly connected to the Soul Society. There a few statements of it being between ss and wotl (though this isnt shown by kisuke's inverse model), but it isnt dimensionally or physically connected to ss. The destruction of SS only doesnt support the destruction of hueco mundo.
Reio sustaining all three makes far more sense, given he made hueco mundo.
Yamamoto's bankai is also stated to affect all water on the soul society. he has an accepted calc for that. It can still be used to damage the planet over time.Flow of Souls
addressed in my post above. Doesnt change that the feat we are discussing the same as killing reio.
It does in the sense that Tokinada discover most of the history provided by the families was utter bs. It is the only direct statement regarding the subject and it is given by a family member who purposely would not give Tokinada factual information.
Also" all characters being liars" is a generalization and ignores context here. The 5 famailies have built the history of SS on mostly half truths and lies. The statement should considered at least somewhat dubious.
right but as just discussed, statement is at least somewhat dubious
if we accept this statement, it is not just merely "maintains", but rather Controls.
About the blanks/souls we are told in memoires of nobody that shinigami with enough training can weaponize the power of blanks/souls.
The cast out clan spent time in the dangai learning how to do this
https://4anime.to/bleach-movie-1-memories-of-nobody?id=10225 46:24
one of the clan members absorbs the souls directly, and ichigo says he is stronger than before, physically. Anyone with sufficient control can do this. If we are arguing reio has control over the soul cycle, then Yhwach would be able to do this as well. Literal fodder can weapon souls as energy. Quincies flatout absorb reishi (spiritual matter), can do so to entire hollows, which are still souls.
As for range, the entire flow is stated to be universal in scope, (makes sense given the distance it encompasses in the cosmology). Again, if we accept this statement reio would have universal range or more to control this entire thing. There is absolutely no reason yhwach in reio's place cannot just yank energy from the soul cycle.
Should also mention, if environmental destruction via the flow is argued, that creates plot holes as well. Yhwach was fully capable of thought, and was not forced to maintain the flow. At any time, can cause a collapse except doesnt and explicitly absorbs raw power to later perform the feat himself insteadThe Almighty and other issues
The end chapter sketches provide a plethora of insight into Kubo’s mindset and directly connected to what is currently going on with the current state of the manga (the end chapter sketch of Uryu saving the Arrancar girl was even adapted into the anime, for example).
A scale has been used to represent the universe before (Not the same design but still). the sketches start building up to yhwach's final absorption and end on the same chapter as his merge attempt. In sequence its just showing what that entails, nothing more.
The folder with the scene for anyone who wishes to view it.
Discussed to death in this thread.
on page 396 of CFYOW III in the Japanese version: "無限に広がる黒腔の中を彷徨い続け"
無限に is a common phrase regarding 無限 (the kanji for infinite/infinity), in which it means to infinite or to infinity.
広がる is the verb to extend/to spread/to fill out. To extend obviously being a verb used to describe the size of something.
黒腔の中 means inside the Garganta, 黒腔 = Garganta, 中 = inside where の connects inside to Garganta.
を is a verb particle, 彷徨い続け means to prowl, prowl meaning wandering around usually with some sort of intent.
Japanese sentence structure is inverse from English. So together you have : "To prowl within the Garganta spreading/extending to infinity" in a more clean English sounding translation you might see it as "Wandering inside the infinite Garganta".
reaffirmed by the on site translator:
Tokinda’s Statement on The Soul King Destroying / Reshaping The World
In regards to this:
So for the tokinada statement about creating a world/destroying, he is referring to ginjo undergoing a process. Ginjo isnt that level already, so no contradiction. You pretty much touched on the process, but i dont think that means they inherent reallity warping is what destroying/reshaping means. Every time a restructure/creation has been done, its always been stated to be via power. Hogyoku can amp the person exposed to it (example aizen), so i think that they would reach that level regarding the statement.
Other Stuff
Mugetsu is referred to as “the ultimate move” in regards to anything seen thus far (Up to Aizen’s defeat). This would by virtue include Senna’s explosion feat, since it happened well before Mugetsu was shown:
"The ultimate move given by his father! A victory at the cost of the lost of his powers": Ichigo Isshin are in the in-between world in order to learn the supreme move wich is the Ultimate Getsuga Tenshô. in this space denser than thee external world , they have a lot of time ahead.”
全てを超越したその姿は、死神でも虚でもない、異形の姿だ った。
The figure transcending everything isn’t like a Shinigami or Hollow, the figure is fantastic/grotesque.
Mugetsu lore wise was the strongest move or attack done pre fullbringer timeskip. Is main selling point is ap. My argument for it upscaling above's senna's small planet explosion (or if its supposed to be the full realms that she stopped) hasnt been addressed.
Good Counter!
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....so waking up now....Defense Attorneys seem to have holded off nicely. So what are the most threatening arguements from Prosecution??
Going to join in on the defense shortly....
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I wrote this earlier but got no response to my comment so i'll say it again. the 5-B stuff needs to go. the overwhelming evidence points to universal level and planetary isn't a lowball at this point, it's just straight up wrong and contradicts the reasons for accepting universal. You can't have it both ways.
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The 5-B stuff is pure bullshit. IT's just a disingenous attempt to appear understanding and to reach for a middle ground. The people proposing it don't actually believe it. And if it goes through (it won't) they'll just make another thread down the line asking to remove it so they'll be straight up Low 2-C.
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From what ive seen so far and anyone can correct me, there will be no agreement because it will lead to a scaling chain that will upgrade other characters that some people dont agree with that, if it was a specific feat for lets say Prime Reio that no one scales to, I dont think there will be any problems
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Calm down, no need for the language former mod.
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Matt with all due respect, didn't you agree to compromise with the upgrades when they initially happened, only to immediately work toward downgrading everything while even going as far as to make backhanded comments on the matter and the supporters' evidence, leading up to the downgrade?
It just feels like you're being unfair and hypocritical when you make inflammatory statements like this..
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Yeah don’t wanna derail this but there are definitely certain people who should refrain from involving themselves in bleach threads. Also to add on that one of those same people was ok with the universal stuff when it was only the Almighty doing it but when they’re proved wrong they say that they couldn’t do it at all now
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If somebody knows where to get the raw for the page, that would be good.
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Oh, so now we care about raws.
Ridiculous.
Ridiculous.
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What are you complaining about? It's been a consistent position on the wiki to rely on the official translation first, and then investigate the raws for clarification in case there is uncertainty.
In this case, AppleLord has raised an uncertainty regarding the translation. So the only way to investigate this further and provide clarification for them is to get the raws examined.
So what exactly is your problem? Because if you're just whining and spamming the thread for no good reason then your comment might as well be deleted.
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This is completely false. Beside the fact that, if that would be case I would argue directly low 2c.
The thing is, as explained, you have to quantify a feat for Yhwach Of a certain degree that scale to him, even believing in the lowest possible interpretation it will lead to planet level results to even start something of that magnitude given what we see in the panel when the feat start;
taking it at face value, given also novel context lead to low 2c. (also Senna feat exists for both scenario)
thus, the scaling proposed. It was explained in both the OP and along the thread, but you probably didn’t even read it, as well the people that think “planet level” is wrong, need actually to look at the panel and see what Yhwach was doing in first place.
And for sure, I will not be the one to make upgrade thread, I genuinely believe in this solution as scaling.
Either way the ones that have so trouble to accept a feat for Yhwach despite what it is shown visually and what is stated, are certainly not us or basically every normal member on this wiki, even Warren agreed to this scaling When he was a staff member, and he was the only one supporting Bleach.
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