Yggdrasil BDE Type 2 (God of War)

[Georredannea15]

Okay, we're starting again. I hope it ends well.

This would actually be a fairly simple revision.

Every strand of Yggdrasil transcends the space and time and is independent of it.

When Yggdrasil existed, time and space did not exist yet .Only the branches and Bifrost light, which transcend space - time and are independent, are little bits of Yggdrasil.

Realm rifts and other events affecting the 9 realms and 9 separate space-times do not affect Yggdrasil. Even its minor aspects are superior to space-time.

Type 2: Characters whose nature is defined by lacking spatiotemporal features and being superior to them in nature. These characters aren't necessarily superior to spacetime on every level, but just within the scope which they are shown. Due to transcending this spacetime they are immune to Spatial Manipulation and Time Manipulation of it. They furthermore inherit any benefits of Type 1.

Based on the statements above, Yggdrasil should take BDE Type 2.

Note: As written above on the BDE page, BDE Type 2 does not need to be superior and independent/lack of "all space-time levels". Simply being superior and independent/lack of a certain space-time level is basically sufficient for BDE Type 2.

 

[Barbar01]

certain space-time level is basically sufficient for BDE Type 2.

If this is true I cant see reason not to give a BDE

 

[Georredannea15]

If this is true I cant see reason not to give a BDE

So yeah, I wrote the Type 2 explanation to the OP, quoting the BDE page. I need wait to staffs.

 

[LuffyRuffy46307]

That seems too simple to me, I definitely agree with that.

 

[Planck69]

Neutral, leaning on agree. I'll see what more knowledgeable staff have to say.

@LephyrTheRevanchist @Maverick_Zero_X @Theglassman12 @KLOL506 @GilverTheProtoAngelo @KingTempest @Elizhaa @Celestial_Pegasus

Any input would be appreciated.

 

[LephyrTheRevanchist]

Honestly seems straightforward to me. Indeed, even when peeps do realm shifts, it does nothing to Yggdrasil, that's the biggest proof.

Only thing against it is how the destruction of Asgard started messing some stuff iirc, which suggest that at some level, it can get affected, which I think would at the lowest be BDE Type 1.

 

[Roirr]

Seems good ı agree

 

[Georredannea15]

Honestly seems straightforward to me. Indeed, even when peeps do realm shifts, it does nothing to Yggdrasil, that's the biggest proof.

Only thing against it is how the destruction of Asgard started messing some stuff iirc, which suggest that at some level, it can get affected, which I think would at the lowest be BDE Type 1.

The reason Asgard's destruction affected Yggdrasil was because Surtr shook completely effected Yggdrasil's core when he hit Asgard. This attack completely shook Yggdrasil and the 9 realms (It's an AP feat.) This was the reason why Yggdrasil was affected. Nothing else was affecting Yggdrasil in space-time, existence or reality. (Realm rifts, Fimbulwinter, Prophecies, Ymir's dead, Heimdall's realm shift...)

 

[AKUTO123]

Agree

 

[LephyrTheRevanchist]

The reason Asgard's destruction affected Yggdrasil was because Surtr shook completely effected Yggdrasil's core when he hit Asgard. This attack completely shook Yggdrasil and the 9 realms (It's an AP feat.) This was the reason why Yggdrasil was affected. Nothing else was affecting Yggdrasil in space-time, existence or reality. (Realm rifts, Fimbulwinter, Prophecies, Ymir's dead, Heimdall's realm shift...)

Yeah, which means the space-time destruction of a realm affected it. Basically, it takes an extreme event that has to shake the tree to its foundation to affect it through space-time, which is why at the absolute least I can see type 1.

But overall, I do support type 2.

 

[Akagami_Shanks1]

i agree

 

[KLOL506]

I honestly am not the best person to ask for BDE Type stuff. I'll wait to see what the other tagged people think of it.

 

[Eseseso]

Agree

 

[LephyrTheRevanchist]

Basically, to explain this as easy as possible:

Yggdrasil acts as a canvas of sorts. The realms are like blotches of paint on it. The paint can leave marks (their existence upon it), but the canvas overall doesn't get affected. You can extend the paint, erase it or change it for other paints (realm shifts, etc). But that still doesn't affect the canvas overall, it's still functioning as intended, holding the total images that the paints create (the realms and their space-times).

It's only when you forcefully grab a part of the canvas to completely tear off one of the images (the destruction of asgard) or erase it so hard it strips little pieces that it finally starts warping the canvas.

But the nature remains the same anyways. The canvas is completely apart from the paint, even while connected intrinsically.

 

[Georredannea15]

Yeah, which means the space-time destruction of a realm affected it. Basically, it takes an extreme event that has to shake the tree to its foundation to affect it through space-time, which is why at the absolute least I can see type 1.

The destruction/effecting of space time does not directly affect Yggdrasil. Thor and Surtr's attacks were so powerful that they shook the tree of Life to its core, an AP feat that not only affected the 9 realms, also Yggdrasil.

If their AP wasn't high enough to affect Yggdrasil, Yggdrasil wouldn't be affected by the shaking of the 9 realms (A little information, time breaks occurred because Yggdrasil was splintered, if Yggdrasil hadn't been splintered these situations wouldn't have happened)

 

[KLOL506]

TBF, Thor and Jormie did shake the 9 Realms once without affecting the Tree itself two centuries before GoW2018. Ragnarok is where Thor directly cracks the tree with the force of his blow without doing anything to Asgard in turn, hurling Jormie through time.

Ya don't gotta do anything to the realm to affect the tree itself.

 

[Georredannea15]

TBF, Thor and Jormie did shake the 9 Realms once without affecting the Tree itself two centuries before GoW2018. Ragnarok is where Thor directly cracks the tree with the force of his blow without doing anything to Asgard in turn, hurling Jormie through time.

Ya don't gotta do anything to the realm to affect the tree itself.

That's not what I mean. Any attack on the 9 Realms will not affect Yggdrasil. However, if Yggdrasil is shattered, the 9 realms and space-time can be affected

In short, affecting space-time does not "indirectly" affect Yggdrasil, but affecting Yggdrasil can "indirectly" affect the 9 realms and the structure of space-time.

 

[Sniper670]

This is BDE 2
BDE 2 is low 1C

 

[KLOL506]

This is BDE 2
BDE 2 is low 1C

There is no Low 1-C.

Low 1-C got nuked eons ago. There are no size-comparison statements for Low 1-C Yggdrasil to fly.

And no, the "infinitely-long branches" statement does not count. It needs to be more blatant than that, like KH or Bayonetta.

 

[Georredannea15]

This is BDE 2
BDE 2 is low 1C

Nah, BDE Type 2 doesn't need qualitative transcendence.

BDE Type 2 = To be independent/lack and superior to space-time. It doesn't have to be qualitative superiority.

 

[Georredannea15]

There is no Low 1-C.

Low 1-C got nuked eons ago. There are no size-comparison statements for Low 1-C Yggdrasil to fly.

And no, the "infinitely-long branches" statement does not count. It needs to be more blatant than that, like KH or Bayonetta.

In fact, the reason KH flies is because KH has a 2-A structure. So not because it's a "size" comparison.

 

[KLOL506]

@LephyrTheRevanchist @Planck69 @Theglassman12 BDE Type 2 does not guarantee qualitative superiority to grant Low 1-C, right?

 

[Sniper670]

Nah, BDE Type 2 doesn't need qualitative transcendence.

BDE Type 2 = To be independent and superior to space-time. It doesn't have to be qualitative superiority.

Type 2: Characters whose nature is defined by lacking spatiotemporal features and being superior to them in nature. These characters aren't necessarily superior to spacetime on every level, but just within the scope which they are shown. Due to transcending this spacetime they are immune to Spatial Manipulation and Time Manipulation of it. They furthermore inherit any benefits of Type 1.

Yes, so anything beyond a 4D structure structure is 5D, not 4.5D

 

[Georredannea15]

Type 2: Characters whose nature is defined by lacking spatiotemporal features and being superior to them in nature. These characters aren't necessarily superior to spacetime on every level, but just within the scope which they are shown. Due to transcending this spacetime they are immune to Spatial Manipulation and Time Manipulation of it. They furthermore inherit any benefits of Type 1.

Yes, so anything beyond a 4D structure structure is 5D

The statement "transcending space-time" here is very vague and this statement is not superior in quality. Read the entire page.

If the "transcending space-time" narrative alone sufficed for Low 1-C, Yggdrasil was now Low 1-C.

 

[KLOL506]

Nope. Not good enough. We tried that. Didn't go so well because of GoW Ragnarok. Low 1-C got kill. PERMANENTLY.

 

[Georredannea15]

Nope. Not good enough. We tried that. Didn't go so well.

I know. But he doesn't understand this.

 

[Sniper670]

Then no BDE 2 then. Because the idea of BDE is anyone with it is dimensionally superior to the dimension within its cosmology

 

[KLOL506]

I will wait for Staff to weigh on their input in this.

 

[Georredannea15]

Then no BDE 2 then. Because the idea of BDE is anyone with it is dimensionally superior to the dimension within its cosmology

No. BDE Type 1 = indepent of the effects of space and time, lack them/exist before them.

BDE Type 2= indepent, superior and lack/exist before the space and time.

 

[KLOL506]

No. BDE Type 1 = indepent of the effects of space and time.

BDE Type 2= indepent and superior of the space and time.

Like I said, let the staff decide this before we do anything else.

 

[Georredannea15]

Like I said, let the staff decide this before we do anything else.

Ofc.

 

[LephyrTheRevanchist]

@LephyrTheRevanchist @Planck69 @Theglassman12 BDE Type 2 does not guarantee qualitative superiority to grant Low 1-C, right?

Not necessarily, as you can transcend and not be qualitative superior

 

[KLOL506]

Not necessarily, as you can transcend and not be qualitative superior

Aight, so you can be BDE Type 2 while also not being Low 1-C, correct?

 

[LephyrTheRevanchist]

I will note: Maybe I'm just wrong overall, lol. To be 100% certain, naturally we would have to ask the tiering experts. But by the guidelines, seems you can be BDE type 2 to a 4-D realm and not be 5-D.

 

[KLOL506]

I will note: Maybe I'm just wrong overall, lol. To be 100% certain, naturally we would have to ask the tiering experts. But by the guidelines, seems you can be BDE type 2 to a 4-D realm and not be 5-D.

The BDE page also states the following:

Type 2: Characters whose nature is defined by lacking spatiotemporal features and being superior to them in nature. These characters aren't necessarily superior to spacetime on every level, but just within the scope which they are shown. Due to transcending this spacetime they are immune to Spatial Manipulation and Time Manipulation of it. They furthermore inherit any benefits of Type 1.

So does that mean you don't need Low 1-C to have BDE Type 2?

 

[Fixxed]

Yeah i always agree if it good for god of war

 

[Fixxed]

So does that mean you don't need Low 1-C to have BDE Type 2?

Yeah. BDE doesnt mean you in higher reality or higher infinity, it mean you unbound from space and time

 

[BestMGQScalerEver]

The BDE page also states the following:

Type 2: Characters whose nature is defined by lacking spatiotemporal features and being superior to them in nature. These characters aren't necessarily superior to spacetime on every level, but just within the scope which they are shown. Due to transcending this spacetime they are immune to Spatial Manipulation and Time Manipulation of it. They furthermore inherit any benefits of Type 1.

So does that mean you don't need Low 1-C to have BDE Type 2?

Not rly. It's saying that they are beyond scope of space-time within their verse just not on every level to where it would reach like low 1-A. But this is vague and probably still needs other staff input about it.

 

[Georredannea15]

Not rly. It's saying that they are beyond scope of space-time within their verse just not on every level to where it would reach like low 1-A. But this is vague and probably still needs other staff input about it.

We're still wait for more staffs. This discuss here is whether this superiority is qualitative, but there is not much similarity between BDE and qualitative transcendence. One is to be lack by its consequences, to be superior and independent, the other is to have a higher mathematical infinity.

 

[Bobsican]

In fact, the reason KH flies is because KH has a 2-A structure. So not because it's a "size" comparison.

Uh, not at all, the former 2-A ratings were what became the tier 1 stuff by recontextualizing it with the proper site's standards.
Low 1-C is merely more solid over there out of the tier 1 structure being directly being stated to be infinite, portrayed as larger than universes, and even downright called an hyperspace in relation to the universes.