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A FEW BEN 10 UPGRADES

ShionAH said:
Unicron literally beat him 💀

I am talking about his dimensionality, should have made that clear

I read both arguments, calling AX all powerful and a god is NOT enough to say he has ALL the powers and RESISTANCES.

Hard disagree
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Unicron beat him due to Mind hax. Not AP. Read the whole discussion.

The Argument comes from Asmuth saying that Alien X can do anything and he's fully aware of all the alien species in the Universe.

And where do you stand in regards to all the other abilities mentioned?
 
Celestial_Scaler25 said:
Unicron beat him
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Yep
Celestial_Scaler25 said:
The Argument comes from Asmuth saying that Alien X can do anything and he's fully aware of all the alien species in the Universe.
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Being able to do anything does not mean he has all the abilites or resistances. Hell even if we ignored NLF and said he can that would only grant him abilities not resistances lmao

Anyways like I said this is just wrong, “he can do anything!” is a hyperbole since AX is basically a god in the verse.
Celestial_Scaler25 said:
And where do you stand in regards to all the other abilities mentioned?
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respectfully, I dont care about the rest
 
OMNIVERSAL-KING said:
Isn't being bounded by time spatiotemporal feature?
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I don't understand what you mean by that. Paradox is a time-dependent character, I even remember that in the final episode of the series he could not go into the white void because there was no time there. So the existence of the Paradox depends on time. There is no need to mention Alien X, because his literally contains a universe in his body.

Celestial_Scaler25 said:
Power Nullification via transmutation and other means is still power nullification.
As stated in the Power Nullification page 'Some characters accomplish these effects through applications of other abilities rather than a standalone ability in itself'. If I were to transmutate a superhuman's DNA into normal human DNA and take away their abilities as a result it would still be power nullification.
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Paradox is that he only ignores one resistance of Alien X, and this thing is not Power Null, it only allows him to scale to the resistance that he ignores, it would be a big NLF to give him Power Null just because he ignores a resistance.
OMNIVERSAL-KING said:
Hey @Aolphl , please state your vote again (only summarized from) I am counting votes and adding them to poll
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Apologies for the late reply. Life is very complicated, I need to solve both my personal and environmental problems.

I agree with aca4, Resistance to Age Manipulation. No idea about Madness Manipulation, I agree Causality Manip especially if it is stated that "causality" can be destroyed, otherwise disagree. I fully disagree on BDE for Paradox and Alien X. And I fully disagree on "Alien X must have all abilities of verse"
OMNIVERSAL-KING said:
Alien X getting any power via Omnipotence never got rejected
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Rejected on here:
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Alien X and Celestialsapiens Additions

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No, I do not agree with bde1. The absence of space-time in the place you mentioned is not a sufficient source for bde1. On the contrary, this may also be 0-dimensionality. For bde1, you need to express a certain transcendence. That's why Alien X cannot get BDE type 1. Not accepting HDE means that you claim that the character is 0-dimensional, unlike the character. That's why HDE makes the most sense.
 
POWER NULLIFICATION is iffy.

Specify the Madness Manipulation Type he's resistant to, not just in general.

Are they immune to conventional Spatial Manipulation and Time Manipulation?

The rest seem fine.
 
Firestorm808 said:
Specify the Madness Manipulation Type he's resistant to, not just in general.
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I think it should be Type 3
3: Cognition: Those who possess this type drive others insane as a side-effect of the nature of their being, with the very act of looking at or attempting to perceive them being enough to send victims into a state of madness or terror. More extreme forms are capable of outright killing those who suffer from their effects.
Paradox resisted being insane as a result of getting his powers which would align with Madness Manipulation as a side effect of the nature of their being.
 
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Firestorm808 said:
POWER NULLIFICATION is iffy.

Specify the Madness Manipulation Type he's resistant to, not just in general.

Are they immune to conventional Spatial Manipulation and Time Manipulation?

The rest seem fine.
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Can you please explain to me whether bde type 1 is correct because it is clearly 0 dimensionality?
 
Firestorm808 said:
POWER NULLIFICATION is iffy.

Specify the Madness Manipulation Type he's resistant to, not just in general.

Are they immune to conventional Spatial Manipulation and Time Manipulation?

The rest seem fine.
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It needs to be proven that what is called a void cannot be a space, because not every void is devoid of space.
 
Firestorm808 said:
Are they immune to conventional Spatial Manipulation and Time Manipulation?
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If we go with UAF then paradox just straight up resisted time acceleration of hugo and said that he is beyond time so he can resist it . Similarly Celestialsapiens are born in a realm disconnected to fabric of existance (which consists both space and time) and is beyond them on any level so I guess they are (is this BDE ?)
Celestial also explained this with great detail
Celestial_Scaler25 said:
Paradox was completely unaffected by the CTB and it has both space and time manipulation on it's profile. And EE.
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Floxiaaa said:
Can you please explain to me whether bde type 1 is correct because it is clearly 0 dimensionality?
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Sorry bro but it's not 0D . 0D is lacking spatiotemporality and being inferior to it as well. Celestialsapiens and paradox are rather "outside of spatiotemporality" and are definitely not "inferior" to spacetime and are also independent of it ( paradox was able to resist time acceleration if Hugo on this base which obviously indicates "independence" instead of "being inferior to it)
 
Doesn't Paradox saying that he feels the eons passing from Hugo show that he is not completely immune to Time Manipulation?
 
Firestorm808 said:
So you're saying he didn't age eons because of Hugo?
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Nevermind that was a bit of a bumb apology.

In that scene it was more shown that he can feel the affects but it doesn't affect him. Like how an invulnerable being can't take damage but can still possibly feel pain.

He didn't age but rather felt time pass. I'll just reread on BDE real quick.
 
Firestorm808 said:
Doesn't Paradox saying that he feels the eons passing from Hugo show that he is not completely immune to Time Manipulation?
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Do you agree with Type 3 Madness Manipulation?
Hellformer said:
I think it should be Type 3
3: Cognition: Those who possess this type drive others insane as a side-effect of the nature of their being, with the very act of looking at or attempting to perceive them being enough to send victims into a state of madness or terror. More extreme forms are capable of outright killing those who suffer from their effects.
Paradox resisted being insane as a result of getting his powers which would align with Madness Manipulation as a side effect of the nature of their being.
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Hellformer said:
Damn do you agree with BDE type 1?
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Honestly it's kinda arguable that the Space Beyond has bde type 2 but that's based off my interpretation of the Omniversal force/ Space Beyond being the highest form of creation and timesteams being the single universes inside the Space Beyond.
 
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